[House Hearing, 110 Congress] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] THE FEDERAL SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL PROGRAM ======================================================================= (110-75) HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON HIGHWAYS AND TRANSIT OF THE COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED TENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION __________ OCTOBER 2, 2007 __________ Printed for the use of the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 38-250 PDF WASHINGTON DC: 2007 --------------------------------------------------------------------- For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866)512-1800 DC area (202)512-1800 Fax: (202) 512-2250 Mail Stop SSOP, Washington, DC 20402-0001 COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE JAMES L. OBERSTAR, Minnesota, Chairman NICK J. RAHALL, II, West Virginia, JOHN L. MICA, Florida Vice Chair DON YOUNG, Alaska PETER A. DeFAZIO, Oregon THOMAS E. PETRI, Wisconsin JERRY F. COSTELLO, Illinois HOWARD COBLE, North Carolina ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON, District of JOHN J. DUNCAN, Jr., Tennessee Columbia WAYNE T. GILCHREST, Maryland JERROLD NADLER, New York VERNON J. EHLERS, Michigan CORRINE BROWN, Florida STEVEN C. LaTOURETTE, Ohio BOB FILNER, California RICHARD H. BAKER, Louisiana EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, Texas FRANK A. LoBIONDO, New Jersey GENE TAYLOR, Mississippi JERRY MORAN, Kansas ELIJAH E. CUMMINGS, Maryland GARY G. MILLER, California ELLEN O. TAUSCHER, California ROBIN HAYES, North Carolina LEONARD L. BOSWELL, Iowa HENRY E. BROWN, Jr., South TIM HOLDEN, Pennsylvania Carolina BRIAN BAIRD, Washington TIMOTHY V. JOHNSON, Illinois RICK LARSEN, Washington TODD RUSSELL PLATTS, Pennsylvania MICHAEL E. CAPUANO, Massachusetts SAM GRAVES, Missouri JULIA CARSON, Indiana BILL SHUSTER, Pennsylvania TIMOTHY H. BISHOP, New York JOHN BOOZMAN, Arkansas MICHAEL H. MICHAUD, Maine SHELLEY MOORE CAPITO, West BRIAN HIGGINS, New York Virginia RUSS CARNAHAN, Missouri JIM GERLACH, Pennsylvania JOHN T. SALAZAR, Colorado MARIO DIAZ-BALART, Florida GRACE F. NAPOLITANO, California CHARLES W. DENT, Pennsylvania DANIEL LIPINSKI, Illinois TED POE, Texas DORIS O. MATSUI, California DAVID G. REICHERT, Washington NICK LAMPSON, Texas CONNIE MACK, Florida ZACHARY T. SPACE, Ohio JOHN R. `RANDY' KUHL, Jr., New MAZIE K. HIRONO, Hawaii York BRUCE L. BRALEY, Iowa LYNN A WESTMORELAND, Georgia JASON ALTMIRE, Pennsylvania CHARLES W. BOUSTANY, Jr., TIMOTHY J. WALZ, Minnesota Louisiana HEATH SHULER, North Carolina JEAN SCHMIDT, Ohio MICHAEL A. ACURI, New York CANDICE S. MILLER, Michigan HARRY E. MITCHELL, Arizona THELMA D. DRAKE, Virginia CHRISTOPHER P. CARNEY, Pennsylvania MARY FALLIN, Oklahoma JOHN J. HALL, New York VERN BUCHANAN, Florida STEVE KAGEN, Wisconsin STEVE COHEN, Tennessee JERRY McNERNEY, California LAURA A. RICHARDSON, California (ii) SUBCOMMITTEE ON HIGHWAYS, TRANSIT AND PIPELINES PETER A. DeFAZIO, Oregon, Chairman NICK J. RAHALL II, West Virginia JOHN J. DUNCAN, Jr., Tennessee JERROLD NADLER, New York DON YOUNG, Alaska ELLEN O. TAUSCHER, California THOMAS E. PETRI, Wisconsin TIM HOLDEN, Pennsylvania HOWARD COBLE, North Carolina MICHAEL E. CAPUANO, Massachusetts RICHARD H. BAKER, Louisiana JULIA CARSON, Indiana GARY G. MILLER, California TIMOTHY H. BISHOP, New York ROBIN HAYES, North Carolina MICHAEL H. MICHAUD, Maine HENRY E. BROWN, Jr., South BRIAN HIGGINS, New York Carolina GRACE F. NAPOLITANO, California TIMOTHY V. JOHNSON, Illinois MAZIE K. HIRONO, Hawaii TODD RUSSELL PLATTS, Pennsylvania JASON ALTMIRE, Pennsylvania JOHN BOOZMAN, Arkansas TIMOTHY J. WALZ, Minnesota SHELLEY MOORE CAPITO, West HEATH SHULER, North Carolina Virginia MICHAEL A ARCURI, New York JIM GERLACH, Pennsylvania CHRISTOPHER P. CARNEY, Pennsylvania MARIO DIAZ-BALART, Florida JERRY MCNERNEY, California CHARLES W. DENT, Pennsylvania BOB FILNER, California TED POE, Texas ELIJAH E. CUMMINGS, Maryland DAVID G. REICHERT, Washington BRIAN BAIRD, Washington CHARLES W. BOUSTANY, Jr., DANIEL LIPINSKI, Illinois Louisiana DORIS O. MATSUI, California JEAN SCHMIDT, Ohio STEVE COHEN, Tennessee CANDICE S. MILLER, Michigan ZACHARY T. SPACE, Ohio THELMA D. DRAKE, Virginia BRUCE L. BRALEY, Iowa, Vice Chair MARY FALLIN, Oklahoma HARRY E. MITCHELL, Arizona VERN BUCHANAN, Florida LAURA A. RICHARDSON, California JOHN L. MICA, Florida JAMES L. OBERSTAR, Minnesota (Ex Officio) (Ex Officio) (iii) CONTENTS Page Summary of Subject Matter........................................ vi TESTIMONY Bricker, Scott, Interim Executive Director, Bicycle Transportation Alliance, Portland, Oregon...................... 5 Hubsmith, Deb, Director, Safe Routes to School National Partnership, Fairfax, California............................... 5 Koch, Lisa, Coordinator, Kansas Safe Routes to School, Topeka, Kansas......................................................... 5 Marchetti, Lauren, Director, National Center for Safe Routes to School, Chapel Hill, North Carolina............................ 5 PREPARED STATEMENTS SUBMITTED BY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS Mitchell, Hon. Harry E., of Arizona.............................. 36 Napolitano, Hon. Grace F., of California......................... 38 Oberstar, Hon. James L., of Minnesota............................ 39 PREPARED STATEMENTS SUBMITTED BY WITNESSES Bricker, Scott................................................... 43 Hubsmith, Deborah A.............................................. 52 Koch, Lisa....................................................... 69 Marchetti, Lauren................................................ 93 SUBMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD Bricker, Scott, Interim Executive Director, Bicycle Transportation Alliance, Portland, Oregon, responses to questions from Rep. Napolitano................................. 48 Hubsmith, Deb, Director, Safe Routes to School National Partnership, Fairfax, California, responses to questions from Rep. Napolitano................................................ 64 Marchetti, Lauren, Director, National Center for Safe Routes to School, Chapel Hill, North Carolina: Response to request from Rep. Coble............................ 111 Responses to questions from Rep. Napolitano.................... 112 [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] HEARING ON THE FEDERAL SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL PROGRAM ---------- Tuesday, October 2, 2007 House of Representatives Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, Subcommittee on Highways and Transit, Washington, DC. The Subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 10:00 a.m., in Room 2167, Rayburn House Office Building, the Honorable Peter A. DeFazio [chairman of the Subcommittee] presiding. Mr. DeFazio. The Subcommittee will come to order as soon as I turn on my microphone. Today, the subject matter is a hearing on the Federal Safe Routes to School program. Coming down the hall, I thought we had created a massive amount of interest when I saw the police and crowd, but I find that was a scandal instead of something that is substantial in contributing to the future of our Country. This program, which the Chairman of the Committee took a particular hand in creating, in my opinion, and I believe probably others share this sentiment, can address a number of problems simultaneously in the United States. We have a childhood obesity problem. If we can change the habits of children and make them less sedentary, that will lead to a life-long improvement in health. It is solving problems for children who are today, already, riding their bikes or walking to school, who are not the new entrants in the program, but who are doing it in areas that are not safe. In my hometown of Eugene we have had one fatality of a small young boy who was riding his bike and crossing a four- lane road, and the car closest to him stopped, and as he was obscured riding past that, a young driver who was speeding past that car in the outer lane killed the child. We had another incident of a child in the crosswalk who was seriously injured. And I know this is repeated around the Country. There are obviously improvements we can make in the routes that our children might use to go to school, in addition to getting more children to choose to walk or ride bikes to school. So I think this sort of interim hearing on what progress we are making, what problems there might be with the program will help direct its future. With that, I would turn to the Ranking Member, Mr. Duncan, for his comments. Mr. Duncan. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank all of the witnesses that have come here to testify this morning and thank you for calling this hearing. The topic of today's hearing is the Safe Routes to School program that was created in SAFETEA-LU. This program was intended to pay for infrastructure improvements around elementary and middle schools to make it safer and easier for students to walk or bike to school. Funding from this program can also be used to pay for non-infrastructure activities that encourage walking and biking to school. Where it makes sense, I think it is great if children are able to walk or bike to school. I think the goals and objectives of this program are very admirable, and I think we can all agree that childhood obesity is a major problem in our society and that any program that enables children to be more active is a good program. Some people have raised concerns about whether these activities should be funded through the Federal Highway program and the Highway Trust Fund because, before the end of 2009, the account of the Highway Trust Fund will run out of money. In fiscal year 2009, the Safe Routes to School program will receive $183 million. In that same year, we allocate only $90 million for highway improvements on high-risk rural roads, and we set aside only $100 million for emergency highway repairs to respond to natural disasters and disasters like the collapse of the I-35 bridge in Minnesota. I think the Safe Routes to School program is a wonderful and worthwhile program, but we need to make sure that we don't shortchange other programs that would perhaps save even more lives. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. DeFazio. Thank you. With that, I would see if other Members have opening statements. Ms. Matsui? Ms. Matsui. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for calling this important hearing. I just want to first start out by saying that Safe Routes to School is a wonderful and a worthwhile new program that Congress authorized in SAFETEA-LU. In my district, in Sacramento, we are having great success with this program. For example, one of our school districts has created a program--and I think this has happened in other States too--called Walking Wednesdays. It encourages the kids and the parents to walk or bike to school together. It encourages more family time, which I guess all of us know there is not enough of, but also promotes a better appreciation for the healthiness of walking and encourages alternate modes of transportation. These are all lessons that can be used later in life and can help build healthier communities. I am looking forward to working on these issues with you, Mr. Chairman. I am also looking forward to hearing from today's witnesses. I thank you and I yield back. Mr. DeFazio. Thank you. Mr. Coble. Mr. Coble. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will be very brief. I want to welcome the panelists, especially my fellow North Carolinian, Ms. Marchetti, and I want to associate with the remarks, Mr. Chairman, of the gentleman from Tennessee. I believe the goals are indeed admirable, and I too look forward to hearing the testimony today, and I yield back. Mr. DeFazio. Thank you. With that, I would turn to the Chairman of the Full Committee, Mr. Oberstar, the father of the Safe Routes to School program. Or grandfather or whatever you would like to be. Mr. Oberstar. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will take full credit, responsibility, obligation, but that has to be shared with so many dozens of others who were there at the creation of this initiative. I thank you for allowing us to hold this hearing. And the gentleman from Tennessee, who is ever so diligent in supporting the activities of the Committee and for his ever-thoughtful comments, thank you so very much. Ms. Matsui, in whose city there is a very strong, very effective Safe Routes to School program, on its way to being an award-winning project with use of all of the initiatives, the education, the traffic calming, the actual walking and cycling to school, engaging parents, faculty, administration, and the city engineering office as well. The program also works well when the mayor of the community, Mayor Heather Fargo, in this case, is strongly supportive. My hat is off to Sacramento and to Portland and to so many other cities across the Country. The real purpose of this hearing is to fulfill what I said at the outset of the creation of the Safe Routes to School initiative, is that it has to be accountable; that we have to take measure of the program in its initial stages, halfway through, and then at the end of the authorization period, when, on the eve of 2009, we will be writing a new transportation bill under the leadership of the gentleman from Oregon. I said this is a new initiative. It is one that has great hope, great promise for the future, and for that reason we have to hold it accountable and we have to review its progress, make sure that it is achieving the goals set out and, if not, to adjust that program. Well, I am quite satisfied that not only are the goals of Safe Routes to School being achieved, but exceeded. For that, at the outset, I want to thank Tim Arnade, who is at the Federal Highway Administration, the national director of the Safe Routes to School program for the U.S. Department of Transportation. Mr. Arnade put himself, Mr. Chairman, heart and soul, full energy into the development of the guidelines, working with State coordinators for Safe Routes to School across the Country as they were designated by each State; developed a comprehensive plan, a model for each of the States to follow; and then, when all the coordinators were designated, he