[Senate Hearing 108-326] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] S. Hrg. 108-326 DOD'S IMPROPER USE OF FIRST AND BUSINESS CLASS AIRLINE TRAVEL ======================================================================= HEARING before the PERMANENT SUBCOMMITTEE ON INVESTIGATIONS of the COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS UNITED STATES SENATE ONE HUNDRED EIGHTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION __________ NOVEMBER 6, 2003 __________ Printed for the use of the Committee on Governmental Affairs 91-040 U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE WASHINGTON : 2003 ____________________________________________________________________________ For Sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512-1800; (202) 512�091800 Fax: (202) 512�092250 Mail: Stop SSOP, Washington, DC 20402�090001 COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS SUSAN M. COLLINS, Maine, Chairman TED STEVENS, Alaska JOSEPH I. LIEBERMAN, Connecticut GEORGE V. VOINOVICH, Ohio CARL LEVIN, Michigan NORM COLEMAN, Minnesota DANIEL K. AKAKA, Hawaii ARLEN SPECTER, Pennsylvania RICHARD J. DURBIN, Illinois ROBERT F. BENNETT, Utah THOMAS R. CARPER, Delaware PETER G. FITZGERALD, Illinois MARK DAYTON, Minnesota JOHN E. SUNUNU, New Hampshire FRANK LAUTENBERG, New Jersey RICHARD C. SHELBY, Alabama MARK PRYOR, Arkansas Michael D. Bopp, Staff Director and Chief Counsel Joyce Rechtschaffen, Minority Staff Director and Counsel Amy B. Newhouse, Chief Clerk ------ PERMANENT COMMITTEE ON INVESTIGATIONS NORM COLEMAN, Minnesota, Chairman TED STEVENS, Alaska CARL LEVIN, Michigan GEORGE V. VOINOVICH, Ohio DANIEL K. AKAKA, Hawaii ARLEN SPECTER, Pennsylvania RICHARD J. DURBIN, Illinois ROBERT F. BENNETT, Utah THOMAS R. CARPER, Delaware PETER G. FITZGERALD, Illinois MARK DAYTON, Minnesota JOHN E. SUNUNU, New Hampshire FRANK LAUTENBERG, New Jersey RICHARD C. SHELBY, Alabama MARK PRYOR, Arkansas Raymond V. Shepherd, III, Staff Director and Chief Counsel Elise J. Bean, Minority Staff Director and Chief Counsel Mary D. Robertson, Chief Clerk C O N T E N T S ------ Opening statements: Page Senator Coleman.............................................. 1 Senator Levin................................................ 13 WITNESSES Thursday, November 6, 2003 Hon. Charles E. Grassley, a U.S. Senator from the State of Iowa.. 5 Hon. Janice D. Schakowsky, a Representative in Congress from the State of Illinois.............................................. 10 Gregory D. Kutz, Director, Financial Management and Assurance, accompanied by John V. Kelly, Assistant Director, Financial Management and Assurance, and John J. Ryan, Assistant Director, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. General Accounting Office......................................................... 15 Hon. Charles S. Abell, Assistant Secretary of Defense (Force Management Policy), accompanied by Lawrence J. Lanzillotta, Principal Deputy Under Secretary (Comptroller), U.S. Department of Defense..................................................... 26 Alphabetical List of Witnesses Abell, Hon. Charles S.: Testimony.................................................... 26 Prepared statement........................................... 70 Grassley, Hon. Charles E.: Testimony.................................................... 5 Prepared statement........................................... 39 Kutz, Gregory D.: Testimony.................................................... 15 Prepared statement........................................... 48 Schakowsky, Hon. Janice D.: Testimony.................................................... 10 Prepared statement........................................... 44 EXHIBITS 1. GGAO Report to Congressional Requesters [The Honorable Charles E. Grassley, Chairman, Senate Committee on Finance; The Honorable Norm Coleman, Chairman, Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, Committee on Governmental Affairs; and The Honorable Janice Schakowsky, House of Representatives], TRAVEL CARDS: Internal Control Weaknesses at DOD Led to Improper Use of First and Business Class Travel, October 2003, GAO-04-88.... 72 2. GGAO Chart: Defense Premium Class Travel vs. Total Travel at Selected Departments/Agencies.................................. 122 3. GGAO Chart: Examples of Price Differences Between Premium and Coach Class Trips.............................................. 123 4. GResponses to supplemental questions for the record submitted to Charles S. Abell, Principal Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Personnel and Readiness, U.S. Department of Defense and Lawrence J. Lanzillotta, Principal Deputy Under Secretary (Comptroller), U.S. Department of Defense...................... 124 5. Materials provided for the record by Lawrence J. Lanzillotta, Principal Deputy Under Secretary (Comptroller), U.S. Department of Defense, regarding the Business Management Modernization Program........................................................ 129 DOD'S IMPROPER USE OF FIRST AND BUSINESS CLASS AIRLINE TRAVEL ---------- THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 6, 2003 U.S. Senate, Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, of the Committee on Governmental Affairs, Washington, DC. The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 2:02 p.m., in Room SD-342, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Hon. Norm Coleman, Chairman of the Subcommittee, presiding. Present: Senators Coleman, Levin, and Pryor. Staff Present: Raymond V. Shepherd, III, Staff Director and Chief Counsel; Mary D. Robertson, Chief Clerk; Kristin Meyer, Staff Assistant; Jay Jennings, Detailee, General Accounting Office; Laura Stuber, Counsel to the Minority; Gita Uppal (Senator Pryor); Patrick Hart (Senator Lieberman), and Brian McLaughlin (Senator Durbin). OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR COLEMAN Senator Coleman. This hearing of the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations is called to order. Good afternoon and welcome to today's hearing. This afternoon, we are holding this hearing to address a serious challenge to the credibility of the travel system and controls at the Department of Defense. In particular, we will focus on a system where the controls have failed, and this has led to the loss of millions of taxpayer dollars. The current system allows for abuse. It must be fixed. To paraphrase an old adage, watch the millions and the billions take care of themselves. Our goal today is to ground the so-called high flyers, those who abuse the system, and to ensure that DOD is committed to implementing long-term solutions to this costly problem. The fact is, many government employees are required by virtue of their job to travel great distances, and oftentimes, many employees are required to travel with great frequency. Our policy should not be to require those who must travel as part of their government job to do so in discomfort or extreme inconvenience. However, our policy must certainly ought not to be one that provides government employees with the type of travel conditions that the public reasonably feels are excessive in cost to the taxpayers. I am pleased today to be joined by my colleague, the esteemed Senator from Iowa, Senator Chuck Grassley, and also by Congresswoman Janice Schakowsky. Welcome. We are very pleased to have you at this hearing. Their work on travel and purchase card abuses in the Federal Government has highlighted continued abuses government-wide and has focused our attention on the need to conduct continuing Congressional oversight on these issues to ensure that they are corrected. An investigation recently completed by the General Accounting Office found that almost three-quarters of DOD's first and business class airline travel was improper. This accounts for tens of millions of taxpayer dollars inappropriately spent by DOD. In fiscal years 2001 and 2002, DOD spent almost $124 million on over 68,000 premium airline tickets. Among DOD's 28 most frequent first and business class flyers, GAO found problems with almost all of the justifications for premium class travel. This lack of accountability cannot be tolerated. Under government travel regulations, government employees are also allowed to upgrade their accommodations by using their frequent flyer miles or paying the difference themselves. Let me outline some of the most egregious and outrageous abuses of the system. A DOD employee flew first class on a round-trip ticket from Los Angeles to Washington, DC, for $3,253, compliments of the Federal Government. A coach fare for the same trip would have cost $238, a difference of $3,015. Another employee flew business class on a round-trip ticket from Washington, DC, to Taiwan for $4,319 when a coach fare ticket for the same trip would have cost $1,450, a difference of $2,869. A family of four relocated from London and Honolulu and flew first and business class nonstop at a cost to the taxpayers of $20,943. Had they simply made the effort to reduce costs and follow travel procedures, they would have saved the taxpayers $18,443. Other cases involved a traveler who took 14 trips at a cost of $88,000 to taxpayers because he inappropriately claimed that he needed to be upgraded to first class and business class because of a medical condition. In each of these and dozens of other cases, it appears that travel orders were either not authorized or not justified and premium-class tickets should not have been issued. The passage of the Travel and Transportation Reform Act of 1998 brought with it the promise of millions of dollars in Federal travel savings. These savings were to be realized through Federal employees' use of Federal travel cards that would reduce the government's administrative costs and provide rebates to Federal agencies. However, these anticipated savings will not simply materialize because we have provided Federal employees with credit cards. Realizing the full potential of these savings requires that Federal agencies and departments provide clear guidance and effective management oversight of their travel programs. The focus of today's hearing is DOD's use of premium class travel accommodations that include first and business class travel that was paid with a travel card from a centrally billed account. Over the last 2 years, Congressional hearings and reports by the General Accounting Office and the Inspector General have highlighted continuing abuses, including individuals' late or nonpayment of travel card debt and using the card to purchase personal goods and services or obtain improper cash advances. But today, we will focus the hearing on the use of premium class travel accommodations. The Department of Defense's Joint Federal Travel Regulations for military personnel and Joint Travel Regulations for civilian personnel do not prohibit the use of first and business class airline accommodations, but they do require authorization by an appropriate official and justification by the traveler. Otherwise, DOD's regulations require the use of coach class accommodations for domestic and international travel. Given the increased costs of premium class travel, DOD has very specific restrictions on the use of first and business class airline accommodations. DOD's travel regulations provide three circumstances when an employee can be authorized to travel first class and eight circumstances where an employee can be authorized to travel business class. I will have my full statement entered into the record where I walk through that. Let me just make an observation. The DOD, I understand, has clarified its regulations with regard to the use of premium travel, and I want to commend them for their prompt attention to these issues. But I want to reiterate our deep concern for the abuses that we have noted. As we begin this hearing, I want to reiterate my commitment to use this Subcommittee to find solutions to problems in government as well as use it as an opportunity to provide positive, constructive oversight. Where we find fraud and abuse, we must not only root it out, but we must fix it and stop it from occurring again. This afternoon, we will hear from representatives of the General Accounting Office on their recently completed investigation of DOD's use of premium travel that was paid from a centrally billed account. We will also hear from DOD concerning the actions it has taken or plans to take to ensure full compliance with their travel regulations. [The prepared statement of Senator Coleman follows:] PREPARED OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR COLEMAN Good afternoon and welcome to today's hearing. This afternoon we are holding this hearing to address a serious challenge to the credibility of the travel systems and controls at the Department of Defense. In particular, we will focus on a system where the controls have failed--and this has led to the loss of millions of taxpayer dollars. The current system allows for abuse. It must be fixed. To paraphrase an old adage--``watch the millions and the billions take care of themselves.'' Our goal today is to ground the high flyers who abuse the system and to ensure DOD is committed to implementing long-term solutions to this costly problem. The fact is, many government employees are required, by virtue of their job, to travel great distances--and often times, many employees are required to travel with great frequency. Our policy should not be to require those who must travel as a part of their government job to do so in discomfort or extreme inconvenience. However, our policy most certainly ought not to be one that provides government employees with the type of travel conditions that the public reasonably feels are excessive in cost to the taxpayer. I am pleased to be joined today by my colleague, the esteemed Senator from Iowa, Senator Chuck Grassley and also by Congresswoman Janice Schakowsky. Their work on travel and purchase card abuses in the Federal Government has highlighted continuing abuses government-wide and has focused our attention on the need to conduct continuing Congressional oversight on these issues to ensure that they are corrected. An investigation recently completed by the General Accounting Office found that almost three-quarter of DOD's first and business class airline travel was improper. This accounts for tens of millions of taxpayer dollars inappropriately spent by DOD. In fiscal years 2001 and 2002, DOD spent almost $124 million on over 68,000 premium airline tickets. Among DOD's 28 most frequent first and business class fliers, GAO found problems with almost all of the justifications for premium class travel. This lack of accountability cannot be tolerated. Under government travel regulations, government employees are also allowed to upgrade their accommodations by using their frequent flier miles or paying the difference themselves. Let me outline some of the most egregious and outrageous abuses of the system:A DOD employee flew first class on a round trip ticket from Los Angeles to Washington, DC, for $3,253 compliments of the Federal Government. A coach