[House Hearing, 110 Congress] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] AIRLINE AND AIRPORT HOLIDAY TRAVEL PREPARATIONS ======================================================================= (110-88) HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON AVIATION OF THE COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED TENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION __________ NOVEMBER 15, 2007 __________ Printed for the use of the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure ____ U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 38-920 WASHINGTON : 2007 _____________________________________________________________________________ For Sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512-1800; (202) 512�091800 Fax: (202) 512�092104 Mail: Stop IDCC, Washington, DC 20402�090001 COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE JAMES L. OBERSTAR, Minnesota, Chairman NICK J. RAHALL, II, West Virginia, JOHN L. MICA, Florida Vice Chair DON YOUNG, Alaska PETER A. DeFAZIO, Oregon THOMAS E. PETRI, Wisconsin JERRY F. COSTELLO, Illinois HOWARD COBLE, North Carolina ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON, District of JOHN J. DUNCAN, Jr., Tennessee Columbia WAYNE T. GILCHREST, Maryland JERROLD NADLER, New York VERNON J. EHLERS, Michigan CORRINE BROWN, Florida STEVEN C. LaTOURETTE, Ohio BOB FILNER, California RICHARD H. BAKER, Louisiana EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, Texas FRANK A. LoBIONDO, New Jersey GENE TAYLOR, Mississippi JERRY MORAN, Kansas ELIJAH E. CUMMINGS, Maryland GARY G. MILLER, California ELLEN O. TAUSCHER, California ROBIN HAYES, North Carolina LEONARD L. BOSWELL, Iowa HENRY E. BROWN, Jr., South TIM HOLDEN, Pennsylvania Carolina BRIAN BAIRD, Washington TIMOTHY V. JOHNSON, Illinois RICK LARSEN, Washington TODD RUSSELL PLATTS, Pennsylvania MICHAEL E. CAPUANO, Massachusetts SAM GRAVES, Missouri JULIA CARSON, Indiana BILL SHUSTER, Pennsylvania TIMOTHY H. BISHOP, New York JOHN BOOZMAN, Arkansas MICHAEL H. MICHAUD, Maine SHELLEY MOORE CAPITO, West BRIAN HIGGINS, New York Virginia RUSS CARNAHAN, Missouri JIM GERLACH, Pennsylvania JOHN T. SALAZAR, Colorado MARIO DIAZ-BALART, Florida GRACE F. NAPOLITANO, California CHARLES W. DENT, Pennsylvania DANIEL LIPINSKI, Illinois TED POE, Texas DORIS O. MATSUI, California DAVID G. REICHERT, Washington NICK LAMPSON, Texas CONNIE MACK, Florida ZACHARY T. SPACE, Ohio JOHN R. `RANDY' KUHL, Jr., New MAZIE K. HIRONO, Hawaii York BRUCE L. BRALEY, Iowa LYNN A WESTMORELAND, Georgia JASON ALTMIRE, Pennsylvania CHARLES W. BOUSTANY, Jr., TIMOTHY J. WALZ, Minnesota Louisiana HEATH SHULER, North Carolina JEAN SCHMIDT, Ohio MICHAEL A. ACURI, New York CANDICE S. MILLER, Michigan HARRY E. MITCHELL, Arizona THELMA D. DRAKE, Virginia CHRISTOPHER P. CARNEY, Pennsylvania MARY FALLIN, Oklahoma JOHN J. HALL, New York VERN BUCHANAN, Florida STEVE KAGEN, Wisconsin STEVE COHEN, Tennessee JERRY McNERNEY, California LAURA A. RICHARDSON, California (ii) ? Subcommittee on Aviation JERRY F. COSTELLO, Illinois, Chairman BOB FILNER, California THOMAS E. PETRI, Wisconsin LEONARD L. BOSWELL, Iowa HOWARD COBLE, North Carolina RICK LARSEN, Washington JOHN J. DUNCAN, Jr., Tennessee RUSS CARNAHAN, Missouri VERNON J. EHLERS, Michigan JOHN T. SALAZAR, Colorado STEVEN C. LaTOURETTE, Ohio DANIEL LIPINSKI, Illinois FRANK A. LoBIONDO, New Jersey NICK LAMPSON, Texas JERRY MORAN, Kansas ZACHARY T. SPACE, Ohio ROBIN HAYES, North Carolina BRUCE L. BRALEY, Iowa SAM GRAVES, Missouri HARRY E. MITCHELL, Arizona JOHN BOOZMAN, Arkansas JOHN J. HALL, New York, Vice Chair SHELLEY MOORE CAPITO, West STEVE KAGEN, Wisconsin Virginia STEVE COHEN, Tennessee JIM GERLACH, Pennsylvania NICK J. RAHALL, II, West Virginia MARIO DIAZ-BALART, Florida PETER A. DeFAZIO, Oregon CHARLES W. DENT, Pennsylvania ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON, District of TED POE, Texas Columbia DAVID G. REICHERT, Washington CORRINE BROWN, Florida CONNIE MACK, Florida EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, Texas JOHN R. `RANDY' KUHL, Jr., New ELLEN O. TAUSCHER, California York TIM HOLDEN, Pennsylvania LYNN A WESTMORELAND, Georgia MICHAEL E. CAPUANO, Massachusetts MARY FALLIN, Oklahoma DORIS O. MATSUI, California VERN BUCHANAN, Florida MAZIE K. HIRONO, Hawaii JOHN L. MICA, Florida LAURA A. RICHARDSON, California (Ex Officio) JAMES L. OBERSTAR, Minnesota (Ex Officio) (iii) CONTENTS Page Summary of Subject Matter........................................ vi TESTIMONY Anderson, Richard, Chief Executive Officer, Delta Air Lines...... 7 Barger, David, President and Chief Executive Officer, JetBlue Airways Corporation............................................ 7 Bart, Krys T., President and Chief Executive Officer, Reno-Tahoe International Airport, Chair, American Association of Airport Executives..................................................... 7 Faberman, Edward P., Executive Director, Air Carrier Association of America..................................................... 7 Principato, Gregory, President, Airports Council International- North America.................................................. 7 PREPARED STATEMENTS SUBMITTED BY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS Carnahan, Hon. Russ, of Missouri................................. 