gathered them, had a conference, got the best ideas, best practices, and moved this initiative forward. We didn't ask him to testify; that should come at a later date in the program. We should hear from those who are on the firing line. I also, at this point, want to thank our Safe Routes coordinator in Minnesota, Kristie Billiar. She is the best thing the Minnesota Department of Transportation has done over the last three years. Everything else has gone to hell in a hand basket over there; the bridge collapsed, they can't get their act together, can't pass an increase in the gas tax. But they can do Safe Routes to School, and they have done it exceedingly well. When I crafted this idea, it was following a presentation by the Centers for Disease Control in March of 2000 on results of a five year longitudinal study of obesity in America's children. This study reported that, 40 years ago, 60 percent of all children walked and biked to school; in 2000, less than 2 percent; that, further, 25 percent of children were clinically obese, that is, more than 30 percent above their ideal body weight; that 60 percent of children 15 and under were clinically seriously overweight or verging on obesity; that 65 percent of adult Americans were clinically overweight or obese; that 75 percent of trips by children 15 and under were by vehicle, motor vehicle, to school, from school; that twice a day air quality is severely deteriorated at school areas because idling of buses and cars and SUVs and the rest. There were many other disturbing data, but the worst of all was that Type II diabetes had doubled in five years among children 15 and under. No period in health statistics had seen such a dramatic increase in disease, a preventable disease, largely. So I gathered a group of enthusiasts for cycling. Actually, I went out and did a ride on my bike that afternoon. It was a short session that day and I went out and I meditated on the issue, called a group of cycling/pedestrian advocates together in my office and I read those statistics to them and I said I have a plan to fix it, I am going to call it Safe Routes to School. Someone raised their hand and said it is a great idea, it has already been done in England. I said, well, it is still a pretty good idea, even though the Brits already did it. They cited to me the study which had been completed three years--more than a study, an experiment--three years sustainable transportation, and in those three years the Brits had really changed habits of young people; created Walking School Buses. They did infrastructure changes at intersections: widened the crossings, brighter striping; as I said, Walking School Buses for children, wearing the same clothing or hats. They engaged parents and school administrators, and in the third year of the program more bicycles were sold in the U.K. than automobiles. Well, I am not out to sell more bikes than automobiles with this program, but, in fact, that is what is happening. Last year, more bicycles were sold in the United States than automobiles. So we took that idea, we had--to shorten the story--engaged the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to commit to two grants of $50,000 each, one to support a principally walking program in Arlington, Massachusetts, and the other principally a bicycling program in Marin County, California. Thanks to the energy, enthusiasm, and creativity of Deb Hubsmith, that Marin County program was a resounding success, and the same in Arlington, Massachusetts, where they revived school crossing guards that had long been dormant in that city; and in both places lessons learned, lessons applied resulted in the draft legislation and finally inclusion in SAFETEA-LU, and here we are with an enormously successful initiative. You have many opportunities in the legislative arena to do good of one kind or another. Many of us get an amendment passed and occasionally we get a bill passed. But rarely do you have an opportunity like this, to change the habits of an entire generation, and that is what we can do with Safe Routes to School. We can save an entire generation, and those to follow them, from childhood diabetes, from obesity, into safer walking, bicycling habits; change the safety parameters in the school arena. And we are seeing the benefits, seeing the results, and seeing the success of those initiatives with the program on which we will hear a full report today. Over 700 schools in just the first two years of the program have initiated programs and had reports and success. Safe Routes to School is now in all 50 States and the District of Columbia. Law enforcement, families, children, school boards, city governments, all are engaged. We have a Safe Routes to School clearinghouse with Lauren Marchetti at the University of North Carolina School of Public Health, and serving as a center for sharing information, best practices, and making sure that information gets out quickly, Safe Routes Task Force, headed by Deb Hubsmith. All are working together, sharing their experiences, and the best result of all is that we are seeing success in reducing Type II diabetes, high cholesterol and blood pressure among school children. I look forward to the testimony, which I have read already, frankly; I stayed up until the early hours of the morning making sure I read every page of it, and I am very excited about the report we will receive this morning. Mr. DeFazio. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Are there other Members who wish to make an opening statement? [No response.] Mr. DeFazio. Seeing none, we will then proceed to the witnesses and we will begin with Ms. Marchetti. TESTIMONY OF LAUREN MARCHETTI, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL CENTER FOR SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL, CHAPEL HILL, NORTH CAROLINA; DEB HUBSMITH, DIRECTOR, SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL NATIONAL PARTNERSHIP, FAIRFAX, CALIFORNIA; SCOTT BRICKER, INTERIM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION ALLIANCE, PORTLAND, OREGON; AND LISA KOCH, COORDINATOR, KANSAS SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL, TOPEKA, KANSAS Ms. Marchetti. Thank you. Mr. Chairman and distinguished Members of the Subcommittee, thank you for inviting me to testify. It is an honor and privilege to be here before you to discuss this wonderful program. I also want to thank Congressman Coble for his kind statement of support. But I particularly want to thank the Committee and Chairman Oberstar, and his staff in particular, for their tremendous leadership in making this a reality. The Safe Routes to School concept has been described as small steps, perhaps, but millions of them and all in the right direction. It is a simple and powerful concept. Where it is safe, encourage children to enjoy the walk to school as generations before them did. Where it is not safe, bring together the community partners and resources to make it safe. Unfortunately, in some places, children are walking and biking to school in unsafe conditions. Often, this is in urban, low resource areas. These children deserve better. Housed within the University of North Carolina Highway Safety Research Center, the National Center works with the Federal Government, all 50 States, the District of Columbia, and local programs throughout the Country to help implement the Safe Routes to School program. We are pleased that our partners include the American Association of State Transportation Officials, America Walks, the Governors Highway Safety Association, the Institute of Transportation Engineers, and Toole Design. The clearinghouse serves three main functions. Build capacity. This is done largely with training and technical support. Promote demand. I will talk to you later about the wonderful things that Walk to School Day is accomplishing. And, finally, understand what works. This is very important to us. Successful programs and strategies must be identified and shared so all schools can benefit. As Chairman Oberstar was saying, we are on the convergence of major issues that Safe Routes to School programs can address. The obesity epidemic and related illnesses that we are experiencing have reached our children, leading public health professionals to warn that this generation of children may be the first not to live to be as old as their parents. Now, that stuns a lot of people when they hear that. Concerns about traffic congestion, the environment, and our dependency on foreign fuel have spurred many to look for alternatives. Walking is the form of transportation and physical activity that is the easiest to do and most affordable for all. As more and more adults and children seek this ability, we must be proactive in our efforts to make these modes safe and accessible. With over 30 years experience in the transportation safety field, I have seen a lot of programs. Yet, I am amazed at how quickly so many States have embraced Safe Routes to School, and at the commitment and enthusiasm of the State coordinators. You will hear that spirit when Lisa Koch testifies shortly. I would like to make five points. One, the Federal program is going strong. They had three requirements: to establish the Safe Routes to School program, establish a clearinghouse, and create a national task force. I am here to inform you that FHWA has moved aggressively to accomplish all three. As Chairman Oberstar mentioned, they appointed a senior level employee, Tim Arnade, to serve as the contact person within six weeks of passage of SAFETEA-LU. This was crucial to the speed with which the program advanced. Within two months, the first two years of funding were issued to the States. By the time the program was one year old, 13 States had announced funding. The clearinghouse was established in May 2006, and we too understood speed was important. Within three months we had a comprehensive web site, we had convened a meeting of the State coordinators, we started providing free training to each State, and we had established a tracking program. The national task force was established in October 2006 and, as a member of that organization, I can testify that we have already met three times, about to have our fourth meeting, and we are working hard to get our report out. My second point is that States are engaged and running with the program. Two key provisions made that happen: the requirement for full-time coordinators and the flexibility in allowing States to use a variety of approaches. Funds are also reaching the communities and we are seeing early successes. As of July, 40 States had completed or were actively involved in soliciting local Safe Routes to School program applications. Data is also being collected. We have set up a tracking system. We are going to be looking at programs, and the resulting database will support national level and overall program evaluation. We will be able to see what is working and share that information quickly. I would like to end my testimony with a success that gives me particular joy. Tomorrow, October 3rd, is International Walk to School Day. I am very proud to say that that started in the United States in 1997. The Brits joined us later. This year, it will be celebrated in 42 countries. The importance to me about this is that it is an event that has caught on in all 50 States, with over 3,000 schools registered this year. And it isn't just an event. When they do the walk to school activity, they go on to start programs and get engaged and remember how much they used to enjoy walking to school, at least the adults when they were young. In conclusion, I want to say that the Safe Routes to School program is off to a great start because of parents and schools that want better for their children, advocates who are dedicating their time to where their hearts are--and you will hear that in Deb Hubsmith's testimony, I am sure--and the State coordinators, like Lisa Koch, for whom this is not just a job, but a way to improve the lives of school children. I would like to thank the Chairman, Ranking Member, and Members of the Subcommittee for this opportunity to tell you the wonderful things I am seeing out there. I want to leave you with one statement from a coordinator in a State that is dealing with some rough economic times. In an application for an award that we are going to be giving out soon, he said, often, because neighborhood schools are the single remaining institution in blighted areas around which a community can rally, Safe Routes to School is the catalyst that engages neighborhoods again and empowers them, through success, to stem decline and recreate community. Thank you. Mr. DeFazio. Thank you. Ms. Hubsmith. Ms. Hubsmith. Yes, good morning, Chairman Oberstar, Chairman DeFazio, and Ranking Member Duncan, and Members of the Committee. I am pleased to be here today to have the opportunity to speak with you about the success of the Federal Safe Routes to School program. Overall, my assessment is that the program is doing extremely well and is very popular. Still, there are some things that Congress can do to improve its success, and I will highlight those opportunities throughout my testimony. I have been involved with Safe Routes to School programs for nearly 10 years. In 1999, California passed the first legislation to allow for a Safe Routes to School program, and then, in the year 2000, as Chairman Oberstar mentioned, I had the opportunity to help to manage a pilot program for the National Highway Traffic Safeway Administration in Marin County, California. We were asked by the Federal Government to incorporate the five E's as part of our Safe Routes to School program, recognizing that if you build it, they don't always come. So in order to create a program, in order to change people's behavior, you need to use a variety of techniques. So our program used the 5 Es, starting off with Evaluation, asking parents why they are driving their children to school now and what it would take to change their behavior, and taking initial baseline information; Engineering, taking a look at the routes to schools and what could be changed, and then creating priority lists and seeing what the city can do on their own funding and what type of applications are needed from State or Federal governments; Education, taking a look at traffic safety and how we can improve that in the schools and on the