fare for the same trip would have cost $238, a difference of $3,015. Another employee flew business class on a round trip ticket from Washington, DC to Taiwan for $4,319 when a coach fare for the same trip would have cost $1,450, a difference of $2,869. A family of four relocated from London to Honolulu and flew first and business class non-stop at a cost to taxpayers of $20,943--had they simply made the effort to reduce costs and follow travel procedures, they would have saved taxpayers $18,443. Other cases involved a traveler who took 14 trips at a cost of $88,000 to taxpayers because he inappropriately claimed that he needed to be upgraded to first-class and business class because of a medical condition. In each of these and dozens of other cases it appears the travel orders were either not authorized or not justified and premium class tickets should not have been issued. The passage of the Travel and Transportation Reform Act of 1998 brought with it the promise of millions of dollars in Federal travel savings. These savings were to be realized through Federal employees mandatory use of Federal travel cards that would reduce the government's administrative costs and provide rebates to Federal agencies. However, these anticipated savings will not simply materialize because we have provided Federal employees with credit cards. Realizing the full potential of these savings requires that Federal agencies and departments provide clear guidance and effective management oversight of their travel programs. Over the last 2 years, Congressional hearings and reports by the General Accounting Office and the Inspectors General have highlighted continuing abuses including individuals' late or nonpayment of travel card debt, and using the card to purchase personal goods and services or obtain improper cash advances. The focus of today's hearing is DOD's use of premium class travel accommodations that include first and business class travel that was paid with a travel card from a centrally billed account. The Department of Defense's Joint Federal Travel Regulations, for military personnel, and Joint Travel Regulations, for civilian personnel, do not prohibit the use of first and business class airline accommodations, but they do require authorization by an appropriate official and justification by the traveler. Otherwise, DOD's regulations require the use of coach class accommodations for domestic and international travel. Given the increased cost of premium class travel, DOD has very specific restrictions on the use of first and business class airline accommodations. DOD's travel regulations provide three circumstances where an employee can be authorized to travel first class and eight circumstances where an employee can be authorized to travel business class. For example, first class accommodations are permitted if no other class is available, or if the traveler has a handicap or physical impairment that requires the use of first class accommodations and the condition is substantiated by a competent medical authority, or if there are exceptional security circumstances. These abuses occurred because effective management oversight was nonexistent and DOD's travel guidance was inadequate or contradictory. Many of the abuses we will hear about today can be traced to the lack of management oversight and a lack of familiarity with DOD's travel policies and regulations. For example, DOD's first class travel records were incomplete and there were no records at all for business class travel. Without complete records, DOD can hardly be expected to conduct effective oversight. Further, DOD has two sets of travel regulations that are augmented by DOD directives and individual service policies. The layering and multiplicity of policies and regulations have confused both travelers and officials who approve their travel. I understand that DOD has clarified its regulations with regard to the use of premium class travel and I want to commend DOD for their prompt attention to these issues. As we begin this hearing, I want to reiterate my commitment to use this Subcommittee to find solutions to problems in government--as well as use it as an opportunity to provide positive, constructive oversight. Where we find fraud and abuse, we must not only root it out, but we must fix it and stop it from occurring again. This afternoon we will hear from representatives of the General Accounting Office on their recently completed investigation of DOD's use of premium travel that was paid from a centrally billed account. We will also hear from DOD, concerning the actions it has taken or plans to take to ensure full compliance with their travel regulations. Our first witnesses will be Senator Charles Grassley and Congresswoman Janice Schakowsky to whom we are indebted for their tireless efforts to expose and correct travel and purchase card abuses. Senator Coleman. Our first witnesses will be Senator Charles Grassley and Congresswoman Janice Schakowsky, to whom we are indebted for their tireless efforts to expose and correct travel and purchase card abuses. With that, I will turn to my colleague, Senator Grassley. TESTIMONY OF HON. CHARLES E. GRASSLEY,\1\ A U.S. SENATOR FROM THE STATE OF IOWA Senator Grassley. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I am glad to be here with Representative Schakowsky, as well. First of all, thank you for that commitment you just made for the use of this Subcommittee to follow through on some of these extravagant and wasteful uses of taxpayers' money. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ The prepared statement of Senator Grassley appears in the Appendix on page 39. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think that follows on with the work that Chairman Horn did in the House over the last few years through the Government Reform Subcommittee, and now that he has retired, I am thankful that you are picking up the ball and running with it. By agreeing to hold this hearing, you are helping shine the light, the public spotlight, on the problem, and usually I find that the glare of spotlight helps bureaucrats to see the need for reform. I think it is impossible to fully appreciate the dangers of credit card explosion until you understand that internal controls in the Pentagon are broken. Over the last 15 years, I have worked hard to understand what broken controls really mean. My concerns are reinforced by the continued stream of audits issued by the GAO and the Inspector General. These reports consistently show that sloppy bookkeeping and poor internal controls leave the Department's financial resources vulnerable to theft. In 1997 and 1998, as Chairman of the Judiciary Subcommittee on Administrative Oversight, I conducted my own review of internal controls at Defense. I conducted an in-depth examination of several hundred transactions and I issued a report. I came away from that experience convinced that stealing money at the Department of Defense was a piece of cake. Fraudulent activity, if discovered, was detected by chance and not as a result of internal controls that are very necessary. This whole experience taught me one very important lesson: Good bookkeeping is the key to controlling money. If, on the one hand, your books of account are in shambles, as the Pentagon situation is, then it is easy to steal money. Money needs to be controlled at the transaction level. Unfortunately, that is exactly where the Department of Defense lost it. The Department of Defense transactions are not recorded in the books of account as they occur. Sometimes it takes days to make an entry, sometimes months, sometimes years, and sometimes a transaction never makes it into the books. That is why the Department of Defense books don't balance and that is why the Department of Defense cannot provide a satisfactory financial statement as required by the Chief Financial Officers Act. So, Mr. Chairman, these vulnerabilities are the reasons for my concern about the credit card explosion. By providing direct access to the cash, credit card transactions bypass standard controls. They make it easier to steal money. That makes the independent checkers the last and only line of defense. All the evidence that we have seen so far tells me they are asleep at the switch. A credit card explosion of this magnitude in a zero-controlled environment is a recipe for disaster. It is like leaving the doors to the bank vault wide open with no guards on duty. In the face of what I feared was an impending disaster 3 years ago, I asked the General Accounting Office to begin an in-depth examination of Defense credit card transactions. The GAO has issued at least six separate reports. The audit and investigative work done by the General Accounting Office I think is very first rate. The reports provide an unending litany of horror stories. The abuse documented by the GAO was disgraceful. Since our first hearing on July 30, 2001, however, I feel like there has been a modest improvement. I don't know if it is accurate to say that the Department of Defense has turned the corner, but things are better I am told. For starters, the bank and the Department of Defense agreed in October 2001 to initiate a salary offset program. Another important development involves the new Department of Defense Inspector General, Joe Schmitz. When we began our review, the Department of Defense IG was AWOL on credit card use. Under Joe Schmitz, that is changing. He has placed an Army Colonel by the name of Bill Kelly in charge of an aggressive data mining operation to help search transaction records and identify suspicious purchases. Colonel Kelly's data mining operation is helping apprehend criminals and sending them to jail. So this is a good beginning. Once the cardholders know and understand that their transactions could be under surveillance, the abuse will come to a halt. Last year, Senator Byrd and I teamed up on a credit card amendment on the Defense appropriations bill. Our amendment did several things. It put a lid on the total number of cards at 1.5 million. It made credit checks mandatory. It required disciplinary action for abuse and prohibited the use of credit cards in places like Bottoms Up Lounge and gambling casinos. Drawing on my experience and the experience of the GAO and agency IGs, I recently introduced legislation that requires all Federal agencies to put in place specific safeguards and internal controls. Mr. Chairman, I believe that mandatory credit reporting is critical to curbing abuse. The checkers and overseers must also be minding the store to make sure that all charges are legitimate. That brings us to the subject of today's hearing, the General Accounting Office's latest report on defense travel card abuse. In the last 2 years, the General Accounting Office reports that DOD employees charged $124 million on centrally- billed travel card accounts to buy 68,000 premium class airline tickets. The General Accounting Office estimates that 72 percent of the Department of Defense personnel who flew premium class on the taxpayer's dime didn't even have proper authorization to do it, much less a valid justification for why they needed to fly premium class. Premium class travel is considered permissible for those personnel only in certain limited circumstances, for instance, if it is necessary because of a traveler's disability, coach class accommodations are not available, or the travel is to an overseas destination and at least 14 hours long. According to the government-wide and DOD regulations, a traveler must get specific authorization to use premium class travel, and a premium class ticket should not be issued unless it is properly authorized. Unfortunately, the large majority of the time, the tickets are issued and billed to the Department of Defense travel card account with no questions asked. So how was this allowed to happen? The General Accounting Office found that DOD performed no monitoring or oversight activities to make sure that premium class travel was authorized according to regulation. In fact, the Department of Defense does not even maintain a central accounting of premium class travel so it did not even have the basic data necessary for monitoring and oversight. In order to conduct this oversight investigation, the General Accounting Office collected data directly from the Bank of America and started from scratch. The General Accounting Office also found that higher- ranking civilian and military officials accounted for a large part of the premium class travel. In fact, the General Accounting Office considers travel by high-ranking officials to be a sensitive payment area because of its susceptibility for abuse and non-compliance with the law. Apparently, some high- ranking bureaucrats feel they are entitled to luxury air travel. We have got people who are supposed to be public servants stretching their legs with hot towels and a cocktail, even if it costs the taxpayers thousands of dollars more. The General Accounting Office discovered through data mining that a GS-14 relocated his family of four from London to Honolulu, flying first and business class at a cost of $20,943, despite the fact that the travel order did not authorize premium class travel. The General Accounting Office estimated that a coach fare for the same trip would have cost $2,500, so a waste of $18,000. Using statistical sampling and data mining, GAO found other examples--a GS-15 who flew first class without authorization, costing $3,200, while a coach ticket was $238; an officer who flew business class without authorization for $1,300 when it could have cost $672; another GS-15 whose $4,500 business class ticket was authorized but not properly justified, costing the taxpayers $3,955 over a coach ticket. The General Accounting Office also identified a number of high-ranking officials who repeatedly used premium class travel without proper authorization, including Presidential appointees requiring Senate confirmation. One example that I find particularly telling has to do with 15 trips made by Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Policy J.D. Crouch at a cost of $70,000. While some of these flights were authorized, the justification given was that premium class travel was mission essential so that he could be ready for meetings upon arrival. However, Department of Defense regulations do not list this as a proper basis for that type of travel. According to a summary on page 19 of the report, Mr. Crouch's assistant told the General Accounting Office that he flies premium class travel to minimize time away from the office. Yet, his assistant could not demonstrate overall cost savings by lost productivity. Mr. Crouch's assistant also apparently told the General Accounting Office that even though the flights did not exceed the 14 hours necessary to justify that type of travel, Mr. Crouch should be able to fly premium class because of the importance of his work. Although these are the words of Mr. Crouch's assistant and not Mr. Crouch himself, this attitude is disturbing and helps to shed some light on the reason why improper premium