38 Cohen, Hon. Steve, of Tennessee.................................. 39 Costello, Hon. Jerry F., of Illinois............................. 40 Mitchell, Hon. Harry E., of Arizona.............................. 45 Petri, Hon. Thomas E., of Wisconsin.............................. 54 PREPARED STATEMENTS SUBMITTED BY WITNESSES Anderson, Richard................................................ 65 Barger, David.................................................... 95 Bart, Krys T..................................................... 105 Faberman, Edward P............................................... 116 Principato, Greg................................................. 123 SUBMISSIONS FOR THE RECORD Petri, Hon. Thomas E., a Representative in Congress from the State of Wisconsin, a letter from the New York and New Jersey delegations to Secretary of Transportation Mary Peters, at the request of Rep. 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Mr. Petri is over in the Education and Labor Committee. He was with us earlier. He will join us a little bit later on, but until he arrives, Mr. Coble from North Carolina will be the Ranking Member for this hearing. I want to welcome everyone this morning to our Subcommittee hearing on airline and airport holiday travel preparations. This hearing is the third in a series of hearings on airline consumer protection. The Air Transport Association forecasts that 27.3 million passengers will be boarding planes during the 12-day holiday travel period that starts on November 16 and ends on November 27, a 4 percent increase from last year. An average of 2.3 million passengers will travel each day with about a 90 percent aircraft load factor. This increase in traffic comes at a time when airlines and their consumers have been experiencing the worst on-time delays through August. More than one in every four flights were delayed. Long onboard-Tarmac delays have increased by almost 49 percent from 2006, and delays of 5 hours or more have increased by 200 percent. The nonweather-related delays and the increasing number of consumer complaints that passengers filed this summer are unacceptable. We are holding this hearing today in an effort to inform the traveling public about what the airlines and the airports are planning to do to ensure that consumers do not experience lengthy delays during this busy holiday travel season. While the FAA and the DOT have had numerous closed-door meetings on ways to reduce congestion and delays, Secretary Peters declined to come to this hearing today to tell the traveling public what this administration is doing to ensure a safe and an efficient holiday travel season. It is very unfortunate that the administration would not allow the Secretary to be here today to talk to the traveling public, to tell the public what this administration and the FAA is doing in conjunction with the airlines and the airports to, in fact, address what may be a very busy holiday season. I am pleased, though, that two airline chief executive officers, both Richard Anderson from Delta Air Lines and David Barger from JetBlue Airways, are here to discuss how their respective carriers are preparing for the holiday travel season and what consumers can expect. I am also interested in hearing more about what our airports are doing to ensure the safety and comfort of passengers while they are in the terminals. One of the lessons learned from both the American Airlines and JetBlue incidents last winter was that airlines and airports need to work together to get passengers on and off the aircraft as quickly as possible to reduce lengthy Tarmac strandings. The traveling public saw firsthand this year the serious problem our current system has with congestion and delays, which affect passengers and the quality of service. In H.R. 2881, the FAA Reauthorization Act that passed the House of Representatives, we addressed many of these issues to better protect consumers and to reduce congestion and delays. It was my hope that we would have the FAA Reauthorization Bill that passed the House of Representatives earlier this year enacted into law and signed by the President by now, but unfortunately, the other body, the U.S. Senate, has yet to act on its version of the FAA Reauthorization Bill. The airlines, airports and the Federal Government must work together to make certain that consumers get to their destinations safely and efficiently during this busy holiday season. With that, I would like to, again, welcome all of our witnesses. Before I recognize Mr. Coble for his comments, I would ask unanimous consent to allow 2 weeks for all Members to revise and to extend their remarks and to permit the submission of additional statements and materials by Members and witnesses. Without objection, so ordered. At this time, the Chair would recognize the gentleman from North Carolina, Mr. Coble. Mr. Coble. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If it pleases the Chair, Mr. Mica has another place to go. If he could go now, I could follow him, if that is okay with you. Mr. Costello. The Chair would be happy to recognize the Ranking Member of the Full Committee and the former Chairman of this Subcommittee, my friend, Mr. Mica from Florida. Mr. Mica. I would like to thank you for yielding to me. I appreciate your leadership and also for your convening this hearing. I also see Mr. DeFazio, who did a great job on the Aviation Subcommittee as the Ranking Member. We have been working together for many years, trying to improve passenger service and also security for the flying public. Today is sort of a bad news day for the flying public. They are going to get some grim predictions, probably, of the situation we face with the crowded and congested airways and airports. Across the hall, I am leaving in just a minute to participate in a Government Reform investigative hearing on the failure of TSA's screening of passengers. So it is not a very good news day. Secretary Peters is not here, and it is my understanding that the administration will announce shortly some measures to deal with holiday traffic and also to deal with consumers who are sort of left in the lurch by the congestion that they are facing. Several of these improvements are overdue. One is going to be, as I understand it, a requirement for some increased compensation for passengers who are inconvenienced or delayed at the responsibility of the airline, and I think that that is important. Airlines have to step up to the plate to deal with consumers who have been abused. It has been sort of a one-way street, unfortunately, to date, where the passenger is sort of left in the lurch and is not compensated, and then when something goes wrong, the passenger is inconvenienced or loses time and money. So I think that is a positive step. I think, also, some news will be forthcoming on improvements in air traffic control capability. We do have needs of placing additional air traffic controllers and also in dealing with the traffic. I am pleased the administration has also been meeting with the airlines--we will hear about that in a few minutes--on issues of congestion at some of the choke points, particularly the Northeast airports and JFK in particular. We had previous hearings on that. So I think that they are making some progress and are talking. Even with the next generation air traffic control, which at the very best estimates is some--I would say, if everything went right and if Congress appropriated all of the money, getting the next-generation air traffic control system in place is at least 15 years off. However, we have moved forward with the first of the ground stations. The contract has allowed for that. So there is some good news, but there is some very bad news for folks who think there is going to be a quick cure to the congestion. The other thing that I wanted to mention again is that there is no silver bullet to deal with this. The system is straining; it will continue to strain. We are going to have to have mechanisms for the private sector. Hopefully, Government will not try to be a regulator in what should be a market- driven situation. But we can do a better job as the regulators in, again, protecting consumer interests and in trying to get our airways opened up just like we have opened up our highways and in making certain that we have the air traffic controller staffing that we need. Finally--this is more of the bad news. We are going to discuss this. I am going across the hall. Mr. Waxman and I usually do not agree on a lot, but I am so pleased that Mr. Waxman is looking into the failure of the Transportation Security Administration to find bombs, weapons and explosive materials that pose a great danger to us. Congestion may be bad, but to have planes blown out of the sky would be absolutely horrible. The failure of TSA to take measures to improve and also to relay to the public the situation we are in right now I think is unconscionable. I am hopeful that we can get in place additional measures. We have 19 layers of security. I think that what Mr. Waxman is doing in revealing some things, not just this story of the failure by TSA inspectors but by the GAO inspectors that-- incidentally, Mr. Costello, when we sort of passed this over, I don't know if you recall that meeting, and I don't know if you were there, but they sort of pooh-poohed the tests, and the tests had been validated by the GAO, that they could, in fact, take down aircraft. And we do believe that this is the next step the terrorists are looking at. So we have to get these improvements in place. The final of the 19 elements of protection in a layered security system is the flying public. And the public needs to be alert that the system faces potential danger, and they may be our last line of defense in this. In fact, our congested planes and full planes may be some of our best protection with a knowledgeable public to know that people may want to do us harm, and so they will be on the lookout for those dangers. So a lot of bad news. There is, hopefully, a little good news with the great public as our final line of defense. I yield back. Mr. Costello. I thank the gentleman. It is a very serious problem, and we are pleased that Mr. Waxman's Committee is looking into the matter. Back to the topic at hand, though, which is airline and airport holiday travel preparations. Let me recognize at this time the gentleman from Oregon, Mr. DeFazio, for any comments that he may have. Mr. DeFazio. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will divert from the agenda just for a moment to respond to the Ranking Member. We have been holding ongoing hearings in Homeland Security on this issue, and the gentleman is aware that we are running a system with 1970s technology. The screeners today--a lot of people are knocking the screeners. It is not the screeners. They are better-trained; they are professional. The tests are much more sophisticated that they are being asked to use, but they are working with 1970s technology. This administration and the previous Republican Congress refused to buy and, in fact, cut the budget for enhanced equipment and for more screeners. We are trying to rectify that. There is now millimeter wave technology. We need body- scanning. We need three-dimensional. We need the same kinds of machines at the airports that you put your luggage through or your baggage through as you walked in here today into the office building and when you go downtown to any building. But we do not have those in the airports because the administration has refused to buy them. So it is a shame, both for security issues and for customer service issues, that the administration is not here today. That is a key part of answering this problem. Yes, we can have a market-based approach, and we can make a lot of improvements there. Consumers are not getting a lot of meaningful information. If you take a scheduled flight at a time that is very convenient for you, it just happens that a lot of other people feel it is convenient. And many airports are scheduling more flights or airlines that can take off during a given hour, and customers do not know that. So, yes, you have a theoretical flight at 9 o'clock in the morning, but 90 percent of the time it is not leaving at 9 o'clock in the morning. But it is hard to find that information in a meaningful way. So forget about a market-driven system. We need to have a much more transparent process for customers to understand better what their rights are and, you know, what contingencies relate to their flights. I would congratulate the Chairman on a number of measures which he put into the FAA Reauthorization, which is, unfortunately, languishing in the Senate. The other side of the equation is the "R" word. Now, I know this administration hates that, but there has to be a light touch of regulation in solving these problems. They have begun to convene some meetings, very belatedly, to talk about overscheduling and other issues, but you cannot run this system just with a market-based approach, particularly when consumers are deprived of meaningful information. I hope, today, we are going to hear some real steps forward by the airlines. We have several times approached this issue. We almost put in passenger rights in 2000. Then Bud Shuster negotiated the voluntary measures with the airlines, which, unfortunately, failed us pretty miserably in the last year and a half or so. And so we need to hear where we go from here, in addition to, obviously, getting the Chairman's FAA bill passed through the Senate, so we can put some meaningful protections in place. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Costello. I thank the gentleman. The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from North Carolina, Mr. Coble. Mr. Coble. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will be brief. At a previous Aviation Subcommittee hearing, Mr. Chairman, I shared with the audience a conversation I had with a constituent some weeks ago. He said to me, "Heretofore, my least favorite place to be was in my dentist's chair." He said, "Now my least favorite place to be is at an airport." I hope the testimony we hear today, Mr. Chairman, will make dental visits less appealing and root canals less appealing and airport visits less frustrating and less demanding. The constituent said to me, he said, "When I go to an airport, I know the chances of a cancellation or a delay are excellent." And he was very frustrated, blaming me for it, just as he would probably blame you for it. So I hope that these problems will be assuaged as we hear from our witnesses today. And I thank the Chairman. Mr. Costello. I thank the gentleman. The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from Tennessee, Mr. Duncan, for any comments that he may have. Then, after Mr. Duncan's comments, we will recognize and go to the witnesses for their testimony. Mr. Duncan. Well, thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and thank you for calling this very important hearing and for trying to do all that you can to make sure that we hold these problems down to a bare minimum. I also agree with Mr. DeFazio. I appreciate some of the things that you have put into the FAA bill. There is just no excuse, for instance, for any airline to leave people on the runway for several hours like we have heard, but those are extremely rare instances. You know, I have mentioned before that I heard an NPR news report several years ago that said, in the Russian Aeroflot system, they sometimes had delays as long as 4 days. You know, people would come to the airport, and they would find out that their plane is not flying that day. And we get upset if there is a delay of 40 minutes. I think that people are going to have to realize that a big, big percentage of these delays is caused by weather. Overall, I am going to say that I am amazed that the airlines do as good a job as they do. Could they do better? Yes. Everybody should always be trying