streets; Encouragement, activities like Walk to School Day; and then Enforcement, working together with law enforcement. So Safe Routes to School became a comprehensive program that really brought the city and the school together and directed the resources of these entities to make a difference. It worked so well that when the Congress passed the Safe Routes to School legislation, the Federal Highway Administration created guidance recommending the 5 E's for Safe Routes to School, and that has been a tenet for its success. I went on to form the Safe Routes to School National Partnership that is a network of more than 300 organizations now, including the Institute for Transportation Engineers, the American Association of School Administrators, Rails to Trails Conservancy, and the League of American Bicyclists. We are working to grow the Safe Routes to School movement, set best practices, and to share information. We released this report yesterday, Safe Routes to School: The State of the States, and there are copies here that will be available for you to pick up later if you are interested. I would like to cover four points as to how Safe Routes to School is succeeding. Number one, it is being proven that the program is increasing walking and bicycling to school. In California, where we have had a program now for six years. The Department of Transportation released a study this January that showed that at schools that received improvements, we increased the number of children walking and bicycling in the range of 20 percent to 200 percent. Secondly, Safe Routes to School builds important partnerships, both at the State level and also at the local level. It brings together partnerships like the Health Department, law enforcement, and the Departments of Transportation and Education, partners that may not have always worked together before. Our friends in Knoxville, Tennessee report that the Regional Transportation Planning Organization is particularly proud of the fact that they have worked with the Bearden Elementary School and the Beaumont Elementary School to run active Safe Routes to School programs, and they are now applying for Federal funds to expand to three more schools. And they are particularly proud of the fact of how they brought together these diverse partners. Thirdly, Safe Routes to School is reaching low income communities. By providing the 100 percent funding for the program, it allows for communities that may not have the resources to apply for grants to do so, and the Active Living Resource Center, funded by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, is making an effort to work with DOTs to have that happen. It is being successful. In addition, another success is that Safe Routes to School is leveraging additional funds. Foundations like the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, Bikes Belong Coalition, and the Harvest Foundation have invested money to help make this program succeed. In addition, thousands of parents give their time, through Walking School Buses and other activities, in order to make the program work. This adds value to the Federal program. There are three opportunities and challenges that I would like to address where Congress can help. First, there is a latent demand for the funding for this program. In most States, we have seen way more requests than funding is available. In fact, many times it is five times the amount of funding that is available. In New Jersey, $74 million was requested for only $4.15 million that was available. Secondly, the Federal requirements for Safe Routes to School reflect Title 23, and while it is extremely important to have rigorous oversight for the expenditure of Federal funds, many of these programs are very small in nature, and the administrative fees and time it takes to implement them are quite intense. It would be great if we could work together with Congress to streamline these activities, because many of the changes are taking place in an existing built environment and result in educational programs. Thirdly, we would like to work with you on improved data collection. We are very pleased that the National Center for Safe Routes to School has developed parent-student collection surveys, and these are good, but we would like to work with you to improve the census questions, to have questions related to school travel, and to fund the National Household Travel Survey. In addition, as the State DOTs report information to FHWA, we would like to have more information reported on bicycle and pedestrian data and Safe Routes to School. Finally, I would be remiss if I did not address recent criticisms that have been directed at the use of Federal dollars for Safe Routes to School and other bicycle and pedestrian programs. Please let me point out that the funding for this program represents only 0.2 percent of the overall funding in the Federal transportation bill. Our children are worth 0.2 percent of the Federal transportation funds. Secondly, many communities report that 20 percent to 30 percent of the morning traffic is parents driving their kids to school. This is helping to relieve that traffic congestion. In addition, municipal costs are rising for school bus transportation, so many States are cutting this. We need to provide a way for these kids that are now on the streets to get to school safely. As was mentioned by the Chairman, U.S. activity among children has plummeted, and now one third of our U.S. children are overweight and obese. That is 25 million children. And there are huge costs for the United States for this. In addition, walking and biking to school reduce greenhouse gas emissions and it reduces energy, and these are priorities for our Nation. Safe Routes to School is creating a stronger America, a healthier America, and I would like to thank Congress for making the opportunity available for every family and every child to make a difference in their health and the health of this Nation. Safe Routes to School is a program the United States can be proud of. Thank you very much. I look forward to working with you to strengthen the program and to answering your questions. Mr. DeFazio. Thank you. Mr. Bricker. Mr. Bricker. Thank you, Chair DeFazio, Chair Oberstar, Ranking Member Duncan, and Members of the Committee. My name is Scott Bricker and I am with the Bicycle Transportation Alliance from Oregon. I am very pleased to be here, very excited to be up here testifying. I am hoping to provide just a small, brief snapshot of what is going on in Oregon, successes and challenges that one State is facing. In 1996, I started working on youth mobility issues as part of my master's degree at Portland State University in transportation planning. For two years I rode bicycles with children to school, after school, and worked with them on what types of transportation needs they needed and had. In 1998, I worked with the Bicycle Transportation Alliance to write a grant to ODOT, the Transportation Safety Division, to get money, actually FHWA money, to start a bicycle safety education program. In the last eight years, that program has taught over 40,000 children a 10 hour traffic safety course riding bicycles on the street. In Oregon, we have worked to be part of the National Safe Routes to School partnership and I have been on the board of that organization with Deb. We passed Oregon Safe Routes to School laws in 2001, 2005, and 2007, and in Oregon, recently, we created a Safe Routes to School advisory committee, as well, to help write rules in the Oregon law, but also mostly because of the Federal program. In Oregon, communities up and down the State have been working on and grappling with issues about bicycling, walking to school, and the children. In Eugene and Springfield, the Lane Transit District has been working to try and increase safety of children and get bus passes into kids' hands, trying to increase walking and biking to school. In Albany, one community volunteer, Jim Lawrence, has been working with the community to grapple people to work with this issue of congestion in front of his schools, and in Corvallis, the Benton County Health Coalition has been working to try and do the same. In Bend, the Public Works Department created Oregon's first Safe Routes to School plan in Bear Creek Elementary School, working with the principal and a couple parents, and in Ashland and Medford the communities have been working with their traffic safety committees in the community to try and handle this issue. Finally, in Portland, we have been working for the last four years to try and increase Safe Routes to Schools. In all of these programs the community has been really the group that has been leading this effort. In fact, in none of these communities has the school been the place that has been leading this effort. At the same time, Oregon spends $300 million a year on school bus transportation. Today, Oregon receives about $1 million a year from the Safe Routes to School program. And, in Oregon, only 30 percent of the kids actually take the bus. What is the problem here? The Federal Safe Routes to School program has given the impetus, with only $1 million a year, to help form these coalitions, to help actually bring these people together to create school travel plans, to create strategies, and to apply to receive Federal Safe Routes to School funds. In fact, in Oregon, in 2005, we passed a law stating that to get Safe Routes to School funds you would have to have a school transportation plan or some kind of strategy; not a very formalized plan, but a strategy, a discussion between the city and the schools or the county and the schools. The Federal program has been successful in Oregon because it has helped leverage real partnerships; it has helped bring me out here, and this is my first time testifying in front of Congress, and I really am excited and slightly nervous to be up here, but you have the potential to have more and more people who have never been here before because of this program. Yesterday we had a press conference with children who came with bikes and were walking, had a chance to have a civics lessons. Kids who, in the past, were not empowered to bicycle and walk to school today are being so. I believe that, for Oregon, the Federal Safe Routes to School program has had some very specific positive impacts. One, it has been the impetus to help us create our Safe Routes to School Advisory Committee, which really is a coalition and has, for the first time, Department of Education, School transportation people in the same room with ODOT, with the transportation department. Two, as I had mentioned, it is creating partnerships between health departments, between cities, between schools, between advocates like myself, parents, safety advocates, a wide range of people that have never worked before together in this way. And, three, it has real money. Even at $1 million a year, we can build crosswalks, we can build curb extensions, we can build meeting islands, and we can also provide safety education to children in Oregon. We can promote bicycling and walking to school and active, healthy lifestyles, and those things are happening. There are some problems or some concerns that we have, stumbling blocks about the programs. Our stumbling block is the construction requirements that are required by FHWA. With $1 million a year, and perhaps only $700,000 a year, we are encouraging communities in Oregon to only submit small applications, between $35,000 and $250,000 per school. Two hundred fifty thousand is one traffic signal. To have to go through the Federal hoops, right now, we haven't even figured out in Oregon. We are encouraging bundling of projects; we are encouraging a streamlining process and seeing if there is any way we can streamline the evaluation project. If you are going to build a $2,000 speed bump, you shouldn't have to have a $10,000 administrative fee. At the same time, the promotion and education programs have already been funded, and those programs are moving forward. The other thing that we are stumbling with is the issue of supplanting ongoing costs. We would like to be able to fund ongoing bicycle safety education, but we are not exactly sure if this program will let us do it for more than one or two years, and that is something that we are working on. In summary, in Oregon, the demand greatly outpaces the cost of available revenue and ODOT is doing an excellent, in the Transportation Safety Division, managing this program. At the same time, planning does take time. With only two years after the Federal program has really been released, communities are still trying to put their plans together. So we are excited to move this forward and have more and more schools submit programs and plans to you all. So I encourage you and I look forward to working with you all to increase this funding in the future to keep this program going and to let us continue this great work. Thank you. Mr. DeFazio. Thank you, Mr. Bricker. Ms. Koch. Ms. Koch. Good morning, Mr. Chairman, Ranking Member Duncan, and Members of the Committee. My name is Lisa Koch, and I am the Coordinator of the Kansas Safe Routes to School program at the Kansas Department of Transportation in Topeka. In addition to my oral testimony today, please accept my written testimony, which I have submitted for the record. Thank you for holding this timely hearing on the status of the Federal Safe Routes to School program, which was funded through the passage of SAFETEA-LU in 2005. Since the passage of SAFETEA-LU, the 50 State Departments of Transportation and the Department of Transportation for the District of Columbia have been working to create Safe Routes to School programs that meet the needs of their varied constituents. My comments today will focus on the Safe Routes to School program that has been created at KDOT as an example of how the Federal guidance for the Safe Routes to School program has been interpreted at the State level. KDOT started their Safe Routes to School program in early 2006, just months after receiving guidance from FHWA. The leadership at KDOT supported this program from the beginning and, knowing that there wouldn't be much time to prove its viability during the life of SAFETEA-LU, moved aggressively to start their program. After a public information campaign and an application process, KDOT