class travel is especially prevalent among high-ranking officials. I don't mean to pick on him. He is not the only Presidential appointee involved in this type of problem. Mr. Stenbit, the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Command, Control, Communications, and Intelligence is also described on pages 20 and 21 of the report as having taken 17 premium class flights at the cost of $68,000, as compared with the estimated $17,000 had he flied coach. Mr. Stenbit's justification was based on an unspecified medical condition but no documentation. While the General Accounting Office review of the records indicate that no effort was made to accommodate Mr. Stenbit's needs in a coach seat for these 17 flights, he apparently flew coach at other times. Also, his travel was approved by a subordinate, which is essentially the same as not being approved. In this case, the aide who made the reservations stated that she will seek approval of the Deputy Secretary in the future for first class travel and only schedule Mr. Stenbit for premium class travel when less-expensive alternatives are not available. These are just examples. Of 44,000 premium class travelers, the General Accounting Office reviewed transactions by only 177 individuals, nine of whom were political appointees. So, Mr. Chairman, leaders must lead by example. If the highest-ranking officials don't feel they need to comply with regulations, what kind of message does that send? No wonder no one in the Department of Defense seemed to notice or care that 74 percent of the premium class travel was not authorized. There is no leadership at the top. Mr. Chairman, the General Accounting Office has made a number of excellent recommendations to the Department of Defense about how to get its house in order, but unless the Department of Defense gets serious about internal controls and enforcement of its own regulations, we will continue to find this sort of waste. Every time we peel back another layer of abuse, we find another just below it. While the Department of Defense has started to fix some of the problems revealed to date with purchase cards and travel cards, I see no sign that the Department of Defense has made a concerted effort to implement a positive control environment throughout the Department. The Department of Defense shouldn't wait for Chuck Grassley or Representative Schakowsky or Chairman Coleman or the General Accounting Office to undercover instances of waste, fraud, and abuse and tell them what needs to be fixed. Make no mistake about it, I intend to keep digging, but I look forward to the day when I find nothing to report. Thank you. Senator Coleman. Thank you, Senator Grassley. Senator Grassley, I know that you are involved in some Conference Committees and some delicate negotiation. I am not sure what your timing is. What I would like to do, if I can, is just ask you one question and then turn to Congresswoman Schakowsky. I understand that you may have to leave. First, I do want to thank both of you for your dogged determination in looking after taxpayer dollars and dealing with these issues. You noted, Senator Grassley, that the GAO has made a number of excellent recommendations to address this. I believe that the bill that you have authored, S. 1744, the Credit Card Abuse Prevention Act, covers many of these recommendations. But in the review that we have done in preparation for this hearing, we have noted that centrally billed accounts are not presently included in the definition of travel cards as it appears in the bill. Many of the abuses today focus on centrally billed accounts, so I would simply ask if you would be willing to work with this Subcommittee and work with this Chairman and others on the Subcommittee to have a more expansive definition so that we eventually cover some of the abuses that we are talking about today. Senator Grassley. The answer is absolutely yes with only this explanation of why it wasn't included, and that is because we are looking for another General Accounting Office report before we went that far. But if you know what to do and exactly what to do, or maybe by the time we get to that point it will be out. The obvious answer is, yes. I want to do whatever it takes, first, to get the bill out of committee, and second, to solve this problem, and I find it very comfortable working with the two of you and probably most everybody on this Subcommittee. Senator Coleman. Thank you very much, Senator Grassley. Senator Levin, do you have any questions before Senator Grassley leaves? Senator Levin. Yes. I understand that Senator Grassley has to leave. Let me just first of all commend him. I don't know of any tougher, stronger watchdog in the Senate than Senator Grassley. It has been a pleasure to work with him on a number of issues. Its always a great pleasure to hear from him and his persistence in going after waste, fraud, and abuse, wherever it is, whatever the Administration is, whatever year it takes place. He has been consistent and I admire him. Senator Grassley. Thank you. Those are kind words. I appreciate it. Senator Coleman. Thank you, Senator Levin. Thank you, Senator Grassley. Congresswoman Schakowsky. TESTIMONY OF HON. JANICE D. SCHAKOWSKY,\1\ A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF ILLINOIS Ms. Schakowsky. Thank you, Chairman Coleman and Senator Levin. Before you leave, Senator, I want to thank you for your leadership and I want to associate myself with all of your remarks. We have worked together on a number of investigations. I appreciate that and hope that we can continue to do so. So thank you very much for your work. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ The prepared statement of Ms. Schakowsky appears in the Appendix on page 44. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Senator Grassley. Thank you. Ms. Schakowsky. I really appreciate the opportunity to testify before you today. I want to also acknowledge my former colleague, Representative Steve Horn, with whom I worked on issues of waste and abuse during the 107th Congress. Congressman Horn was a strong advocate of rooting out waste wherever it was found and it was a pleasure to work with him as the Ranking Democrat on his Subcommittee. I also want to thank the General Accounting Office and its investigators who diligently perform an essential service for U.S. taxpayers by bringing to light abuses like those we are talking about today. Before I talk about the specifics of today's report or the history of how we got here, I want to put the issue of DOD's financial mismanagement in a broader context. Of about $7 trillion in accounting entries at the Pentagon, at least 1.2 trillion--that is trillion with a ``T''--were not supported by sufficient evidence to determine their validity. That is about 20 percent of all dollars at DOD and transactions. DOD cannot locate hundreds of billions of dollars worth of military equipment, including weapons systems. It lacks a complete and reliable inventory of its environmental liabilities. In the case of some equipment, Kevlar body armor for our troops in Iraq, for example, DOD does not have enough supplies, while inventory for other items exceed the Pentagon's need by about $30 billion. DOD overpays contractors at the rate of about $1 billion a year, and that only counts what is eventually returned to the government. There may well be another $1 billion in overpayments each year that aren't caught. If DOD were a private corporation, it would already be bankrupt or the management of the Department would be fired or under investigation. To stop the culture of waste, fraud, and abuse at the Defense Department, we need a fundamental change. Today's report on premium class travel is just one part of a much larger problem. For years, the Federal Government has been unable to balance its books and the single largest cause for this is financial mismanagement at the Department of Defense. DOD has an enormous budget. It accounts for about half of all the discretionary spending, and despite its horrific record of waste, fraud, and abuse, DOD's budget grows every year. Until the Department of Defense can pass a financial audit and balance its books, and all signs suggest that won't happen for years, we won't be able to balance the books for the entire Federal Government. This is the sixth hearing I have attended on government credit cards alone. Every time we ask the GAO to shed light on any aspect of DOD's financial management, scandalous abuses are uncovered. A couple of examples. At the Naval Space Wars Research Laboratory, we found serious abuse of government purchase cards. Employees were buying Palm Pilots, Coach briefcases, Luis Vuitton bags for themselves, all at government expense. There was little accountability and the government paid all the bills. The commander of the laboratory tried to defend these purchases. Much of what had been purchased couldn't be found when GAO went looking for it. It was the Navy's policy, we were told, not to inventory items that were easily stolen. At another installation, the cardholder was also the approving official and paid the bills. At another installation, the cardholder bought gift certificates for family members using a government purchase card but was never held accountable. Senator Grassley highlighted this case in one of his many testimonies before the Government Efficiency Subcommittee. Working with Chairman Shays on the Government Reform National Security Subcommittee, we found that the Defense Department was selling chemical and biological protection suits on the Internet for just $2 or $3. At the same time, the Department was purchasing these suits for $300 apiece. Recently, GAO testified that over the Internet, one could buy all of the equipment needed to set up a lab to produce biological weapons from the Defense Department. This equipment was purchased in new or virtually new condition for pennies on the dollar. We looked at the travel card program and discovered that agencies were losing hundreds of thousands of dollars in rebates because military employees were defaulting on payments owed to credit card companies. We saw no accountability. One officer was promoted, despite the fact that he had defaulted on thousands of dollars for which he was reimbursed by the government. Today, the GAO will testify to the abuse of yet another system by DOD employees. Senior officials, some of them Presidential appointees, are taking advantage of their position and wasting taxpayer dollars, flying premium class in violation of the rules. At the same time, enlisted military personnel returning from Iraq during their brief 2-week break from the war have had to pay their own transportation within the United States. Were it not for the fact that Congress intervened, those patriot soldiers would still have to pay their own way to see loved ones before returning to combat in Iraq. GAO found widespread abuses of premium class travel. Of the almost $124 million the DOD spends on about 68,000 premium class flights during fiscal years 2001 and 2002, 72 percent was not properly authorized and 73 percent was not properly justified. That is close to $90 million in misused taxpayer dollars for close to 50,000 flights, and while $124 million is not even a rounding error at DOD, that number is still greater than the total travel and transportation expenses spent by 12 other major agencies combined, including Social Security Administration, DOE, Education, NASA, HUD, and others. As we have seen on other investigations, there was little or no management oversight. DOD could not even count the number of premium class flights, had no idea of the cost to the government for these flights. As you listen to GAO's testimony, you will hear again and again that DOD did not have adequate internal controls. I expect we will also hear today from the Defense Department that they have put procedures in place to end the abuse of premium class travel. We have heard that same thing about the purchase cards and about other travel cards. When DOD heard about our investigation into the chem bio suits, they sent out a notice to stop those sales. When they learned of the laboratory equipment problems, senior DOD officials tried to get the GAO report classified. Then they told the remainder of the companies to stop selling the laboratory instruments. The problem at DOD is indeed much larger than today's discussion. The problem is that the leadership of the Department of Defense has acted to stop abuses only when it becomes public, and then only addresses the specific case at hand. The purchase card abuses were widespread when we did our first investigation at the Space Warfare Laboratory. However, the Department did nothing to address this widespread abuse until our investigation began to uncover problems everywhere. And there is no real reason to believe that any action announced by DOD today is anything more than a band-aid. To address this issue in a more fundamental way, I plan to introduce legislation that will prevent the Defense Department from receiving budget increases unless and until it can balance its books. Congress will, of course, always give our troops what they need. But if we want to force DOD to clean up its act, Congress has to take serious and comprehensive action. If not, we are going to spend years offering piecemeal solutions and reading countless GAO reports with similar conclusions while the entire Federal Government and taxpayers continue to pay the price. The irony is that these problems are occurring at the Department of Defense, an institution that places a premium on discipline, the chain of command, and accountability. That makes the culture of waste, fraud, and abuse that seems to permeate all aspects of DOD's fiscal operations all the more intolerable. This has to stop. It is unfair to our soldiers and certainly to our U.S. taxpayers. It is not enough to punish only those who abuse the system. Until we force DOD's managers to make the system-wide reforms that will end this culture of waste, fraud, and abuse, I believe that it will persist. I thank you both. Senator Coleman. Thank you, Congresswoman Schakowsky. Again, thank you for your efforts in this area. I want to thank you for putting today's hearings in the context of a larger set of issues. We can't look at this as if, OK, here is what we have today and forget that there was a yesterday and we would like to make sure there is not a tomorrow. And then this last observation. I had the pleasure of being the Senate author of the provision to provide payment for our military personnel coming home from Iraq so they could get from Baltimore to St. Paul, or get from Baltimore to Omaha. Ms. Schakowsky. Thank you very much. Senator Coleman. As we were working on that provision, I was struck with the irony and I was angered that on the one hand we have situations of folks living the high life, flying first class, and then we have got grunts trying to figure out a way to see their wives or moms and dads or sons and daughters. So I again want to thank you for fighting the fight here and for