to do more and to do better, and the airlines need to improve. But I am amazed that so many flights run on time, on schedule and that we have as good a service as we do. There are some things that we can do as Congress, and there are some things that they can do as airlines. I have always said that, unfortunately, you know, of people who fly all the time, as we do, as most of us do, if we have 98 or 99 good flights and one really bad one, the one that we always talk about is the one bad one. So I appreciate what the airlines do. I want to work with you, Mr. Chairman, and with the airlines to try to make a great system even better. Thank you very much. Mr. Costello. I thank the gentleman from Tennessee. Let me say that the airlines are here this morning and the representative from the airports to tell us exactly what they are doing to prepare for the holiday travel. We anticipate unprecedented numbers of passengers traveling during this 12- day holiday period. We also anticipate, with load factors, that 90 percent of the seats on these airplanes will be full. We realize that there is nothing that anyone in this room can do about weather, but there is something that airports and airlines can do about informing passengers, about communicating with passengers when there are weather delays and nonweather delays. And that is the purpose of this hearing, is to tell us what they are doing in terms of having additional staff for the holiday season, additional equipment and things of that nature. Last, before I introduce our witnesses, I would ask both our airline executives and others who are in this room who are stakeholders--and all of us are, as passengers--to contact our friends in the other body, in the United States Senate, and tell them how important this reauthorization bill is and how important it is to move legislation that will provide adequate funding, as we have in the House bill, that will move the air traffic control modernization forward. Unfortunately, as we have said earlier, it is in the Senate and has very little hope of getting on the agenda to pass out of the Senate before the end of the year. But I would ask everyone to contact our friends in the Senate and to tell them how important it is. With that, let me recognize and introduce our witnesses. I will recognize each witness under the 5-minute rule. You should know that your entire statement will be entered into the record. We would ask you to summarize it in 5 minutes so that we can get to Members asking questions and enter into a discussion about various issues. The first witness will be Mr. Richard Anderson, who is the chief executive officer of Delta Air Lines; then Mr. David Barger, who is the president and chief executive officer of JetBlue Airways Corporation; Mr. Ed Faberman, who is the executive director of the Air Carrier Association of America; Ms. Krys Bart, who is the president and chief executive officer of the Reno-Tahoe International Airport and the chair of the American Association of Airport Executives; and Mr. Greg Principato, who is the president of the Airports Council International for North America. Mr. Anderson, you are recognized for 5 minutes, please. TESTIMONY OF MR. RICHARD ANDERSON, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, DELTA AIR LINES; MR. DAVID BARGER, PRESIDENT AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, JETBLUE AIRWAYS CORPORATION; MR. EDWARD P. FABERMAN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, AIR CARRIER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA; MS. KRYS T. BART, PRESIDENT AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, RENO-TAHOE INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, CHAIR, AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF AIRPORT EXECUTIVES; MR. GREGORY PRINCIPATO, PRESIDENT, AIRPORTS COUNCIL INTERNATIONAL-NORTH AMERICA Mr. Anderson. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Members of the Committee. It is a privilege to be here today representing the 50,000 professionals of Delta Air Lines and to share with you our plans for this holiday season to be certain that we continue to deliver consistent, reliable and good air transportation to our customers. We share the goals and objectives of the Committee. My testimony will also provide to you an update on ongoing discussions with the Department of Transportation and FAA concerning congestion and delays in New York. In order to meet the needs of the 1.8 million customers who will fly on Delta Air Lines during the Thanksgiving week, we have developed a comprehensive plan to deliver safe, reliable and excellent customer service. We are fortunate to have great, great employees at Delta who are committed to serving customers every day. And I would note that Delta is the number-one on-time airline year-to-date in 2007 among the major network carriers, both in arrival performance and departure performance. So we intend on continuing that great level of service. Weather and air traffic control, obviously, have a significant influence on the execution of our plan, so a key component of our plan is preparing for uncontrollable contingencies--a lot of preplanning and close communication with our passengers. During each regular operating day, our Operations Control Center holds extensive planning sessions to pre-identify