selected its first 24 Safe Routes to School projects in October of 2006, just six months after starting our program. In the year since that time, KDOT has worked aggressively to educate the public about the holistic nature of the Safe Routes to School program and has selected over 20 more projects in its second year of funding. The flexibility of the program guidance which FHWA provided for the Safe Routes to School program has allowed us to fund over 10 non-traditional recipients of transportation funding, including school districts and non-profit organizations. The flexibility of the guidance has also allowed us to appropriately fund programs at all levels. Our smallest programs focus on single school initiatives where there are specific traffic or safety concerns that are not allowing children to walk or bicycle to school. Our largest programs are being implemented with two of the metropolitan planning organizations in Kansas. These programs focus on regional programming such as Walking School Bus programs and safety education. When I speak to local communities, they have found that the Safe Routes to School program works. A specific interaction that reminded me of the importance of these types of programs occurred when I met with leaders from a small town in Southeastern Kansas two weeks ago. I asked them why they needed a program like Safe Routes to School, why it was important to them. They said that their city of around 1500 people was on the verge of dying. Their population was aging and their children were leaving for college or better opportunities. Special programs like Safe Routes to School would help enable city leadership to encourage families to move back to this town to raise their children. Increased livability factors would encourage industries to locate near this town, creating more jobs and opportunities for folks to live there. Having a more walkable community would allow their aging population to maintain their independence, instead of perhaps having to leave their home and their town for care facilities. In my opinion, rural communities are where this program is having the most impact. The programs that occur in the cities and in suburban areas are doing well and they are very necessary, and they have been very successful in Kansas. But the $250,000 in a city that we provide, if there is 100,000 people or so, it isn't having a very big impact on overall traffic patterns. Two hundred fifty thousand dollars in a town with a relatively small population has a massive lasting effect; it has the type of impact that can galvanize an entire town to change their future. In my conversations with other Safe Routes to School coordinators, there is agreement that the Safe Routes to School program is working. They appreciate the flexible nature of the program because it allows for creativity and for programs to meet the needs of their constituents. The common complaints from coordinators are that more funding is needed to meet the needs of their applicants. In Kansas, we turn down over half of applicants due to limited funding, and we have very strict application requirements that we get fantastic applications, and we have to turn down quite a few. Coordinators also think that the Federal aid requirements are too extensive for such a low cost program. The small towns that I work with do not have the staff to work through this process; therefore, projects have to be let through the State Department of Transportation, which extend the time line of projects and make them more expensive. Also, these daunting requirements cause some people not to apply for funds, those programs that we are trying to target. In closing, I would like to thank Chairman DeFazio for providing me with the opportunity to testify today. On behalf of the 51 Safe Routes to School programs, I would like to publicly acknowledge the fantastic work of the Safe Routes to School affiliated staff at the Federal Highway Administration Headquarters and at the State divisions. I would also like to acknowledge the impeccable work of Lauren and her staff at the National Center for Safe Routes to School. The work that they do in assisting the State coordinators is extraordinary and will have a lasting effect on the Safe Routes to School movement. Again, thank you, and I would be happy to answer any questions that you might have. Mr. DeFazio. Thank you, Ms. Koch. We will now turn to the first round of questions. Ms. Marchetti, one of the clearinghouse jobs is to develop and share best practices to make certain States are using their funding in the most effective way and we are not recreating the wheel, so to speak, or the path, or whatever. Can you give us a few examples of best practices that you have found that are being replicated and working well? Ms. Marchetti. We are in the process of collecting case studies. We have 35 now that are going up on our website probably within the week, and many of these involve looking at how schools are reducing speeds, because the speed at which a child is hit greatly influences whether or not they can survive a crash. We are also looking at encouragement programs. We have got documentation of a program in Tucson, for instance, that through education was able to increase the walking and biking to school by 300 percent. The safety strategies are harder to evaluate, and that is why we are very excited about this tracking program we are setting up. We are hoping that the majority of States will get their schools to collect both travel data and parent concern data that will help us--and also what the strategies are, and then we will be able to do supplemental evaluation so that we can understand what works for safety. We feel confident we are going to learn what works to encourage kids to walk and bike, but we need to do very specific evaluations to understand what are the strategies and what are the engineering treatments that will be of most value. So it is an ongoing process, but we have got some. Mr. DeFazio. Great. We look forward to those new postings. Ms. Hubsmith, you mentioned in your testimony about the delay in project implementation after the grants are announced, the problems with both administrative fees and the time involved. Do you have any proposals on how to deal with that to make it better? Ms. Hubsmith. Thank you, Chairman DeFazio. One of the possibilities might be to be able to set a threshold for a certain amount of funding that if a project was $250,000 or less, that there might be able to be a streamlined process for implementation of those grant awards. My understanding is that Title 23 requires about 12 different forms of paperwork that need documentation related to archeological resources, noise, dirt, a variety of different things. We believe that the rigorous accountability for this program is extremely important. It is also important to recognize that most of these improvements are taking place in an existing built environment, and that when it costs sometimes as much to do the administrative fees as it does to implement something like a speed bump, that we need to find a way to be more effective. In addition, another technique that is being used is the bundling of projects, and I believe that might be one of the best practices that the national center may discover. I know that the State of Massachusetts has worked to allow for one contractor to implement their infrastructure projects throughout the State, and for bundling them in that way they have been able to reduce administrative fees per project and do them overall. That may work in smaller States, but I don't see that working in a State such as California, that is so big and spread out. So some sort of changes to Title 23 would be helpful, possibly related to the amount of funding that is required if it is taking place in a built environment. Mr. DeFazio. Thank you. Mr. Bricker, you mentioned bundling also in your testimony. Is there any particular difference? You heard Ms. Hubsmith mention it can work, but in the larger States, with the tremendous dispersion, perhaps not so well. What about the Oregon experience? You mentioned that. They are a large land area, too. Mr. Bricker. Yes, thank you, Chairman DeFazio. We are a large land area, especially in some areas not much population. The bundling the way Oregon has proposed it, I had mentioned that the Safe Routes Advisory Committee in Oregon had actually recommended smaller projects, so we really are hoping, with only $1 million a year, and maybe 70 percent of that for infrastructure, was hoping to only fund smaller, $250,000 projects or less. So the idea of bundling was, within a community, if you had applications for more than one school, so, for example, if Eugene was going to apply for three or four schools, each school might have $100,000 worth of improvements, that they would try and bundle those applications into one bunch so they could all be reviewed at once. So it was more of community-by-community than it was the whole State with one contractor. And that would really only work for the larger communities, so for the smaller communities they would be handicapped with this process, and, again, I do want to emphasize the idea of a streamlining approach. Mr. DeFazio. Okay. Ms. Koch, on Kansas, obviously, you have a rural challenge here. How well does the program work in these more rural areas and what are the needs there that we could meet? Ms. Koch. We are finding that this program is extraordinarily successful in rural communities, which was a surprise to us. The research that we have seen from past programs funded through our past transportation funding, they have all been suburban and urban. So this was kind of a new opportunity for us to see if it works. The most important thing we have had to do is make sure that we are reaching to these communities. A lot of rural communities all over the Country don't feel like Federal funding is intended for them, so it was important for us to make sure that they understood that we were helping them. We wanted them to be participating. We took trainings to their location; we didn't force them to go to the big cities to go to trainings. We provided tons of technical assistance. We created opportunities for them to start their program at a planning process. If they have never done anything before, we would provide them opportunities to plan using our funds. If they have already had a planning process, they can go towards implementation. The most important thing that we have found with our rural communities in Kansas is that our poverty rates are extraordinarily high. They are as high as a lot of our inner city areas in Kansas. So it is important that we are focusing on these areas. They don't have the tax base to fix potholes, let alone make improvements to make pedestrian areas safer. We are also dealing with a lot of aging infrastructure. So there are so many challenges in rural communities that can really be benefitted by this program. Plus the fact that you are dealing with a smaller area where people are wanting to have their kids have great qualities of life; that is why they live in these kinds of areas. The schools that I work with know every single child and their parents on every street in the community that they live, and this is the most important thing that they can do for their kids, and they are overwhelmingly supportive. Mr. DeFazio. Great. Thank you. Thanks for that perspective. Mr. Duncan. Mr. Duncan. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. TEA-21 required that each State establish a coordinator for bicycling and pedestrian activities. Have you seen any overlapping between the coordinator for that and the coordinator for the Safe Routes to School program? Are they doing the same type of work? Ms. Marchetti. I will be happy to address that first. I find them to be partners. The ped-bike coordinators have been in place for a while, they have a lot of understanding of how to get things done in their States in the general area, and the Safe Routes to School coordinators often work with the ped-bike coordinators. I feel that the combination of interest and passion enables both to progress even more. But I am seeing a lot of working together and not any overlap that isn't positive. Mr. Duncan. Several years ago I joined with a Democratic colleague and got a program started in the Department of Education that we originally called the Smaller Schools Initiative, and this was designed to give grants to communities to try to help them keep smaller schools open that otherwise would have had to close. The name of the program has been changed and some things have been added to it, but it was my belief then and concern that our schools were getting too big and that, in big schools, young people were just numbers and didn't have a chance to make ball teams or be presidents of clubs or cheerleaders or whatever. And I had read that in 1930 the average size school in this Country had a little over 100 students. Now, of course, it is much, much bigger, and parents keep demanding brand new schools, but then they generally make those schools bigger and further away from students. I am just wondering if there is not some way that--I think a child is better off to go to school in an older building, as long as it is clean and well lit and safe, than they are to go to some big giant school far away from their home. I am just wondering if there is some way that you can join your activities, because it is going to be harder to walk and bicycle to schools if we keep moving these schools further and further away from the students. I mean, those are just some thoughts, I guess, not really so much a question. Any comments? Ms. Hubsmith. Yes, Ranking Member Duncan. Thank you very much for bringing that up and for initiating that small schools initiative. I agree with you 100 percent that students are learning better in smaller schools, and there are studies that are supporting that as well. One of the things that we are noticing through the Safe Routes to School program and the fact that it is creating a dialogue between cities and school districts that traditionally have not communicated with each other on a regular basis is that it is helping to lead to discussions about issues such as school siting, because there has been a change in recent years. In 1970, about 50 percent of children in the United States