your work. Senator Levin. Senator Levin. I thank the Congresswoman. Say hi to my brother. [Laughter.] Senator Coleman. Thank you very much, Congresswoman. Before we introduce the next panel, I would turn to the distinguished Ranking Member, Senator Levin, for any opening remarks that he may have. OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR LEVIN Senator Levin. Mr. Chairman, thank you and thank you for your determined leadership in this area and so many other areas that come within the oversight responsibility of this Subcommittee. You have taken on this Chairmanship with gusto and I commend you for it. As you pointed out, and I think both our witnesses so far have pointed out, Mr. Chairman, the weaknesses that we will see today in the DOD systems for authorizing travel are symptomatic of broader management shortcomings that we have seen to be pervasive in the Department of Defense financial management system for so long. Just in the last couple months, we have received two reports from the DOD Inspector General, one documenting the failure of management controls for the purchase card program by Washington headquarters services, and the other Inspector General's report documenting the failure of management controls over DOD transit subsidies in the National Capital Region. And because of these ongoing shortcomings in the Department of Defense's financial management systems, it can take more than 100 paper transactions in the contracting and disbursing systems for the Department of Defense to make a single contract payment. Because of these shortcomings, the Department of Defense's working capital funds operate on the basis of arbitrary prices that lead to perpetual problems in making the books balance. Because of these shortcomings, the Department cannot reliably account for the cost of performing work in- house for the purposes of OMB Circular A-76. Because of these shortcomings, DOD managers often have to set up separate tracking systems of their own with varying degrees of success to manage funds, to ensure that they have adequate financial reserves, and to avoid Anti-Deficiency Act violations. What today's hearing shows is that even in those cases where the Department's financial management systems are capable of producing useful data, it doesn't do any good if nobody is paying attention. According to the GAO report, the Department of Defense and the military services did not, one, obtain or maintain centralized management data on the extent to which military and civilian personnel used premium class accommodations for their travel; two, issue adequate policies relating to the approval of premium class; and three, require consistent justification to justify premium class. So at a time when top Department of Defense officials are insisting that they need unprecedented new flexibility to manage the resources allocated to the Department, it is disturbing to see the continual shortcomings in the exercise of the management responsibility that they already have. Again, Mr. Chairman, thank you for your leadership and for your convening this hearing on a very significant subject, which again, as you point out, is really symbolic and symptomatic of a deeper problem. Senator Coleman. Thank you, Senator Levin. It is always a pleasure to work with you in a nonpartisan way and a bipartisan way on issues such as this. I would now like to welcome our next panel to today's important hearing: Gregory Kutz, a Director with the Financial Management and Assurance Team at the General Accounting Office; John Kelly, an Assistant Director with the Financial Management and Assurance Team at GAO; and finally, John Ryan, an Assistant Director in the Office of Special Investigations at GAO. As I mentioned in my opening statement this morning, GAO is here to release the results of the GAO's investigation of the Department of Defense's use and monitoring of premium airline travel during the fiscal years 2001 and 2002. The purpose of this hearing is to identify the types of abuse that you uncovered, discuss the causes, determine the magnitude of the problem and identify what corrective action is taken. I believe it is essential for us to monitor the utilization of both government-issued travel cards and centrally billed accounts to ensure that expected cost savings are realized. I thank you again for your attendance at today's important hearing. I understand that Mr. Kutz will testify but that the other gentlemen will be here in a supporting capacity and may have something to say. As such, before we begin, pursuant to Rule 6, all witnesses who testify before the Subcommittee are required to be sworn. At this time, I would ask you to please stand and raise your right hand. Do you swear that the testimony you are about to give before the Subcommittee will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you, God? Mr. Kutz. I do. Mr. Kelly. I do. Mr. Ryan. I do. Senator Coleman. We will use a monitoring system today and I would ask that you limit your oral testimony to no more than 10 minutes. If your testimony goes beyond that, the written testimony will be entered as part of the record. Mr. Kutz, I believe you will be presenting the GAO's statement this afternoon. You may proceed. TESTIMONY OF GREGORY D. KUTZ,\1\ DIRECTOR, FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT AND ASSURANCE TEAM, ACCOMPANIED BY JOHN V. KELLY, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT AND ASSURANCE TEAM, AND JOHN J. RYAN, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS, U.S. GENERAL ACCOUNTING OFFICE Mr. Kutz. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have testified after Senator Grassley several times and that is a hard act to follow, so bear with me. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ The prepared statement of Mr. Kutz appears in the Appendix on page 48. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- But thank you for the opportunity to be here to discuss our audit of premium class travel at the Department of Defense.\2\ This is a continuation of our series of audits of DOD's $10 billion credit card programs. Today, we will discuss the use of the centrally billed travel accounts to purchase premium class airline tickets. As you mentioned before, first and business class tickets are referred to as premium class. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \2\ See Exhibit No. 1 which appears in the Appendix on page 72. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The bottom line of my testimony is that control breakdowns resulted in significant improper premium class travel and increased cost to taxpayers. These results provide another example of why DOD financial management is on our list of high- risk areas, highly vulnerable to fraud, waste, and abuse. My testimony has three parts: First, the extent of premium class travel; second, examples of improper travel; and third, the key causes of the control breakdowns. First, based on extensive analysis of Bank of America data, we found the following for fiscal year 2001 and 2002. One- hundred-and-twenty-four million dollars was spent on 68,000 premium class airline tickets by 44,000 individuals. Premium travel represents a very small percentage of DOD's annual travel budget of $5 billion. However, premium travel at DOD is more than the entire travel budget of 12 Federal agencies. Specifically, as shown on the posterboard and the monitor, the $124 million DOD spent on premium travel was more than Labor, NASA, SSA, Energy, and EPA spent on all travel for 2001 and 2002.\3\ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \3\ See Exhibit No. 2 which appears in the Appendix on page 122. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Based on our statistical sample, we estimate that about 50 percent of premium travel related to senior military and civilian personnel. In addition, 27 of the 28 most frequent premium class travelers were senior personnel. As Senator Grassley noted, we consider travel by high-ranking officials to be a sensitive payment area that is vulnerable to abuse. The price difference between a premium ticket and coach ticket is generally substantial. The poster board and monitor show some examples of these price differences.\4\ For these examples, premium tickets cost as much as 13 times more than a comparable coach ticket. And as you mentioned, Mr. Chairman, the cost of this trip from Los Angeles to Washington, DC, cost $3,000 more than a coach ticket. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \4\ See Exhibit No. 3 which appears in the Appendix on page 123. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- We also identified numerous cases of improper and questionable travel, including the following. Six individuals flew premium class to a 2-day conference in Moscow, with stops in London, Brussels, and Paris. The travel order used ``mission essential'' as justification, but we found no evidence that this conference was mission essential. We also found a number of trips with questionable medical condition justification. For example, one individual took 14 premium class trips using a medical condition as justification. During the same time frame and for trips of similar duration, this individual also took 31 coach class trips. One General took 16 premium class trips that were approved by a subordinate. Allowing subordinates in the military chain of command to approve travel is not a valid control. We also found cases where individuals approved their own travel, including a GS-15 with 11 premium class trips. Self- approval of any travel is not a valid control. GSA and DOD regulations state that government travelers must exercise the same standard of care when spending taxpayer dollars that they would when spending their own money. We found that many of the premium tickets that we audited and investigated did not meet that standard. Third, based on our statistical sample, we estimate that 72 percent of DOD premium class travel was not properly authorized and justified. Part of the problem was that the commercial travel offices did not properly scrutinize the requests for premium class tickets. We found that 64 percent of the tickets in our sample did not have specific premium authorization and thus should not have been issued. Further, DOD did not have accurate data on the extent of premium travel and did little or no monitoring of this travel. As a result, DOD was not aware of the extent of improper premium travel until they saw the results of our audit. In addition, DOD's required reports to GSA on the extent of first class travel were inaccurate. We also found that DOD's policies were inconsistent with government-wide travel regulations and did not specify how to properly document authorization and justification of transactions. In addition, the proliferation of internal DOD policies caused confusion over the appropriate circumstances for premium travel. As a result of our audit, DOD has begun updating its travel regulations to more clearly articulate the circumstances under which premium travel is authorized. The updated regulations emphasize that premium travel must only be used when exceptional circumstances warrant the additional cost. DOD should build on these improvements and establish strong controls over this sensitive area to ensure that its travel dollars are spent efficiently. To that end, we have issued a report with 16 recommendations to the Secretary of Defense aimed at reducing improper travel. DOD has concurred with all of our recommendations. In conclusion, DOD does not have the management controls in place to identify issues, such as improper premium travel. Secretary Rumsfeld has stated that successful business process reform could save DOD up to 5 percent of its budget, or over $20 billion annually. The millions of dollars of wasteful spending described today are a small example of those potential savings. Oversight hearings, like the one today, are a critical component to successful reform at DOD. In addition, high-level management focus will be needed to end the improper use of premium travel at DOD. Mr. Chairman, this ends my statement. Special Agent Ryan, Mr. Kelly, and I will be happy to answer questions. Senator Coleman. Thank you very much, Mr. Kutz. First, just a couple of background questions. When we are talking about premium travel here, does that at all relate to-- what about folks who have frequent flyer miles and use them to upgrade? Is that part of this process at all? Mr. Kutz. No, that would not. Premium travel as part of our report would have been only when the government paid for premium travel. It is appropriate for people to use frequent flyer miles now. Senator Coleman. And premium travel includes both first class and business class, is that correct? Mr. Kutz. Correct. Senator Coleman. There is very little difference between first and business class? Mr. Kutz. Sometimes they are the same. Senator Coleman. I believe in going through my notes on this that there has not been the same level of documentation within the DOD for business class. Was that a definitional issue? Can you shed some insight onto the difference in terms of tracking between first class and business class? Mr. Kutz. They were required by GSA policy to report annually on first class travel and GSA rolls that up for all the agencies in the Federal Government and reports that to the Congress. As I mentioned in my opening statement, that report understated the extent of first class travel. Senator Coleman. First class. Mr. Kutz. They had no information on business class travel, and what we had to do to get that information, as I believe Senator Grassley noted in his opening statement, was use data mining to go in, and when you go into the database and you look at a ticket number, there are certain characteristics in a ticket number that tell you whether it is first or business class. And so we were able to go in and get what is called Level 3 data from Bank of America and extract that information. Senator Coleman. And what percentage of premium travel was first class versus what was business class? Mr. Kutz. It was virtually all business class. There were about 1,240, I believe, first class trips, and the other 66,000-plus were business class trips. Senator Coleman. So I take it you would be very supportive of OMB and GSA requiring annual reporting of all premium travel, first class and business class, from here on in? Mr. Kutz. Yes, that would be a good idea. Senator Coleman. Thank you. You indicated in your testimony that DOD wasn't aware. I am trying to understand what that means. Who wasn't aware? If the practice is widespread, if it has gone on, help me understand what it means not to be aware. Was it not to be aware because it wasn't reported? Was it not to be aware because folks just didn't have the data? Is there a sense that there is kind of a problem in the culture here that simply has allowed this and hasn't addressed it? Can you give me your insight into that? Mr. Kutz. Yes. There are cultural issues, because I think there were some--there are some folks that probably did this