potential delays and congestion and selectively thinning or canceling flights and then rebooking affected passengers. As I am testifying today, our Operations Control Center is also leading holiday-specific discussions to continue to evaluate our crew staffing, equipment availability, aircraft positioning, parking coordination, cold weather plans, regional partner preparedness, and coordination with the air traffic control system. As the holiday season nears, our OCC will step up communications with each Delta station and will continue that dialogue on a daily or even on an hourly basis throughout the season. I would note that our preparation has a long and consistent record over the holidays. I went back and took a look at our performance in 2006. Delta Air Lines ran a 99.8 percent completion factor 1 year ago during the 10-day Thanksgiving travel period, with arrival within 14 on the domestic system of 87 percent. So we have a proven track record of being able to very effectively handle the large passenger loads while delivering industry-leading customer service. To ensure our equipment is in top condition and can be returned to service quickly during the holidays, our maintenance division is fully staffed through the holidays. And we have included 87 extra sections--that is extra sections in the schedule on highly traveled routes--to be certain that we have the capacity to accommodate your regular operations. Our Delta leaders across the system will not be on vacation. They will be in the airports and in our operating centers and in our maintenance centers, engaged and visible, assisting our capable frontline employees and our flight crews and our flight attendants in delivering high levels of customer service. We have a full complement of pilots and of flight attendants on reserve status. And we have taken steps to be certain that we have sufficient crews in the event of irregular operations. We have communicated information about our load factors to the TSA and to the FAA so that they can plan staff accordingly. This should help our customers avoid extended delays at security checkpoints or during Immigration and Customs inspections. As I mentioned before, we plan extensively to prepare for and to avoid extended ATC and weather-related delays. However, if they occur, we have also made extensive preparations to care for affected passengers. At airports like JFK, these include close coordination with the Port Authority to bring flights with extended ground delays to the gate. On that subject, we have endorsed the DOT Inspector General's recently released recommendations to improve customer experience in the face of extended delays. We place a very high priority on ensuring our customers have the best experience possible on our flights, and we felt it very important to be the first airline to endorse the Inspector General's recommendations. Let me move very quickly to our commitment to Congress, to DOT and FAA to work with all constituencies in solving the congestion issues in our air traffic control system and particularly in New York. We have worked hard through the ARC process to find acceptable answers to congestion and delays in the New York City airspace and particularly at JFK. JFK has been a very important part of the recovery of Delta Air Lines, and it is the linchpin of our strategy of expanding international service. We are committed to ensuring that this summer and all subsequent summers operate smoothly at JFK. And we believe that there are near-term fixes and long-term plans that can both be put in place to deliver the levels of customer service that our customers expect. As you have noted in the recent hearing on congestion and delay, we have already taken steps to reduce our peak flying at JFK and have fully cooperated with the coordination process that the FAA has put in place through the ARC process. We have made voluntary changes in our schedule to reduce completely turboprop flying at JFK. We have, essentially, gone to the largest shell size--or the smallest shell size at JFK will be a 76-seater, so we have taken 50-seaters and propeller airplanes out of the market. But it is important that the industrywide solution that we reach at JFK is nondiscriminatory and respects the historic rights of carriers like Delta, JetBlue and American that have invested hundreds of millions of dollars and thousands of jobs over the last decades to build their networks at JFK. Delta, in fact, bought its network at JFK from Pan American World Airways for almost $800 million 15 years ago. And we believe that those positions are important positions, and it is important for our employees, as we continue our recovery, to have that important strategic asset available so that we can continue to execute on our strategy. A number of improvements can be made to increase short-term capacity at JFK, which the FAA recently set at levels back equal to what they were in 1969. We need a New York airspace czar that should be appointed by the FAA to coordinate New York airspace management issues. This worked well in South Florida, where we had these issues a couple of years ago, and we saw a 40 percent decrease in delays. However, rather than just advancing these kinds of ideas, DOT has advanced a regulatory scheme for JFK that discriminates against U.S. airlines. We