lived within two miles of their school, and now that is only 33 percent of students. So by creating this Safe Routes to School program and opening up that dialogue, there are now discussions that are going on about school siting master plans and how that can interrelate. For example, in California, one of the things that has happened because of the Safe Routes to School program and the fact that we received a grant from the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation to focus on barriers to children walking and bicycling to school is that we are able to broaden our approach to take a look at issues such as school siting, and we have come under advisement that the California Department of Education is currently revising their application guidelines right now for school siting. So we have brought together a coalition that includes a variety of different organizations, including the California Department of Public Health, to work together with the California Department of Education and the California Department of Transportation to make sure that as the Department of Education is revising their guidelines, that they are keeping in mind the fact that transportation to the school is important and that the size of the school is important, and that we should be having incentives to renovate older schools that are within walkable neighborhoods. Mr. Duncan. Well, let me ask you this. You said today only one third live within two miles of their school. What was the front end of that statistics, in 1970? Ms. Hubsmith. Fifty percent. Mr. Duncan. Fifty percent. Well, let me just say one other thing. We have gotten this annual report and everything in there is good. I have got no criticism when I say this. But having said that, everything in there refers to documentation, data collection, evaluation, surveys, conferences, meetings, training, creation of web sites, a Safe Routes to School library, a toll-free line, e- mail, a question and answer database, all that kind of stuff. Now, what I am getting at is this. I am sure that in the creation of a new program all that had to be done, but I hope that if we have a hearing on this a year from now, we won't hear about all this surveys and studies and data collection and libraries and conferences, but what we will hear about is actual projects, actual safe routes being created. This Committee has been referred to many times over the years as the Build America Committee, and at some point we want all these studies and data collection to stop and actual highways to be built, or actual runways to be built, or actual water projects to be completed. Do you see what I am getting at? I hope that if you come back a year or two from now in a hearing we won't hear about all this paperwork and all this bureaucracy, we will hear about actual projects, actual safe routes that have been created. So I hope you will make that your goal. Ms. Marchetti. Thank you, sir. That is our report and I can explain that. You are absolutely right. What we recognize, though, is that we got started after the States were already starting their programs, having their State coordinators, and our biggest concern was that this is the one chance some communities are going to have to build something that could be there forever, and we wanted to make sure that they had the expertise and the knowledge to make their own decisions---- Mr. Duncan. But what I am saying is this: It is good that you have done all this, but now that we have done it, let's move to the next level. Let's move to the next step and let's get some actual safe routes done. Ms. Marchetti. Absolutely. Mr. Duncan. That is what I want to hear. Ms. Marchetti. We feel like we have got the information place now and it is time to get going. Mr. Duncan. You can just flood yourself with so much information and nothing ever gets done. I mean, you know, we can read about these bills and these issues for years and we can study them, but nothing ever gets done if you don't do anything but read, study, and collect data. You have got to act at some point.. Ms. Marchetti. One last thing I would like to say to support what you are saying. The other piece of paper we placed in the folders was a summary showing that early States were spending funds at 80 percent of available funding. This money is already out the door, has been awarded. Mr. Duncan. Well, as long as it is out the door, though, to create--see, if the States are doing the same thing and they are doing paperwork and creating web sites and data collection and all that. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. DeFazio. Okay. I thank the gentleman. Did I see you grasping? All right, Ms. Koch, go ahead. Ms. Koch. Yes. I just want to speak on behalf of the States. The States that have funded programs are not laden in paperwork. We have 24 projects we funded last year. Most of those are planning, but we are doing some projects that are hitting the ground, that involve construction and getting kids out there. The things that are happening with the National Center for Safe Routes to School are a low amount of funding in relation to the projects that are being created, and 40 of our States are already in the process of funding and getting projects on the ground. Mr. Duncan. Good. Thank you very much. Now I have got to, unfortunately, slip out to another hearing. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. DeFazio. I understand the gentleman has a very important hearing to go to. Thank you. Mr. Oberstar. Mr. Chairman, before the gentleman leaves, I plead guilty to insisting on the reports, the documentation, establishment of a database, tracking, and accountability. That was something I insisted on, that we would be able then to track the results of this program, leading up to exactly what the gentleman is talking about, what are the results of Safe Routes to School? Are you putting in traffic calming? Are you doing crosswalks? Are you building sidewalks, putting in traffic lights at schools? And there are numerous examples of these success stories already reported through this documentation. The program is, I think, through the documentation stage and ready, and will now be reporting on the implementation. I have a number of such projects in my own district, but I know that Ms. Marchetti's testimony, Ms. Hubsmith's testimony, and that of Ms. Koch relates several exemplary sample success stories. So the gentleman's concern is rightly taken, but I will plead guilty to the insistence on documentation because I felt it was, at the outset, to set up a documented database and a tracking for this program so that we can ave the accountability that the gentleman is asking for. Mr. Duncan. Well, I will just say this. I think the Chairman knows that nobody in the Congress admires and respects him more than I do, and if you notice that when I first started that I said I think that all that was necessary and good that we collect that; I am just saying that now I hope we don't get bogged down in the paperwork so that we don't accomplish the good things that the Chairman wanted us to accomplish through this program. Mr. Oberstar. Rightly said and rightly taken. Thank you. Mr. DeFazio. I thank the gentleman for that clarification. The gentleman from Iowa. Mr. Braley. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. For the members of the panel and members of the audience, I have the privilege of serving as the Vice Chair of this Subcommittee, which means I spend most of my time getting coffee and making copies for Mr. DeFazio. But I also am very privileged to represent the Field of Dreams, where the saying ``if you build it, they will come'' became part of our national dialogue. And I think that applies to the Safe Routes to School program. One of my big frustrations is that so many of the decisions on Safe Routes to Schools are impacted by local jurisdictions and how they have local zoning ordinances and building codes that can influence whether or not sidewalks are built on passways to schools, and one of the things I would like to hear about from the panel is what you have learned from the work that has been funded to date on this program about the intersection of Federal policies and local building codes and what additional work needs to be done to bridge that gap. But I am also very concerned about how this is playing out. I happen to represent a district that has urban schools, suburban schools, and many rural schools. Having grown up in a town of 1500 and being one of the 42 percent of students who walked or rode a bicycle to school in 1969, when I was in sixth grade, I realize that there are vastly different challenges when you are dealing with Safe Routes to School in urban areas contrasted with rural areas. So I would like to open it up to the members of the panel to comment on those two topics, and I will yield the balance of my time. Mr. Bricker. Thank you for your comments and questions. I can really only give my experience in Oregon, but I think it might relate to Iowa and other communities. In my experience, at least from the local level, the major intersection that tends to not happen is between the schools and the road authorities. The road authorities tend to be county and the city governments, and sometimes State governments, and the schools tend to have their own elected board with making independent decisions, and the coordination between the two is tenuous, at best. As a transportation advocate, for the last 10 years I have been going to transportation meetings from the State to the local to the regional. I mentioned that Oregon spends $300 million a year on school bus funding. That is a lot. That is a lot of transit service, and I never have seen school bus or school transportation represented. In my experience, the land use decisions made by schools, while it has to fit within zoning codes and whatnot of local authorities, they are not necessarily vetted in the same way that if you were a public agency, that you are going to make your decisions. The implications on the transportation system, the burden on the transportation system that schools might be generating by locating a school further out because they want a larger piece of land is not necessarily vetted through the city the way it would be if you were responsible for both the roads and the schools. So, in my experience--and I am less experienced about how the Federal policies work within that, but that intersection is one of the major things that is missing from just a political standpoint. I don't know how it works in Iowa, but in Oregon the school bus funding goes all through the State. So every school district is reimbursed between 70 percent and 90 percent of their school bus funding, whether you spend $1 or $1 million or $10 million. The incentive to actually reduce the school busing cost is very low. So even if you build a new school and it doubles your school busing cost, if you are only paying 30 percent or 20 percent of those costs, there is not much incentive to bring that school back. So that is my experience, and I don't know if that helps at all. Ms. Koch. Speaking on behalf of a State DOT, I just want to thank you for your input and let you know that in the State of Kansas, when we do cite reviews to fund programs, one of the most important questions we ask is if they have local subdivision regulations that support this program. If we build something and then they build new subdivisions and they don't have any requirements for modernization of their roadway facilities or sidewalk improvements or improvements at intersections, then we are going to lose that program once it gets into that neighborhood. So that is a very important part of our decision-making process, to ensure that what we start with our seed money is encouraged through their city-wide and county funding. Also, Kansas does have very stringent guidelines for this program, so I can't speak on behalf of all State DOT programs, but we take that very seriously. Mr. DeFazio. Thank you. And I thank the gentleman for that question. The gentleman from North Carolina. Mr. Coble. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I regret that the gentleman from Iowa admitted he was in the sixth grade in 1969. That is very demoralizing. What did you say, Mr. Chairman? Mr. DeFazio. You weren't even born then, were you, Howard? Mr. Coble. No comment. Good to have you all with us. Ms. Marchetti, in your testimony you included a breakdown of program activity from various States, but our State was not included. Can you give us some information as to how the program has been implemented in North Carolina and the results thereof? Ms. Marchetti. Yes, sir, thank you. North Carolina was off to a great start in the example of the pedestrian and bicycle coordinator working with the Safe Routes to School coordinator. That was going quite well. Unfortunately, the person who was in the position, who had already started doing a lot of training across the State, had to leave the position and a new person has started, and that is one of the reasons why North Carolina's results don't show up as a lot of other States do. However, the commitment of the pedestrian and bicycle coordinator, combined with the new Safe Routes to School coordinator, they have already started doing programs and we are going to start seeing some things on the ground very shortly. Mr. Coble. Thank you. Ms. Hubsmith, do you have data that supports your statement that the Safe Routes to School program will decrease energy use and reduce carbon emissions? I don't doubt that that is accurate, but do you have data to support that? Ms. Hubsmith. Thank you very much for asking. The program has been proven to decrease the number of cars that are arriving at some schools, and by decreasing the number of cars, calculations can be made that energy is being saved and carbon emissions are being reduced. These are the types of things that we are looking to be able to calculate more fully as the program is implemented more in the future, and it is one of the reasons why we put in place the rigorous tracking system. My information from this is coming from many programs that have been implemented in California that has had a program for many years and has shown that we are decreasing the number of cars that are coming to schools and then, by proxy, energy and carbon emissions