not knowing the rules. Others probably felt they had or deserved to have the travel. But this is an issue we see across the board with DOD. There are issues of overall monitoring and the control environment, and here, it was a matter of not having the data and having three separate organizations. I think you can ask the next panel about who is going to be in charge going forward. But no one was in charge, but three groups were in charge. So at the end of the day, there was really no oversight. Again, the three groups have some culpability in that. Senator Coleman. I want to get back to the difference in handling first class, which was really a very small percentage of the travel, which had the reporting requirements, which had the rules, which I believe, as I understand it, had an approval process requiring it being approved by---- Mr. Kutz. The Secretary or the designee of the Secretary. Senator Coleman. So we are talking about a very high-level person approving first class. Mr. Kutz. That is the government-wide requirement, yes. Senator Coleman. But in terms of business class, I believe in your testimony you talked about instances where subordinates were approving travel for superiors. Would I take it then to understand that in business class, there is not a clear, uniform directive that says it has to be done by somebody at a higher level? Mr. Kutz. That was correct. Senator Coleman. And is there---- Mr. Kutz. Now, whether they have revised that or not, I don't know, but there was varying practices for business class travel. Senator Coleman. My next question would be, do you know whether that has been corrected? Mr. Kelly. To the best of our knowledge, we don't know if that has been corrected yet. Senator Coleman. And would you be willing to offer a recommendation as to some uniform standard? Mr. Kutz. Right. Senator Coleman. Can we do that, or is it the nature of the military that you may have somebody on site somewhere and not have somebody at that rank? Can you help me understand---- Mr. Kutz. Yes. Senator Coleman [continuing]. How we ensure the common sense thing, which is if you are going to get approval for this, it should be done by somebody at a higher level. Mr. Kutz. Our recommendation was that the approval should be done by someone at the same level or, preferably, a higher level, and they have concurred with that recommendation. So my belief would be that they have gone in and changed the policy. There are two things, though. There is writing a policy and there is actually enforcing the policy, and that second part here--in some cases, what we found, that there were policies in place and people weren't following them. So they have to have two things. They have to have the valid policies and they are going to have to have an accountability mechanism in place to make sure that even if they put a good policy in there for approval, that it is being consistently followed. Senator Coleman. I just want to clear up something statistically. At one point in your testimony, you talked about 72 percent not properly authorized, and then you used a 64 percent figure. Mr. Kutz. The 64 percent represent--out of the 72, 64 percent had no specific documentation in the packages that went to the commercial travel office that said that they were for premium class travel, which means that someone had to have called the travel office and said, please get me a business or first class ticket, and the travel office issued it without following the appropriate policies and having the documentation. Senator Coleman. Much of this report is based on sampling. Critics may come back and say, well, you took a very small sample and they may then, therefore, challenge the results. Can you talk to me a little bit about your statistical method, your confidence in the validity of what we found? Mr. Kutz. Right. Yes, we used statistical sampling when we test internal controls and our confidence level, we are 95 percent confident that the failure rate is 72 percent, plus or minus 5 or 10 percent. I don't know the specific details. So we are 95 percent confident that the failure rate or the breakdown in controls is between probably 65 and 75 percent. Senator Coleman. I am trying to put myself in the position of some folks in DOD and kind of looking and trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. In your opinion, are the travel regulations themselves simple enough for people to understand, or is there a claim here that somehow there was confusion and there was a lack of clarity in terms of what is required? Can you help me out with your assessment of the nature of the regulations here? Mr. Kutz. There was a proliferation of policies out there that--a lot of times in DOD, you have got policies at the Office of the Secretary of Defense level and then each of the services will develop their own and even units within the military services will have their own policies. And here, we found that there are lots of policies out there, some inconsistent with each other, and some inconsistent with GSA's government-wide regulations. Senator Coleman. But I want to get back to the culture question. Both in listening to the statements by Senator Grassley and Congresswoman Schakowsky, I get a sense that there is a cultural problem here, that common sense would dictate you save taxpayers' money. That is what we are supposed to do. You want people to fly in comfort, you don't want them to be abused, but common sense says if you can fly somewhere for coach class, you do that rather than presume, because you are a high-ranking official, you are going to automatically fly first class. I guess I want to come back to that. Can we clean the system up? Can we take an agency as diverse, as large as the DOD--in your experience in the GAO, can we put into place some clear standards here and have the confidence level, as representatives of the taxpayers, that they can be enforced? Mr. Kutz. I would say yes. With respect to the prior work we did on credit cards, there has been significant progress in improving the controls over the purchase and the individually billed travel card. For example, the delinquency rates were well over 10 percent when we first started doing our work on the individually billed travel card, and my understanding is now that they are well below 10 percent. So DOD can make progress. These are issues that don't require new business systems, which is a whole other matter we will probably get into here. But this is pretty much people and policies and procedures and implementing them. And the interesting thing about the culture is that 50 percent of the people who took this travel were senior, but the other 50 percent were very junior, and that is almost as surprising to me as the senior people actually taking that travel. Senator Coleman. But to me, it says you are building a cul- ture---- Mr. Kutz. Yes, you build a culture, and unless you intervene---- Senator Coleman [continuing]. Some people would change. Mr. Kutz [continuing]. They are setting a bad example for other people, probably, and they were following it. Senator Coleman. Well, I do hope they can change. We will expect change. We will monitor to see that change is taking place and this is just not an exercise in you doing a report and us having a hearing. We do expect things to change. My distinguished Ranking Member, Senator Levin. Senator Levin. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just to clarify a couple of the points on this business class-first class, you said there were 66,000 business class purchases, I think that was the figure---- Mr. Kutz. A little over 66,000 and then about 1,200 first class, yes. Senator Levin. Do we assume that where there were 66,000 business class that most of those were the top class that was available, or do we know what percentage where business class was purchased that there was even a higher-cost ticket, the first class ticket? Mr. Kelly. We do not have that information. It is not collected. Senator Levin. You, at one point, said that the regulations are not clear in some instances between the services, within the services. Do we know in what percentage of the cases that you looked at there was a violation of the regulation? Mr. Kutz. Of the current DOD or government-wide regulations? Senator Levin. Or of the unit regulations or service regulations. Mr. Kutz. Well, certainly the 64 percent I mentioned that had no specific documentation justifying the premium would have been a violation of policy. The policy was that premium travel required specific authorization and documentation. Senator Levin. And that is true across the board---- Mr. Kutz. Across the board. Senator Levin [continuing]. Every unit, every service, period? Mr. Kelly. Yes. That is a requirement. Senator Levin. On the justification side, on giving the reasons, the justifications, what percentage was there of that lacking? Mr. Kutz. That would have been virtually all of them, also. Senator Levin. The same---- Mr. Kutz. Yes, I would say the same, because nothing is justified unless it is authorized, first of all. The way the rules work is that even if you meet the criteria for business or first class, a lot of agencies don't allow their people to do it because they have travel constraints and they try to save the money for their budget. So it isn't an entitlement. You still have to have someone make the justification to say, we are willing to pay four or five times more for a ticket for you because you meet these criteria. So it is not really an entitlement. It is something that still needs authorization. Senator Levin. So you can say with certainty what that percentage is from your sample, even though you are saying that there is a discord in the regulations between units, between services. In that regard, there is a clarity as to what is required and a clear percentage of what was not done according to regulation. Mr. Kutz. I would say over half of the problem here was people not following valid policies, and then the rest of it was where the policies need to be tightened up. So I think it is a combination of both. I am not sure we can precisely identify which is which, but over half of it was where there were policies in place and people were not following them, and there is no accountability system to ensure that people were doing what they were supposed to. Senator Levin. Can you compare the Department of Defense in this regard with other agencies in terms of the percentage of times in which the policies or regulations were not followed? Mr. Kutz. No, but Mr. Ryan has some information he could share on the practices of several other agencies. Senator Levin. Is this typical of agencies? Does it exceed the percentage of other agencies in terms of failure to document? Where are we on a relative basis? Mr. Kutz. Well, when we looked at the purchase card program, we found that DOD in some cases was the worst in the government. In other cases, they were similar to others, like the delinquency rates. But with respect to premium, we have not gone out and done other studies of this at other agencies, except Mr. Ryan has talked to some agencies. I will let him answer. Mr. Ryan. Basically, what we tried to do is to contact the security details that were for the head of the agencies to try to find out what the secretaries were doing or the agencies. It was kind of like they told us that they try to follow all the GSA rules and regulations and the secretaries, according to the protective details, will travel coach. If they want to move up, they use their own miles. And they are saying that--the details say that is the practice that they have. Mr. Kutz. So we didn't go below that. Mr. Ryan. Right. Mr. Kutz. We thought if we were at the Secretary level, that would have trickled down within the agencies. Senator Levin. Congresswoman Schakowsky was interested in this area and I think the rest of us would be, too. The report does not give a dollar amount as to the savings that could have been achieved had the waste not occurred. However, according to Congresswoman Schakowsky's office, I understand there is some evidence that could produce a number in that regard. Are you able to give us a range of dollars that could have been saved? Mr. Kutz. Yes. We believe it is tens of millions of dollars a year, and I would say between $10 and $30 million would be a good estimate, because we are talking about 70 percent of $124 million, and if you kind of trickle that down to an annual savings, and you assume some of it might have been valid had someone gone through and done the right documentation, I would say $10 to $20 to $30 million a year. Senator Levin. Now, on the broader financial management issues which we indicated are a backdrop for this problem and you thought you might be asked about, so here goes. Section 1004 of last year's Defense Authorization Act required the Department to establish by no later than May 1 of this year a financial management enterprise architecture for the Department of Defense and a transition plan for implementing that enterprise architecture. That requirement was consistent with commitments that had previously been made by senior Department of Defense officials. The GAO was required to follow up and determine whether or not the Department complied with the requirement. Your report, which was issued in September, concludes that, ``DOD's initial architecture does not yet adequately address the Act's requirements and other relevant architectural requirements,'' and I would like to ask you some very specific questions about that. Section 1004 required that the new architecture comply with all Federal accounting, financial management, and reporting requirements. Does DOD's proposed architecture do that? Mr. Kutz. The May version did not. We found a significant number of requirements were not in there, hundreds of them, although there were thousands that were in there, so it was a mixed result. Senator Levin. Is that something you have put in writing, what were and what weren't? Mr. Kutz. Yes, we did, and I would believe by now, and Mr. Lanzillotta can probably answer this, they have got those in there. Senator Levin. All right. We will ask---- Mr. Kutz. Because they are updating the architecture all the time. Senator Levin. We will ask him that question, then. Section 1004 required that the new architecture include policies, procedures, data standards, and system interface requirements that apply uniformly throughout the Department of Defense. Does the Department's proposal do that? Mr. Kutz. Partially, but not fully, is what our report noted. Senator Levin. And do you know if they have made progress since your report? Mr. Kutz. I believe they have. Again, they have agreed with our recommendations and we were very specific in the kinds of things that needed to be done. So I suspect they are further along, because that was back in May. Senator Levin. Do you track that? Mr. Kutz. No, but we are required under Section 1004 to report on this periodically and we are starting our next review of this. So we will be reporting back to you on that in May 2004. Senator Levin. Section 1004 required that the transition plan include an acquisition strategy for the enterprise architecture, including specific time-phased milestones, performance metrics, and financial and non-financial resource needs. Did their proposal do that? Mr. Kutz. No. That was one of the areas where we felt it fell far short of the requirement. The transition plan was actually a plan to develop a transition plan. It really did not chart what I think that the Act was looking for, which is, for all of you that are not familiar with this, there are over 2,000 business systems out there right now and the plan was intended to show how DOD is going to go from their 2,000-some systems that cost $19 billion a year to operate and maintain to the environment they see in the future, which should be several hundred systems that cost billions and billions of dollars less to operate. So they did not have that, and again, Mr. Lanzillotta can probably tell you where they are with that today. Senator Levin. Section 1004 required the transition plan to include a specific schedule for phasing out legacy systems that are not consistent with the new architecture. Did the proposal do that? Mr. Kutz. No. Senator Levin. And Section 1004 required the Department to institute an investment management process to ensure that investments in new business systems are consistent with the requirements of the new architecture. Did the Department establish an effective investment control process? Mr. Kutz. I would say no, but they had made a start at that, and the specifics of the Act, as I recall, are anything over $1 million that is going to be obligated is supposed to have comptroller review and approval before they enter into those transactions. They have just begun and I think they have maybe done 10 or 11 of the several hundred that might meet that criteria. So they are beginning, but they have not met that one. Senator Levin. Thank you. Thank you so much. Senator Coleman. Senator Pryor. Senator Pryor. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I appreciate your leadership on this because this is important. I would like to ask, if I may, some questions about perspective to try to get this in perspective. First, as I understand your previous testimony, you have not done this type of survey with other Federal agencies or other Federal departments, but is it fair to say that your impression, and probably your clear impression, is that this problem is far worse in DOD than it is in other agencies? Is that fair? Mr. Kutz. That would be fair. If the Secretaries of the other agencies are going coach, then I would say that is a fair statement. Senator Pryor. Another question I have, and it is probably in your report and I have been reading through it, it is very interesting. I have not come across the part yet that tells me what percentage--and you may have covered this in your opening statement, but what percentage of the travel is not following government guidelines that have been established? What overall percentage of the travel is the so-called problem travel? Mr. Kutz. Well, the premium travel is 1 percent of all travel tickets but it is 5 percent of the dollars. That gives you an idea of how many--I am not sure if that completely answers your question, but it is a small percentage of the transactions, but because they cost four or five times more than a coach ticket, it becomes about 5 percent of all DOD travel dollars. Senator Pryor. Do you know, and you may not know this off the top of your head, but what the overall Defense Department travel budget is? I am sure it is complicated because---- Mr. Kutz. It is over $5 billion. Senator Pryor. Five billion? Mr. Kutz. Yes, and the centrally billed accounts are about $1.45 billion a year. Senator Pryor. OK. I assume they are not having problems staying within their $5 billion travel budget? Mr. Kutz. I couldn't address that necessarily. Senator Pryor. OK. I do have another question that is raised in the report and it is just an unanswered question. Maybe I haven't gotten to the answer in the report yet. Is all of this travel for DOD employees? It seems like there may be some family travel in there. Is there any contractor travel in there? I mean, what are we talking about here? Mr. Kutz. I will let the gentlemen here that were involved in some of the interviews elaborate, but we found travel that was by family members as part of what is called a PCS move, Permanent Change of Station move, and again, that was a situation where I believe several of the opening statements related to a trip from London to Honolulu of a family of four-- -- Senator Pryor. Right, I saw that. Mr. Kutz [continuing]. And it was $21,000 versus $2,500, and so that is in the population in all likelihood, a bunch of that. And one of the reasons that they were able to do that is because the travel office told the traveler that we have done that for others. We also found that there was a commission of private sector individuals, that the government paid for them to take the trip to Moscow, I mentioned in the opening statement---- Senator Pryor. Right. Mr. Kutz [continuing]. So that was not government employees. Senator Pryor. What about any sort of contractors or non- DOD people that are being paid for out of DOD funds? Mr. Kutz. In our testing, did we come up with anything? Mr. Kelly. I don't remember seeing any contractors. We do know that sometimes wives of senior-level officials are asked to go represent the United States overseas and there are some of those situations. Senator Pryor. Did you find any unauthorized travel, where people should not have had the government pay for the trip, but they did? Mr. Kelly. We did not find any examples of people taking trips when there was no travel order authorizing them to fly. Mr. Kutz. If it appeared to be official government business. We didn't see anything that was outside of this realm. Senator Pryor. Mr. Chairman, I think that is all I have right now. Senator Coleman. Thank you, Senator Pryor. Just two quick follow-up questions. I am interested in the range of dollar loss and I think, Mr. Kutz, you talked about $10 to $30 million in savings. Is that just for the years 2001 and 2002? Mr. Kutz. That would be for those 2 years, but I would assume that that would continue. If they are able to put these controls in place, I believe that is what would be saved going forward per year. Senator Coleman. So if one were to kind of reverse at estimated dollar loss, what do you estimate the total dollar loss then to be in fiscal years 2001 and 2002? Mr. Kutz. Twenty to $60 million. Senator Coleman. And---- Mr. Kutz. I think what we can do, I mean, if you look forward, and in your opening statement you want to kind of track these things, we could work with you to kind of monitor this and see. If they implement the controls we are talking about here, you should see this dramatically decrease going forward. Senator Coleman. And I would like to be able to see that to say there is a reason that we do what we do. Is there anything in this process that would provide some avenues of recoupment of loss, or would that be difficult in these situations? Mr. Ryan. I think what we decided to do is, working with your staff, we decided to refer the 44,000 people to DOD. DOD can make their mind up as to whether or not they want to recoup the money. What we are interested in doing is continue to do investigations to identify what causes these problems so that we can pass the information on, and hopefully we can get the savings that way. Senator Coleman. I think that, depending on the intent of the person involved, assuming that some folks went through the system, the problem is the system didn't do the check-up. Mr. Kutz. Right. Senator Coleman. There were travel orders here, so I am not pointing a finger on the folks. Apparently there is a system. They travel all the time. But what I am hearing today is that there wasn't the kind of follow-up, there wasn't the authorization, there wasn't the review, there wasn't the justification, there wasn't then the documenting and all the things down the line that the system should do simply weren't happening here on a consistent, regular basis, would that be correct? Mr. Kutz. Yes. Senator Coleman. Thank you. Gentlemen, thank you very much. Senator Pryor. Senator Pryor. No. Thank you. Senator Coleman. This panel is excused. I would now like to welcome our final panel of witnesses for this afternoon's important hearing on the Department of Defense. We have Lawrence J. Lanzillotta, the Principal Deputy Under Secretary of Defense, the Comptroller's Office, and Charles S. Abell, the Principal Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Personnel and Readiness. I want to thank both of you for your attendance at this afternoon's hearing and I look forward to hearing your testimony concerning the actions DOD has taken or plans to take to ensure full compliance with its travel regulations. Before we begin, pursuant to Rule 6, all witnesses who testify before this Subcommittee are required to be sworn. At this time, I would ask you both to please stand and raise your right hand. Do you swear that the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you, God? Mr. Lanzillotta. I do. Mr. Abell. I do. Senator Coleman. Thank you. Mr. Abell, I understand that you will be givingn the Department's testimony today---- Mr. Abell. Yes, sir. Senator Coleman [continuing]. And Mr. Lanzillotta will be there to assist or answer any questions. As indicated before, if you have a full statement and you wish to enter that into the record and just summarize, let us know and that will become part of the record. With that, please proceed. TESTIMONY OF HON. CHARLES S. ABELL,\1\ ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE (FORCE MANAGEMENT POLICY), ACCOMPANIED BY LAWRENCE J. LANZILLOTTA, PRINCIPAL DEPUTY UNDER SECRETARY (COMPTROLLER), U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE Mr. Abell. Thank you, sir. Mr. Chairman, Members of the Subcommittee, my colleague and I are here today to provide the initial views of the Department of Defense in response to the draft General Accounting Office report on DOD use of premium class travel. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ The prepared statement of Mr. Abell appears in the Appendix on page 70. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The GAO report questions the Department's policies, procedures, and monitoring related to our premium class travel and we are already working on some needed changes, as have been noted earlier. The Department of Defense takes very seriously any questionable spending, such as that noted in the GAO report. Any unjustified expenditure diverts funding vitally needed to sustain U.S. military operations and other pressing priorities. For travel and every other functional area, the Department must have policies that clearly detail what is proper. We must have strong internal controls to monitor and enforce those policies. Our policies must leave no room for misunderstanding or abuse. In addition to actions the Department is already taking in response to the GAO report's findings, I am announcing here today the formation of a task force to more fully diagnose and propose remedies for our premium class travel shortcomings. The work of this task force will benefit from the methodologies and findings of the GAO report. Our goal will be for this new task force to be as thorough and as successful as our earlier task force on government charge cards. As with that earlier effort, we will marshal expertise and real-world experience from across the Department of Defense, to include the Office of the Inspector General, and we will invite our colleagues from the General Accounting Office. Our work will range from overarching policies to specific internal controls. Since we are just beginning this comprehensive analysis of premium class travel today, I cannot tell you exactly how we will address all the issues raised in the GAO report. However, the Department's creation of this new task force underscores how seriously we take the type of problems identified by the General Accounting Office. An especially important mission of the task force will be to analyze the roles played by each DOD organization involved in premium class travel, roles ranging from policy development, to authorization and travel orders, to paying the final travel bills. The Department will determine whether any changes in organizational roles are needed to strengthen internal controls and accountability for premium class travel. We are not waiting on the task force recommendations and have already made some changes to our policies. As indicated in the GAO report, the Department has begun updating its travel regulations. Our goal again is to promulgate clear, strong policies that will enable us to manage premium class travel most effectively. The Department expects its new regulations to state clearly that premium class travel should be used only when authorized and only when exceptional circumstances warrant the additional cost; that authorization documents must state the general condition that justifies premium class travel, for example, a substantiated medical condition; that justification of premium class travel must be consistent with criteria in government- wide General Services Administration regulations; and that travel regulations issued by DOD component organizations must be consistent with the new overarching policy. The new regulations will include details on how to properly document authorization and justification of premium class travel. Part of this guidance will be clear direction as to who should retain documentation of each justification and for how long. We will realize further enhancement of our ability to oversee and manage travel with the deployment of the Defense Travel System. This system was recently approved for fielding. It is operational in 24 sites already and will be totally fielded by fiscal year 2006. When this system is fielded, it will replace 43 legacy systems and give the Department a view of these types of situations in real time versus discovering problems after the fact. In closing, over the past 2 years, the Department has undertaken a massive overhaul of its management and support activities. What we especially aim to achieve is a cohesive, comprehensive management information system that will make it much easier for us to track transactions, ensure strong internal controls, and prevent abuses and eliminate inadequately documented spending. Finally, I want to assure you and this Subcommittee that the Department of Defense takes very seriously any indication of questionable spending. We will not tolerate any situation that wastes money needed to support our military and that undermines our strong stewardship of the public's trust and resources. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Senator Coleman. Thank you very much, Mr. Abell. I would note that the Comptroller is not here today. The Principal Deputy Under Secretary is here. I do want to make it clear and ask, do you speak for the Department of Defense and will you assure this Subcommittee that the DOD is committed to preventing this abuse of taxpayer money? Mr. Lanzillotta. Yes, I do. Senator Coleman. I have to say, gentlemen, maybe it is because I am the new guy here, but I am not as cynical as some of my more seasoned colleagues. As I listened to the comments of the Congresswoman and Chairman Grassley, there is a great deal of cynicism about the Department's commitment to getting ahead of the problem, that the reaction is a response to the problem, and I do want to applaud the fact that you are putting together a task force that will diagnose and propose remedies for these premium class travel shortcomings. But can you respond to that charge that what we get is a problem and we respond but we don't look ahead. Talk to me a little bit about how you do that. Mr. Abell. Mr. Chairman, I appreciate your perspective on this. The Department of Defense has its eye on many balls, and unfortunately, we don't catch all of them before they bounce off the floor. This may be one that we didn't have our eye on as much as we should. As you have heard in previous testimony, it is a small piece of our operation. That doesn't excuse any abuse or the lack of clear, cogent direction. But I think it might explain, while we were watching bigger things, this one might have escaped our constant attention. We also don't--haven't in the past provided our folks with clear guidance. We have handed them books of this size, sometimes out at the installation level fairly low-level folks, and said, these are the regulations. Try not to screw it up. That may be asking too much of them. We will look at some sort of decision support tool. Some have suggested a form. That strikes me as 1940's technology, but I think we can provide them some sort of decision support tool that will allow them to go through a checklist if you will, that helps them decide whether or not they have followed all the regulations, and it would also benefit all of us by providing something that could help us in the audits. It is my strong belief that many of the unauthorized or unjustified trips were probably authorized and justified but that our recordkeeping hasn't been sufficient to be able to demonstrate that to an auditor. Senator Coleman. There seemed to be a clear difference, though, in terms of recordkeeping between first class and business class and I would take it that that division will be removed and they will focus on both. Mr. Abell. Yes, sir. As was previously testified, there is a requirement that we report first class travel to the General Services Administration. I think our colleagues from GAO were very kind. My understanding is that the quality of our report to the GSA is probably less than we would hope, as well, and we will fix that as part of this. Senator Coleman. I appreciate your candor. How many people are employed by the Department of Defense? Mr. Abell. The military is about 1.4 million. We have about 800,000 reservists and another 600,000 civilian employees. Senator Coleman. And how many different locations? How many worksites? Mr. Abell. Oh, jiminees. I do not know that number. I will tell you that it is lunchtime somewhere in the Department of Defense every hour of the day. So we are around the world a number of times. Senator Coleman. I asked that because one of the things we have kind of talked about here is can you centralize travel order authority or post-travel voucher review at single locations. Will you talk to me about what centralizing this type of travel order approval would mean? How would you go about centralizing something like that, based on the diverse system that you have? Mr. Lanzillotta. Mr. Abell mentioned in his testimony that the Department is in the process of fielding the Defense Travel System. When we field the Defense Travel System, it will be the unifying system across the Department of Defense for all travel orders. I believe that this system, when fielded--it is fielded at 24 locations now in pilot sites--will take care of many of the problems that we have. One of the main things that this system will do for us, is that when a traveler comes up on the system, it will only display coach reservations. So he won't be able to make a premium travel, any type of premium travel, either business or first class. For him to do that, he will have to go through another procedure outside to get it specifically authorized and that order will be flagged and tagged so we will know at the Department level what we can do. So we will be able to do that data mining. We are building that functionality into the system now. In the 24 pilot sites, we recognize this as a shortcoming that we needed to fix and we are in the process of fixing it. So initially, we do have a problem. We will have to use a short-term solution of Bank of America as our credit card vendor right now to pull some data together for us so we can do the data mining techniques. In the future, we will have our own system that we will be able to go through and do it and manage it, and the purpose of our whole modernization program is to provide that type of data. Senator Coleman. The task force that you announced today to diagnose and propose remedies, would they be looking at simplifying the Joint Federal Travel Regulations? Are you going to be looking at that piece of things? And I have a second part of that. Are those regulations, are they online? Are they available worldwide? How do you folks know what the regulations are? Mr. Abell. They are available on paper and they are visible online, yes, sir. Senator Coleman. When you say visible, does that mean somebody can---- Mr. Abell. Yes, they can read it. Senator Coleman. They are available? Mr. Abell. Yes, sir. Senator Coleman. OK. Mr. Abell. The task force will look at all of those things. I don't expect that the task force will do much to simplify the Joint Travel Regulations or the Joint Federal Travel Regulations since they mirror, and we hope precisely mirror, the General Services Administration Federal Travel Regulations. What we will do to help our folks in the field go from something like this to something that is more manageable is try to give them a decision support tool that walks them through the processes so that they don't have to rely on their memory or do extensive research every time they do this. Senator Coleman. I would commend or recommend that you look at the online capacities and capabilities to allow folks to walk through that. You perhaps could simplify your system online without necessarily changing the regulations, but just make it easier for folks to process that stuff. Mr. Lanzillotta, are you going to add something there? Mr. Lanzillotta. Mr. Chairman, I would also like to maybe let the Subcommittee know, on this task force, I would like to give the results of the task force we did on the travel card and the purchase card to show the Subcommittee the type of things that the task force looked at and the type of things that we implemented to give you an idea of what we hope to do with this program. The task force, we were able to establish a metrics program so we could monitor performance of the travel card. We were able to publish a CD that laid out the training responsibilities of card holders. We were able to begin data mining, start the data mining on the data that we could get on the purchase and now the travel card that was mentioned by, I believe, Greg on his testimony from the IG. We were able to issue better guidance or more clear guidance to our security managers. We issued disciplinary guidance applicable to the individual and centrally billed accounts. We looked at the codes and the use of blocking merchant codes. That way, credit cards cannot be used in certain merchant areas. We looked at the credit limits and established more realistic credit limits on these cards. We simplified the guidance. It has led to a reduced delinquency rate on our travel cards. It is now on the individual accounts about 6.3 percent and on the centrally billed accounts below 2 percent. We are getting very close to industry standards. We implemented mandatory split disbursement for military members and we asked for mandatory split disbursement for civilian employees. Right now, it is the default solution if they don't elect it. That allows us to pay directly to the credit card. We implemented and collected approximately $42 million in delinquent dollars through that salary offset for military members. We have asked for that authority also on civilian members to help the government recoup the losses from improper charges. [Information supplied by DOD follows:] NOTE: DOD has inplemented salary offset for civilian employees. We are working with GSA and OPM to implement the authority to include civilian retirees in the program. We took out and eliminated 600,000 travel cards. We looked at the established procedures, the cards that were not active or people who left DOD, to go back and make sure that we could go and close their accounts. We have been working with the bank to develop even more internal controls. I have a similar list for the purchase card things that we have done to try to bring the Department more in line and establish these controls on these programs. I just want to assure the Committee that the Department takes this seriously and these are the type of things that we were able to do in the travel and purchase card to show success and we plan to do the same thing in this program. Senator Coleman. And I appreciate that, and I do want to reiterate that $10 to $30 million in savings may not be a lot in the perspective of a percentage of your budget, but it is sure a lot to folks that live in St. Paul or live in Crookston or live in Michigan or Arkansas. So I just want to reiterate that. We are very serious about the need to deal with the abuse and to make sure that the dollars are being saved. Can I ask just one further question and get back to this issue between business class and first class. It was the testimony here that first class approval required, I think, first class airline accommodations at the three-star equivalent level. Business class rests with transportation officers. Can you first tell me, what is the level of a transportation officer in DOD and wouldn't it be appropriate to have all premium travel approved at the same level? Mr. Abell. Mr. Chairman, the first class travel is by the Secretary of Defense, the Deputy Secretary, or their designee. The premium class travel is, in the current environment, approval authority is widely decentralized. It is one of the things we will take a look at in this task force, is what level should we have premium class travel, and as Mr. Lanzillotta has testified, when the Defense Travel System comes in, it will be done offline in a--not offline, but it will be kicked over to a special authority and that would allow us to implement in an automated way, as you have suggested, this special approval authority, as well. I don't know what the right level is. We will have to figure that out. Senator Coleman. I would hope, though, that we take certainly a close look at those situations where you have folks at subordinate levels making approvals of folks to expend dollars who are at a higher level. It seems to me something that is a little illogical and that, at a minimum, should be stopped. Mr. Abell. We have no argument with that in concept. Back to the size and scope of the Department, there will be cases where somebody somewhere has to go around the world to find their superior, but I am sure we can work out a way to make sure that there are enough internal controls in place to take care of those singular cases. Senator Coleman. Thank you, gentlemen. Senator Levin. Senator Levin. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I welcome you both. I think you were both here when I asked the GAO five questions as to the implementation of Section 1004 just a few moments ago. Did you disagree with any of the answers you heard about that, as to the level or the degree of implementation of the requirements in last year's authorization bill? Mr. Lanzillotta. Generally, we agree with GAO. The only thing I would mention, Senator, is that I guess some of this is in the eyes of the beholder on how far down the architecture should go and on the transition plan. I would like to clarify, especially on the transition plan, the comments made. When we started the architecture and the architecture that we delivered, it was an activities-based architecture throughout the Department, and to do that, we met and mapped all the activities that are business activities down to the financial transaction area to go through with the entire Department. So it really was a massive effort. To do that, we found out that we had 2,274 business systems that it touched. Originally, we started out--when we started the effort, we thought it was only 475 and it continued to grow as we went through and mapped it. The transition plan that the bill called for, we have a transition plan. It may not be the same transition plan or the definitional transaction plan that the Subcommittee was expecting. What we were trying to do is we want to go through, and we have started by looking at the material weaknesses in the Department in an incremental approach to reengineer those processes. After we reengineer those processes, we want to develop a system that will take care of that reengineered process. We couldn't, in the course of a year, develop and map out the activities and know the final solution to the architecture. So what we want to do, which I think is the most efficient way, and I think that GAO will probably agree with the approach, is we look at the material weaknesses, we engineer those processes that we need to, in order to eliminate that material weakness, and then develop a system that will take care of that. Senator Levin. And when will that be developed? Mr. Lanzillotta. We hope to have the first increment done and have the clean financial statements for fiscal year 2007. Senator Levin. The first financial statement reflecting the new, that new architecture---- Mr. Lanzillotta. It would be the fiscal year 2007 statement. Senator Levin. So it is going to take you 2 more years before you get that in place, a system in place? You reengineered your system---- Mr. Lanzillotta. To eliminate all the material weaknesses that have currently been identified. Senator Levin. Does GAO know that? Have you told them it is going to be 2007 before we are going to get those kind of statements, or are they hearing that for the first time today? Mr. Lanzillotta. I guess I---- Senator Levin. Have you heard that before? Maybe I can go back and ask the GAO. Is that an acceptable period of time? If you don't mind---- Mr. Kutz. Well, there are two things. I mean, he is talking about getting an opinion on financial statements, I believe, versus developing a transition plan as part of the architecture. So the 2007 goal to get an opinion on financial statements is to me a little bit different