are being decreased as well. Mr. Coble. I thank you for that. Mr. Bricker or Ms. Koch, either one, I am told that parents, in many instances, have expressed concern that their children may be at risk, as far as safety is concerned, while biking or walking to school. How can the Safe Routes to School program address those concerns? Ms. Koch. This is certainly what we are seeing in a lot of our data that we collect from parents, that they have concerns about traffic safety. But a lot of those concerns that they have are about personal safety, about kidnapping or bullying, or other things that they can't prevent if they are not there. Something that we really promote with the Safe Routes to School program are group walking or biking, Walking School Bus programs, bicycle trains, where children are accompanied to school with adults that the parents know, adults that have gone through background checks, so that they know that they are legitimate volunteers of the school district or the city, that they have obligation to get those kids to school safely and consistently. That is one way that we do it. We understand this is a concern. We honor that concern those parents have and we work with our local communities to ensure that they have the set of skills they need to create programs that meet those concerns and that the kids can still get there walking and biking. Mr. Coble. Do you want to add anything to that, Mr. Bricker? Mr. Bricker. She did a great job. Mr. Coble. Good. Mr. Marchetti, you indicate that between 5 percent and 51 percent of students live within walking distance to their schools. Let me put a two-part question to you. How do you define walking distance, and why is the range so wide that it is 5 percent to 51 percent? Ms. Marchetti. Thank you, sir. The walking distance is considered one mile, especially for younger children. Mr. Coble. One mile? Ms. Marchetti. One mile is walking distance to school. Bicycling distance is considered more, two to three miles. The range is because we still have some community schools, we still have some consolidated schools. The point there is that there are some schools where as many as 50 percent of the children, with proper environment and encouragement, could be walking and we could be reducing the congestion around the school. I would like to make a quick comment about when we were talking about school siting. We used to have schools that had an average of 150 students per school. We have gone to such extremes that one State had a campus so large that they were busing students from one building to the other. That State has since rescinded their acreage rules for schools. What we would like to see is go away from the 5 percent schools and go more to the larger percent that could be walking and biking. Mr. Coble. Mr. Chairman, if I could ask one more question. I know my red light is on. To any of the panelists, what percentage of school children walked to school or biked to school prior to the implementation of the Safe Routes to School program, and what is the percentage today, if you know that? Ms. Marchetti. I will take that question. It is a very good question. Unfortunately, it is a question everyone would like to have answered, and we are just now in the process of trying to figure it out. The tally forms that we have produced would enable schools to ask students two days during a one-week period a year how did you get to school, and this way we would be the first to start getting that kind of information. If we can get comparison sites, then we would be able to understand what schools who haven't had this opportunity are experiencing versus what the schools that do have the opportunity. So we are in the process of understanding that, but that is a universal question that people have been asking and wanting to find solutions to. Mr. Coble. If you could get that to us, we would appreciate that. Thank you. Ms. Marchetti. Yes. Mr. Coble. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. DeFazio. I thank the gentleman. I would just ask the gentleman she said the biking distance was three to five miles. I was wondering on the penny-farthing bikes in the gentleman's day, how far could you ride one of those big things? Mr. Coble. The gentleman from Oregon is giving me a hard time, but he is doing it with a smile on his face. [Laughter.] Mr. DeFazio. Mr. Baird, do you have any questions? Mr. Baird. Just very briefly. I just came back from a weekend in London and noticed a tremendous amount of people bicycle commuting. Forgive me for coming in late, but have you talked about how our kids get to school relative to young people in other nations? Where do we stand? If you have already covered it, forgive me for asking. I am familiar with Holland and other places. Everybody is riding bikes. In London, we just saw lots of bikes on the streets, and this was on the city streets. Ms. Marchetti. I would like to make a quick comment on that. I was just at a conference yesterday in Toronto on Active and Safe Routes to School. It was an international conference and, oddly enough, people from the U.K. and Canada were asking how we were getting our good program started. They do have great experiences, but they are also starting to see some problems coming up. One of the issues that we discussed yesterday was that as they make it easier for parents to drop off their kids in cars, they are seeing a decrease in walking and biking. They are very concerned about that and looking for solutions. So we are all sort of on a continuum. They had early successes. Then, they did something that is reducing their successes, and we are hopefully learning from each other that way. Mr. Baird. We had a hearing on a Committee I Chair, Research and Science Subcommittee, on how social sciences inform energy consumption policies, and very subtle differences in the wording of persuasive messages can make 30 percent, 40 percent differences in such mundane things as recycling towels in hotels. Are you incorporating any social science research in your strategy to encourage use of bikes or walking to school? [No response.] Mr. Baird. That is not a good sign. Ms. Koch. I guess I can speak to that. A lot of what we do is trying to change social behaviors, and if we can make walking or biking social activities, activities that have positive connotations, rather than negative connotations, we find research that shows that when people see adult pedestrians or adult bicyclists, they have negative connotations about those people: that they are poor, that they don't have access to vehicles, that they are part of our society that we are throwing away. If we can change that through positive messages at a young age, then we can incorporate that as they get older and make it a more positive message so that people will want to walk or bike, they will choose that. The most important thing we do with Safe Routes to School is enable people to make a choice. We don't want to force anyone to do anything, but we want to give them that opportunity so that they can make lifetime behavioral changes. Mr. Bricker. If I may follow up, Mr. Baird. In Portland we started working on a program called Smart Trips--it is actually a European program that had a slightly different name--and for the last four years in Portland bicycling has been increasing exponentially. We have a pretty well built-out bicycle network, and in the last four years we have been promoting the bicycle network, as opposed to substantially increasing the bicycle network, and what we have found is that by just giving messages to households that there is a significant reduction in automobile trips; just by asking people are you interested, and then when they say, yes, I am interested, giving them more information and support. And I truthfully forget the data, but it is something like a decrease of 9 percent in automobile trips and, as I mentioned bicycling is increasing exponentially. In Portland right now, a lot of the effort is marketing. We are also, at the same time, learning new strategies. We have learned that people prefer to bicycle in larger numbers together. We have learned that people prefer to bicycle in low traffic streets, as opposed to the really busy streets, so we are talking on new strategies to even try to increase. So I think part of this is that, really, we are in sort of a young profession, really, in 1991, in ISTEA, where we really started working on bicycling. So some of this stuff is young, but I think that we are getting some data collection. Ms. Hubsmith. And if I just may add, I think we all needed to think for a moment because it was such a good question. One of the hallmarks of this program is that it gives flexibility to the DOTs to fund infrastructure improvements between 70 percent and 90 percent, and non-infrastructure improvements between 10 percent and 30 percent. So the DOTs are working together, and many of them, even though it is not a Federal requirement, have formed advisory committees. In fact, 36 of the States have formed advisory committees that bring together the Department of Public Health with Education with law enforcement in order to work on issues such as that. Many times, Departments of Public Health have done a lot of research around messaging, which is why it is really important to bring them in. At the local level, as well, the program is based on the five Es, and every community determines how to implement those Es, which are Evaluation, Education, Encouragement, Enforcement, and Engineering. And while a program is different whether it is in a rural area, suburban area, or an urban area, the common practice is bringing the community together to address how to realize those five Es, and with Evaluation being the first one, it is really important to survey the parents as to what it would make them do to change their behavior. So messaging is often incorporated on the State level, on the local level based on the concerns of the community, and then also based on the grade level that you are working with. We found that this program serves K through 8. The K through 5 children, elementary school, are reacting in many ways to their parents, so messaging is detailed a lot more toward the parents. When you get toward middle school, many times you will work through student leadership groups to have the students develop the messages and then to bring those messages to their students, because they are very influenced from their peers. So there is a lot of work that is being done with that to tailor the messaging. Thank you. Mr. Baird. I appreciate that very much. That is good news. I would just encourage, also, to look at the literature in this field. One of the studies that we had--and my staff will get you this, but a gentleman was looking at--I mentioned about towel usage in hotels. Well, they were able to increase towel recycling by 34 percent by just changing the message, and here is the take-home point that is troubling: none of the messages that they found most effective were actually being used by any of the hotels. The hotels were saying if you recycle your towels, you will save energy, you will save the planet, the world would be a better place, we sing Kumbaya, basically. What they found was that the most effective message was everybody else is doing it, you don't want to be the guy who isn't. I mean, that is paraphrased, but the point being wrong messaging can actually be counterproductive, even if you think it is right. And if we have got some good literature on this, good data, empirical studies would actually put different messages. They actually found, similarly, at Petrified National Forest, the signs that were intended to cause people to not take petrified rocks from the forest actually increased theft; whereas, a different version actually decreased it. So you want to be careful and hopefully disseminate that. Thank you. Mr. DeFazio. I thank the gentleman for that observation. Mr. Dent. Mr. Dent. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am fascinated by this whole conversation here, about how to encourage students to walk or bike to school, do it safely. I mean, my own household is a classic example of this. My children take the bus to school, even though I try to tell them it is only a couple hundred yards further to the school to walk. You are going in the right direction and I lose all these articles at home, so I realize what you are up against trying to persuade people. But it has been a continuing frustration for me, just in my own household, to talk about the benefits of walking to school when, in fact, it seems to be socially fun to ride the bus, as opposed to walk. These are just the issues that I face in my household. Yours are much greater. I just wanted to ask you a question, Ms. Hubsmith, if I could. You may have touched on this already, and if you have, I apologize. Do you have any kind of quantitative data that can support your statement that Safe Routes to School programs will decrease energy use and reduce carbon emissions? Do you have any data on that up to this point? Ms. Hubsmith. At this point, right now, what we are doing is we are gathering data, and my statement about that was based on some of the early implementation of programs prior to SAFETEA-LU. In California we have seen that the program has increased walking and biking in the range of 20 percent to 200 percent and has improved safety up to 49 percent. By increasing the walking and biking, we have decreased the number of automobile trips, and calculations can be made about the miles that students are from school and, as a result, how much energy and how much carbon is being decreased. Through the tracking system that the National Center for Safe Routes to School is putting in place, we will be able to learn much more about how this pans out with the implementation of the SAFETEA-LU program, and we look forward to providing more of that hard data to you in the future, which is one of the reasons why we have worked so hard on evaluation and data. I would add that one of the things I mentioned in my earlier testimony is that we would really like to work together with Congress to have even more rigorous systems for data collection, and we feel that we can be collecting data as part of the census, as part of the National Household Travel Survey, and also finding ways, when FHWA collects data