than the goal to completely reengineer and modify the systems. I think that is going to take a lot longer, actually, than 2007, so I don't know if that would be---- Mr. Lanzillotta. For all of our systems. Mr. Kutz. Right, for all the systems. Senator Levin. Are those timelines acceptable to you in terms of the speed with which they are being done? Can they be speeded up? Is that the first time we are going to have some decent accounting systems at the DOD and the ability to audit? Mr. Kutz. A lot will have to go right for 2007 to be achieved, in my view. Senator Levin. Is it on target now? Mr. Kutz. I have not looked in detail at the plan, but we know that 2007 is the goal that the Comptroller has for an opinion on the balance sheet. Senator Levin. Well, if you do look at the plan, Mr. Chairman, to tell us if it is a realistic plan. It seems like a long time off, but I guess from your perspective it is not a long time off. Given the decades that this has been brewing, maybe that is not such a long time. But if it is appropriate, Mr. Chairman---- Senator Coleman. Senator Levin, we will follow up and I will take that as a request from this Subcommittee. We will follow it up in writing with a very specific request to accomplish that. Senator Levin. When the Comptroller was before the Armed Services Committee, he made a certain commitment that the Department, ``would not fund any programs for new business management systems until we were convinced that they would all fit in with one another,'' so you would not have the kind of mess that the Department has with existing systems. That requirement was included in the Authorization Act last year. But the GAO has reported that the DOD has not yet implemented an effective investment management process for selecting and controlling ongoing and planned business system investments. Until it does, DOD remains at risk of spending billions of dollars on duplicative, stovepiped, non-integrated systems that do not optimize mission performance and accountability and, therefore, do not support the Department's business transformation goals. So my question, Mr. Lanzillotta, is are you aware of any business management systems that have been canceled or modified because of their failure to meet financial management requirements? Mr. Lanzillotta. Yes, Senator, we have canceled or terminated programs that we didn't feel that were going to yield compliant systems. If I could take a minute, I could explain the Department and how we are trying to implement this guidance. Senator Levin. Sure. Mr. Lanzillotta. What we have done is we have taken the 2,274 systems and we divided them into seven business areas for the Department of Defense. We have created domain holders. Those are the people who own the process or own that area of the business. Mr. Abell happens to be one of our domain owners for the human resource systems. We divided those 2,274 systems into these seven areas. These domains now are responsible for reviewing these systems, not only these old systems, but also for approving new systems to make sure that they are compliant with the architecture. So our acquisition process for IT systems is now two- phased. Not only when we get a system approved, but also it is what systems go out of the inventory. Like with Defense Travel System, when we plan to bring that on board, it will be one system and it is planning to replace 43 other systems, and those systems will be phased out. We take those systems, the domain owner reviews their systems, and it is a huge task. It is a challenging task. They will come back and make a recommendation as to what systems should be funded or what systems shouldn't be funded, and then we will use that as an enforcement mechanism. Senator Levin. You say some systems have been canceled? Mr. Lanzillotta. Yes, Senator. Senator Levin. It would be useful if you just, for the record, give us some examples of that. Give us a half-a-dozen examples, not right now, just for the record, if you would, systems that have been canceled for non-compliance with that requirement.\1\ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ See Exhibit No. 5 which appears in the Appendix on page 129. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Lanzillotta. Sure. Senator Levin. That would be great. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Senator Coleman. Thank you, Senator Levin. Senator Pryor. Senator Pryor. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Let me give you all my perspective on this, and that is admittedly, the dollars involved here in relative terms to DOD budget and the travel budget are small, and I think, Mr. Abell, you mentioned that in your opening statement or in one of your answers to questions. But the way I look at it is if we can't trust you on the small things, how can we trust you on the large things? What I sense is that, if I could put this in NCAA terms, there is a lack of institutional control when it comes to these nuts and bolts, dollar issues within the DOD. I am new on this Subcommittee, but what I have heard today is the GAO looked into credit cards and found a lot of wrongdoing. You all formed a task force. Now we are looking into premium travel. You all are going to form a task force. As I understand the testimony, and I hope I am wrong, it is going to be 2007 before it is fixed. That is totally unacceptable. I guess the question I have for you is we talked about credit cards. We talked about travel. What is next? What is next in the DOD that GAO hasn't discovered yet? How many millions are we just wasting there because of the lack of managerial control of the dollars in DOD? So my question is, what next is out there on the horizon where you think we have problems? Mr. Lanzillotta. Senator, that is the whole purpose of our business modernization program. The reengineering of the systems and our processes, that is what we are trying to avoid as to what is next. Now, referring back to Senator Levin's comment that the Department has developed this problem over a long period of time, we have put together this program and we are trying to go through, look at each of our business processes, and reengineer it using our domain process. We have started our first increment on our material weaknesses, which are the most serious financial areas that need to be corrected. We are going through and we are not waiting on GAO to tell us what is next. We know what is wrong. It is just that we are trying to fix it by the reengineering. It is just going to be a process that is going to take us time, 2007 seems a long way away, but I think from Mr. Kutz's testimony that he thinks that it might be a little ambitious that we get it done by 2007. But that is what we are doing to take care of the whole process. It is the magnitude of the problem and the scalability that we have to get our systems to handle these type of reengineering processes. Senator Pryor. Today we heard testimony that the DOD is wasting maybe $20 million a year, it may be $50 million a year. There is not a real firm number on how much we are wasting just in travel. What is your sense of the overall waste in the Department of Defense today? How much money are we going to save the taxpaywers when you put these new systems in and this new architecture that you are talking about and you address problems that you say you know are there. Mr. Lanzillotta. Senator, at this point, I don't even know how to hazard a guess. Senator Pryor. Do you understand my concern? You can't even guess how much waste there is. I mean, you have no idea, and yet you come in and you ask us, hey, appropriate this money, appropriate these dollars. We look at your travel account and I don't know how much we have budgeted to the Department of Defense's travel account, but you haven't run out of money. It seems to me that if you budget right, you should have run out of money, or you should have caught this problem, because you would be looking at your budget and you know you don't have the dollars there. It raises very serious concerns on my part about how you manage your internal affairs over there at the Department of Defense. So could you give me some sense of the scale of the problem at the Department of Defense? Mr. Lanzillotta. Senator, I don't even know how to address that. The scale is we are looking at the 2,274 systems that we currently have in our business architecture and we are trying to reengineer those processes. When we find out or notice or somebody tells us or we find it that there is an area for waste, fraud, and abuse, we do take action. Now, people say, well, you noticed a problem and you develop a task force. Well, that is right. We did. We took action. We got the problem under control. I don't know, or if I knew that there was a problem in a particular area, I would immediately try to take action to correct that problem. When you sit down there and ask me about how much money will it save by--with one architecture--if I know there is waste, I go after it. I don't know what I don't know, and so I can't hazard a guess as to what there is. I know what has been reported. I know what we find. I don't know how much is out there. I don't know if there is anything out there. GAO may have done an excellent job and has identified it all. But we work at it. Senator Pryor. I understand that DOD is a very large agency, it has a very diverse mission and it's budget is complicated. I appreciate that. I really do. And I know that, like you said, you are in every time zone in the world. You have got important tasks going on all over the world and it is very dangerous at times in certain places. I am very sympathetic and understanding of that. But at the same time, your answers today just aren't satisfactory to me. Like I said, I am just kind of waiting to see what we are going to find out next about the Department of Defense. I am glad you are being proactive and at some point, hopefully by 2007, you will have some new systems in place. But it is very troubling to me that you can't even begin to tell us how much waste, fraud, and abuse is within your Department. It is just--I understand you don't know what you don't know, but it seems to me that you don't even have a way to measure it right now. It is such a large department that you can't even get your hands around it. Is that fair? Mr. Lanzillotta. Well, Senator, that would have the assumption that there is a defined number out there of waste, fraud, and abuse, that somebody has gone out there and knows that number. It can't be measured because nobody knows. Senator Pryor. Well, it can be measured because if it is there, it is there. It is just you don't know how to measure it. You are not measuring it because you don't know how, is that right? You don't have the capability today to look at your internal systems and tell us how much money you are wasting at the Department of Defense, is that true? Mr. Lanzillotta. We don't have the capability at the Department of Defense to go across all of our systems, and that is true that our systems are not integrated. I don't take the assumption, though, that automatically means that there is waste, fraud, and abuse. Senator Pryor. I am not starting with that assumption, either, but I am starting with the fact that you can't tell us what is or what isn't waste, fraud, and abuse within your own Department. That is very troubling to me as a Member of Congress who has oversight over the Department of Defense. I mean, I think the Congress gives you all a lot of leeway. We put a lot of confidence in you as an agency and as a Department to do your mission. I don't want to say there are no questions asked on this end because we ask a lot of hard questions. But in the end, we defer a lot to the Department of Defense. It is your area of expertise and we want to be supportive and make sure that we have the best trained, best equipped military in the world to go out and do whatever the challenges are. But then again, when you get back to look internally at the nuts and bolts type of spending at the Department of Defense, it just seems like there is not the control that is necessary. It is a very large Department, but when you have such a large and diverse Department, you need the controls and it seems to me that there are just not the controls present. Is that fair or not fair? Mr. Lanzillotta. That is the purpose of the business modernization program, is to make sure that there are adequate controls on our business processes. Senator Pryor. But is it fair to say that you don't have the controls in place today? Mr. Lanzillotta. It is fair to say that we don't have satisfactory controls on all of our processes. Senator Pryor. Mr. Abell, you have been awfully quiet over there. Do you have any comment on this? Mr. Abell. Senator, I can assure you that the issue of premium travel will be resolved long before 2007. My assurance to you is we will have it before St. Patrick's Day. But I defer--you have been asking about business management and financial controls and that is my colleague's area of expertise. I make a deal with him that I don't do financial management and he doesn't do management of human resources. Senator Pryor. I do a lot of that around here myself, so I am sympathetic to that. [Laughter.] Mr. Chairman, I would like to reserve the right to insert a few more questions for the record, but that is all I have right now. Senator Coleman. Thank you. Thank you, Senator Pryor. The record, by the way, will be held open for 21 days for any further questions and we will forward to the witnesses any questions that you, Senator Pryor, or any of the Members of the Subcommittee may have.\1\ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ See Exhibit No. 4 which appears in the Appendix on page 124. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gentlemen, I want to thank you for appearing today. I want to say that I appreciate your candor. I would also note that we want to work with you. I do not view this as an adversarial process. This is a shining light, identifying the problem and solving it process. I think we and the Comptroller share a common bond. We want to make sure that government resources are used efficiently and that we are going to give it our best efforts to make sure that happens. We understand the challenge facing an agency as large as the Department of Defense, but I share the concerns of my friend and colleague from Arkansas. If you take care of the little things, the big things oftentimes take care of themselves. It may not always be that way, but you have got to take care of those little things. Again, for the average citizen out there, $10, $20, or $30 million is not a little thing, but it is a big thing. So let us commit to work together on this. We anticipate a series of other hearings relating to the Department and other issues concerning--a number of other things. I will leave it at that. We will be in touch. We will work with you on that. But again, I want to thank you for appearing here today. With that, this hearing is adjourned. 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