from States, to add in more information about collecting data related to schools. We know that Congress is moving more toward a performance-based analysis for transportation systems, and we are all in favor of that. We would really like to have your help in terms of being able to further quantify these things because we know they are working. Mr. Dent. Also with respect to quantifiable data, I think you stated that up to 30 percent of the morning rush hour traffic is generated by parents who are driving their children to schools. You said that earlier, did you not? Ms. Hubsmith. I did. Thank you. These are data that come from local communities, it is not data that is collected at the State level. In Marin County, California, where I am from, they determined that between 21 percent and 27 percent in the morning traffic is parents driving their children to school. That is from the Transportation Authority of Marin. Similarly, in Santa Rosa, their traffic engineer says it is the same number. And we are seeing similar types of studies in other communities. These are done on a community-by-community type basis because the data is not supported at the State level yet. Mr. Dent. I don't doubt the data, it seems logical to me, just my observations dealing with taking kids to school and watching the morning traffic patterns in my community. I wouldn't be surprised by that number. But I guess the follow-up to that would be if these parents are dropping their children off on the way to way to work or to run some other errand, do you think this program is going to have a real impact on reducing congestion? Ms. Hubsmith. I do think that it will. In fact, in Marin County, California, what we were able to see is that, consecutively, every year we have seen a 13-point percent decrease in traffic congestion around the schools because we are reversing the way that children are coming to school. By making it safer for students to walk and bicycle, and especially by incorporating improvements like the Walking School Bus, where one parent will walk with the group of children together, coupled with engineering improvements and adding in law enforcement, police officers that are out there on the street and enforcing the speed limit, we are able to show a decrease in traffic congestion around schools, which also then improves air quality, and it creates sort of a cyclic effect because as more people begin walking and bicycling, others begin to want to do it as well, and it is really something that helps create a positive momentum within the community when we get law enforcement and other infrastructure improvements involved. Mr. Dent. Well, thank you. This panel has done a great job of informing me so I can go back home at the end of this week and instruct my children and wife that it is better to walk to school, for a lot of reasons that you have identified. Now I have empirical data to back it up, so thank you for that. I yield back. Mr. DeFazio. The gentleman might consult with the resident psychologist on the most persuasive techniques for that messaging. Mr. Dent. I have already done so. Mr. DeFazio. Oh, okay. All right. I turn now to the Full Committee Chairman, Mr. Oberstar, for his questions. Mr. Oberstar. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Dent, thank you for those questions and comments, and for your own personal experience. I will give you an example from Sacramento, where my son lives. Son Ted, when he was in high school, was a trainer for the football team and he wanted to drive the family car to practice. I put a backpack on my back, got on my bike, and pedaled with him to school to show him it could be done. He is now a father of two. He gets on his bike with my granddaughter, Kathryn Jo, and they pedal from their home about a block and pick up Kathryn's friend, Sierra, and then they pedal another block and they pick up their friend Jackson, for Jackson Hole--this is California; they are named for mountain ranges and things--and then they pick up another couple of children and then they cross this 100-foot street to the school, and Ted then pedals on to CalTrans, California Transportation Department, where he works. What do you suppose Kathryn is going to be doing 20 years from now? She is going to be biking with her children to school. And in the process, crossing that 100-foot street, Ted observed that the apartments and condos and single-family homes on the one side, children were being bused less than a quarter of a mile, just the example that you gave, to this school. He said, that is crazy, why are they doing this? So he met with the city planning department to get a traffic calming and traffic lights and they said, oh, we can't do it, we don't have the money. So Ted figured out how to do it. And he also went out and got a city councilman elected, school board member elected, and a mayor elected to enforce all these things, and they changed it. They now have traffic calming, they have traffic lights, the kids from the apartments and so on are now biking and walking to school. It takes a lot, but you can change the habits. Mr. Bricker. Will the Chairman yield? Mr. Oberstar. I yield to the gentleman. Mr. Bricker. One thing I have noticed about this issue, from a personal perspective, is my wife is concerned about security. There seems to be more security in going to the bus stop than walking to the school, even though I can see my child just walk to the door, practically. But there is some fear that something could happen on the streets. When I went to school, I always walked to school out of sight of my parents and much greater distances, but because of our society and the criminal element out there, there is such a fear among many parents. There seems to be security in numbers in the buses. I am not sure how you overcome that, but I am trying to talk to that psychologist for my wife to see if she can overcome some of those fears. It is just an issue that I just wanted to share with you. Mr. Oberstar. Absolutely, and that is why we started out with--maybe we have to change the term to Securer Routes to School, because that really is what it is all about. When I was a elementary and junior and senior high school student walking to school, the worst we had to fear was an errant snowball being thrown in our direction. But not so anymore. The question has been asked what are the success stories, and Mr. Duncan raised the question about studies and reports. The education and the engineering part of the five E's are foundational activities. You have to develop the database. You have to do the engineering. You have to do the education. As we learn from the Marin County experience and the Arlington, Massachusetts experience, you have to develop a base of information, design engineering and find the trouble spots, the traffic obstacles, the security questions, and address those with the infrastructure changes that are needed, with the training of students to safe practices in both walking and cycling, and then implement the infrastructure changes that are needed: sidewalks, traffic lights at key crossing areas, lowering traffic lights to eye level for walkers and cyclers. All those are in the works. This is foundational. But in Deb Hubsmith's testimony there are at least four pages of success stories. In Idaho, until recently, children had no choice but to walk in the street because there were no sidewalks. There are now sidewalks being built. That makes a huge difference. In Michigan, 223 schools training 547 people in 100 school districts. More than half of the counties of Michigan are engaged in this foundational work of training, changing mind- sets, changing attitudes. That is hard to do, to change people's attitudes, especially about walking and biking to school, but those things are being done. In Missouri, 160 children, six schools register for the Walking School Bus program and walk to school every day on 14 different routes. In Two Harbors, on the north shore of Lake Superior, in my congressional district, the city has had a school right on the shore of Lake Superior, spectacular view, but it is an 80 year old school building. They built a new one inland, on the other side of a major highway. Most of the people live on the east side of that highway. But the students said build us a trail, a round trip, so that we can bike and walk to school and come home by a different route, and with the help of some funding and in TEA-21 and SAFETEA-LU, that two mile bike trail and walking trail has been built, and it is in constant use. And when the kids are in school, the parents are out using the trail. I see them every time I get up to Two Harbors. In the southern end of my district, in Cambridge and Isanti, two small towns--well, Cambridge is not so small by our standards, it is 6,000 people now; Isanti is about 1,500, 2,000. But the children from Isanti go to school in Cambridge, four miles away. What separates them is a wildlife waterfall wetland, otherwise known as a swamp. Well, they said why can't we bike and walk to school? And if we could go through the wetland, it would also be interesting. And now they are doing that with an elevated wood four mile facility. Well, it is about two miles of elevated wood pathway, with appropriate railings, and then paved asphalt on the other ends. They love it. They are excited to get to school, to talk about muskrats and herons and geese and ducks that the have seen on the way. This is exciting and it is changing habits, and they are healthier and they are ready to learn when they get to school. In Marin County, Ms. Hubsmith, you didn't state at all the success story. Tell us when you started Safe Routes to School and the percentage now that are participating. Ms. Hubsmith. Thank you, Chairman Oberstar. When we started the pilot program back in the year 2000, about 21 percent of children were walking and bicycling to school, and in my testimony I indicated that at the end of that first year there was a 64 percent increase in the number of students walking, a 114 percent increase in the number of students bicycling, a 91 percent increase in car-pooling, and a 39 percent decrease in the number of students arriving by private car carrying only one student. And I will add that after the one year of funding from the Federal Government, the county did not want the program to end, so what happened after that was that the Marin Community Foundation chipped in some funding in order to make it possible to continue. Then the Bay Area Air Quality Management District provided a few years of funding. Then the funding was going to end because all of these funding streams were only allowed for one or two years. The county was looking for a way to deal with our aging infrastructure and was going to be launching a transportation sales tax in order to deal largely with roads and transit, and one of the things that they polled upon was how would people like to support a measure that included Safe Routes to School and enable that program to continue so it could be safe. It was one of the highest things that came up in the community poll. So they ended up dedicating 11 percent of the transportation sales taxing to the program. So our Marin County program is now in 45 of our schools, which is two thirds of our schools, and we are seeing a regular amount of decrease in the number of cars that are arriving at schools as a result of the program. It has been very successful and we are very grateful to have had the opportunity to work with the Federal Government to do that pilot. There has been a 13 percent decrease. And if you go to the web site tam.ca.gov, and then click under Programs for Safe Routes to School, there is about a 50 page evaluation report that substantiates how that has happened. Mr. Oberstar. Those are just striking numbers and exciting numbers, and the goal is to replicate them all around the Country, and as the foundational work takes hold, the education work and all, that is going to happen. Mr. Bricker, I was struck by your observation that Oregon spends $300 million a year on bus transportation, over 50 percent of children are driven to school. I never thought about that. If we can reduce the amount of money that States and school districts are spending on school bus transportation. We, in fact, did get a good deal of push-back from the bus drivers organization and from private school bus companies that contract with school districts to provide schools: oh, you are going to take our business away from us. Well, I hope so. I hope so. But I have never seen it quantified before, and you have provided a great service to us. Have you heard any such push-back from the private or public school bus operators? Mr. Bricker. Well, Chairman Oberstar, I appreciate the opportunity to talk about this. This is one of those issues, as a bicycle advocate and lobbyist, and a pedestrian advocate and someone who is in the Capitol, this is something that is very, very challenging, as you can imagine. There is a lot of money in school busing, $300 million, and there is a desire to make sure that every kid can get to school safely. So I want to acknowledge that every student should be able to get to school, and I believe that when the law in Oregon that basically required school busing was created, it was out of creation for every child to be able to get to school. However, the school bus fund is not eligible to fund--well, it is not clearly eligible to fund transportation projects that would reduce the cost, and I do believe we have not had success working with the school bus lobby on trying to shift some of those dollars. So if only 1 percent of those funds went, we would triple the amount of money we are getting for Safe Routes to School, and if 10 percent, if we had $30 million a year to increase safety for schools around Oregon, we could significantly reduce the ongoing costs for school bus transportation. And the other thing to note on school bus transportation is the school buses are only half full. The way that they are created, they do these routes and half of the time kids are driven to school and half of the time they get on the bus. So, really, from a performance standpoint, it is not very clear how effective those funds are being used. So while school bus is a very safe way to get to school, an important way for kids who live miles and miles away from school, within the areas of one, two, or three miles, many kids are getting driven to school and many kids are getting bused because of the safety improvements. If we were able to flex some of those dollars, we would be able to reduce long-term costs, and I think that that would have appeal to most decision-makers. Mr. Oberstar. Thank you very much. I will yield to the gentleman from Oregon. Mr. DeFazio. I thank the gentleman for yielding. Unfortunately, the No Child Left Behind Act may have a provision which will actually increase the use of busing, rather than decrease it, in that it mandates that if you are in a school that is deemed to be failing under AYP, the school actually has to set aside a trust fund, basically, that would be used to bus the kids to another school of their choice. I actually had the unfortunate experience of being at a school where the principal was in the process of laying off 24 paraprofessional educators because their salary, instead of being used to help educate the kids to help them succeed, had to be set aside for a fund to pay for the cost of busing to send kids to another school. And, by the way, that other school didn't have to have demonstrated any better success with that same population. So No Child Left Behind may actually, paradoxically, increase busing to other schools and, thereby, all the other side effects we have talked about today. Mr. Oberstar. Maybe we can change this to No Bicyclist Left Behind. I thank you for that observation. One final comment, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Koch, I really appreciate your comments and observations about the experience in Kansas, physical changes around the school zone, soft-side elements, encouragement programs. Flexible nature of the program, that is what we intended it to be. We gave flexibility and you have shown how, in Kansas, that flexibility is serving the needs of constituents and tailoring the program to the varying needs of differing size communities. And I appreciate your observation about application to tribal governments, and I will follow up further on that matter. But your final paragraph, local communities, small town in Southeastern Kansas, why do they want this Safe Routes to School program? Because their city of 1500 people is on the verge of dying, and that a Safe Routes to School program would encourage families to move to the town to raise their children, and you create a--you call it a livability, I call it quality of life issue. If we can achieve that around this Nation, we will have accomplished something extraordinary. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. DeFazio. I thank the gentleman for his leadership and for that inspiring statement. Mrs. Capito. Mrs. Capito. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Very interesting topic, Safe Routes to School. I represent West Virginia, and the trend in the educational system over the last, I would say, 20 years has been to consolidate schools to where, instead of an elementary school where you might have 150, 200 students, you might have as many as 800, 900 students. While that is a little rare in a State like West Virginia, I know in some of the larger, more urban areas it is very likely to be happening. So I think that presents challenges for anybody seeking to walk or have a bike route to the school. Do you find this to be a particular challenge? I will just throw the question open to anybody who might like to answer it. Ms. Hubsmith. Yes, thank you. This is a big challenge, and through surveys that have been done by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, distance is the number one reason that there is an obstacle for walking or bicycling to school, and certainly the consolidation of schools and putting them further out on the edges of communities is something that is contributing toward the problem. There was an interesting analogy that was made from a colleague at the EPA that has talked about school siting, because if you look at the Safe Routes to School program, there are $612 million that is being spent nationally on the program over five years. If you look at the cost of school construction and siting schools, it is much, much greater than that. And he asked the question can the tail wag the dog, and, in effect, what we are doing is we are seeing that that is happening in some ways, that just the discussions that are being created at the State level, among the Department of Education and the Department of Transportation and the Department of Health around Safe Routes to School and the impacts of school siting and school consolidation, because we have this Federal funding and we are charging State DOTs with creating a program, that is influencing regulations that are being related to school siting. And because the program focuses on the five E's at the local level, discussions need to be had with the school districts and the cities, who often don't speak with each other. I mean, many times you will have a school district that decides to site its school in a certain location, and they don't consult with the city's master plan and their general plan before making that happen. This program, this small program is really creating those conversations, and hopefully one of the goals we can have emerge out of this as a positive consequence is that there can be more effort that is brought forward about the decisions of school siting, what that means in terms of walkability, what that means in terms of the neighborhood, what that means in terms of students' ability to be able to learn. So we are hoping that the tail can wag the dog and change the habits of a generation. Ms. Marchetti. I would like to just briefly add to her comments. Observing at the national level what is going on in all the States, as a lot of communities were rushing toward building the larger schools, some communities are rushing back, because they are recognizing, what we thought was a good idea for these reasons have other unintended consequences that we don't like. So some of what I am hearing is, you know, when we compare refurbishing this school with building this new school, nobody ever factors in transportation costs. That changes things. Other places are saying, you know, if we take this downtown school and refurbish it and include a library, a YMCA, a childcare center, whatever, we have created a community cluster that benefits everyone. So there is a lot of innovation out there right now; we have just got to get the word out. People are recognizing that accomplishing one good sometimes does some other things that you really never thought about. Mrs. Capito. I think that is an excellent point, and I do see that trend in my community of rather than trying to go to four schools together, maybe refining the schools that are existing. I was thinking about my own experience growing up. I mean, it just struck me. I used to walk to school, but I also walked home for lunch and walked back to school. And when I tell my own children that, they can't believe that you can--I remember my mother made pancakes sometimes for lunch; they were so good. In any event, I think another challenge for students, particularly in the elementary school area, is the latchkey kid phenomenon, where, if a child is coming home after school, if they are walking home or biking home, more on their own without--I mean, our buses would not drop our kindergarten students unless I was standing there or an adult was standing there. That has got to be a challenge in terms of trying to develop programs around all the different times that people are home and putting that responsibility on the child to remember, well, I can't really walk today because mom and dad aren't going to be home. I am sure you deal with this, trying to develop this program. Do you have any insight into that? Ms. Marchetti. The only insight I have is that, when I get bogged down in these thoughts sometimes and think, oh, there are so many issues and so many concerns, I look to the community level, they figure things out in ways I never would have thought of. They are creating groups of kids that walk together. They are creating community service projects where high school students walk with the kids and actually do some mentoring of them on other issues as well. We need to gather these examples and get them out there, because it is at the very local level that the most amazing ideas are coming. Mrs. Capito. Thank you. I yield back. Mr. DeFazio. Mr. Cohen. Mr. Cohen. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank you and Chairman Oberstar for all your work on this project; it certainly is something that is good for the American people and for children. Children need protection at all levels. I did not have the experience Chairman Oberstar had. I went to school in Memphis and in Florida and in California, and I walked, but we didn't have snowball problems. [Laughter.] Mr. Cohen. We did have problems sometimes with the Federal Express jets flying over and bothering our hearing, but other than that it was all right. But walking to school was a good experience, and you need kids to learn. My State Senator is here, State Senator Beverly Marrero, and I would just like to ask the panel. Much of this is administrative, but are there legislative initiatives that any of you all are familiar with that she could take back to Tennessee in promoting safety, either pedestrian or bicycle, for kids and safe routes? Yes, sir. Mr. Bricker. Thank you, Mr. Cohen. In Oregon we have passed a couple of different efforts trying to basically create the discussion. We, in the creation of our Safe Routes action plans, we require that schools work with the city or the county. So just the actual having people who are city and county engineers, who understand the roadway systems, working with the people who understand children and the kind of ebb and flow of the school, is something that needs to happen, and in that process you get parents and the community on board. So we actually have legislative that our Safe Routes to School action plans would require that partnership to take place. We also, in this last legislation session, required that any new schools to be constructed or major renovation of the school would have to launch a Safe Routes action plan that has these stipulations in it as well. So when you are looking at some of these issues--and I think that potentially looking forward, when you consolidate a school you should be required to look at the transportation implications. And when I say transportation, I mean safety as well, and looking at actually walking around with the folks in some community. Ms. Hubsmith. Congressman, I have three ideas for you related to State legislation that might be possible. One is with the issue related to school siting. I don't know off the top of my head what the regulations are in Tennessee, but several States have minimum acreage requirements and indicate that if you are going to locate a high school, it needs to be on a tract of land that has 30 acres. We recommend that there be a removal of those minimum acreage standards, because that often drives the schools to be on the edges of communities. In addition, many States have regulations called the two thirds rule. If it costs more than two thirds to build a new school than it would be to retrofit an old school, they encourage building of the new school instead. It would be a good idea to take those regulations off the books to evaluate each school site and plan on its merits, so you can work to create the neighborhood schools. A second idea is the fact that relates to that there are many more applications for Safe Routes to School funding as there is funding available, and the Federal funding is often quite flexible. Through SAFETEA-LU, Congress created a provision for the creation of a strategic highway safety plan in every State, and each State is analyzing data-driven analyses for how injuries and fatalities take place. On a national level, 13.5 percent of injuries and fatalities are bicyclists and pedestrians. Something that your State could do is take a look at the percentage of bicycle and pedestrian injuries in your State and create a fair share for safety and guarantee that that percentage of your safety funds goes towards bicycle and pedestrian improvements, including Safe Routes to School. Finally, another provision is called Complete Streets. Many States and municipalities are moving forward to create this right now, and what this is is a requirement that every roadway, as it is being constructed, or any transit project that is being constructed would consider the needs of bicyclists and pedestrians simultaneously. And this is really a good use of taxpayer dollars, because as you are planning for transportation infrastructure, we want to plan for people who are walking, bicycling, who are disabled, who are elderly, who are taking transit and who are using automobiles, and by actually putting legislation in effect that requires this consideration helps to lead toward the construction of more comprehensive projects that serve the needs of all users and don't have to be retrofitted at a later date. Mr. Cohen. Thank you. I want to thank both of you and ask LA, who is here, Mr. Houston, to get with you all and get some notes about your legislation. You know, this is such a good program, a lot with obesity. We have got a problem with obesity with kids, and that is because they are taking a bus or driving, rather than walking or bicycling. That is part of it. You know, you get into the lobbies. You mentioned the bus folks. They don't want to give up their money. You know, all kind of things get involved, and we really need to look after the kids first. I thank you all for your testimony, and we will try to implement some of these things in Tennessee. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Chairman Oberstar. Mr. DeFazio. Okay, I will thank the gentleman. I want to thank the panel. I think that what we have shown, we have laid a very solid foundation for an extraordinarily successful program over the final years of the SAFETEA-LU bill, and I think it is something upon which we will be able to build in future authorizations and hopefully expand. So thank you for your time and your testimony. The Committee is now adjourned. 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