compete against 60 foreign-flag carriers at JFK, and only U.S. carriers--Mr. Barger, myself and American--have been asked to participate in schedule reduction. We think that it is only appropriate that if there are going to be schedule reductions, that foreign-flag carriers, who are our biggest competitors at Delta--because two-thirds of the capacity we have added at JFK to international markets are to international markets that no other U.S. carrier flies to nonstop. Our competition are foreign-flag carriers, and they cannot be given an advantage, and they cannot be given an advantage over our employees. It is just not fair. Forcing Delta and U.S. carriers to shrink their operations at JFK prevents us from being able to compete effectively. What we are doing at JFK is novel, and we should have the right to compete fairly. There is a clear, effective and nondiscriminatory way to manage demand and to reduce congestion at JFK, and it is the International Worldwide Scheduling Guidelines. They are in use in airports around the world. The issues we face at JFK have been experienced at airports around the world, and these rules are fair and nondiscriminatory. In closing, I give you our commitment and the commitment of all 50,000 employees of Delta and their decades-long commitment to high levels of customer service that we will work fully with this Committee, with the DOT and with the FAA on reforming the air traffic control system, making the investments we need to make and doing what we need to do to make sure our air transportation system meets the growing demands for air travel. We are committed to finding a solution in New York. We have cooperated fully through the ARC process and will continue to do everything we can to play a constructive role in the schedule coordination activities that FAA is undertaking. That concludes my statement, Mr. Chairman. And on behalf of all of my colleagues at Delta and of many of my colleagues who were kind enough to take time to come here today, we thank you and give you our commitment that we will continue to do our very best to serve our customers worldwide. Mr. Costello. Mr. Anderson, thank you. When we get into the question part, we will be asking you specifically in terms of equipment and employees and how many more employees you have added for the holiday season and specific questions like that. At this time, the Chair now recognizes Mr. Barger. Mr. Barger. Thank you. Good morning, Mr. Chairman and Members of the Subcommittee. I am honored to be here on behalf of the 11,000 JetBlue crew members to tell you about JetBlue's readiness for this year's holiday travel season. My comments this morning will really highlight the February event, being transparent, that we experienced; internal and external changes since that point in time preparing for the holidays; a comment regarding our home base of operations, JFK airport, and certainly our holiday preparedness plans. Given how we performed during last February's holiday season, I am, candidly, not surprised to have been asked to be here today. That said, I am glad to have the opportunity to share all that we have accomplished over the past 9 months with you. Last February was a difficult time for JetBlue, as we let our customers down. In fact, to be candid, we failed them. As a result of that well-publicized disruption in our operations, we have instituted many changes to ensure we don't ever repeat that performance. The irony of experiencing this failure as a customer-focused company is not lost on us. Our changes have been both internally and externally focused and, in both cases, dramatic and beneficial. With that, let me highlight internal changes that we have made at this time. Since David Neeleman was here last April testifying about our immediate recovery efforts, our founder relinquished his CEO position to focus on JetBlue's long-term vision as chairman of the board. I assumed the role of CEO approximately 6 months ago, and my former position of president and chief operating officer has subsequently been filled by Mr. Russ Chew. I believe many Members are aware of Russ, who has been transforming the FAA's air traffic organization for the past 3 years. Russ is now in place at JetBlue as president and chief operating officer. Russ, in turn, has rebuilt and has strengthened his entire organization at JetBlue from airport operations to dispatch to system operations to crew services and throughout the organization. In fact, in the short 6 months, Russ has added over 150 years of airline experience through the hiring of four industry executives to help with our SOC, or Systems Operations Center. All of our new leaders and their colleagues have undergone rigorous training in new protocols, procedures, processes, ranging from the de-icing of aircraft to the communications between aircraft to the communications with dispatchers and between system operations at airports, in other words, interface across our airline. With that, let me move on to highlight some external changes that we have made over the past several months. Last February, JetBlue issued an unprecedented customer bill of rights, which I am just holding up for you at this point in time, which superseded anything offered by our competitors or that was being proposed by lawmakers at that time. The provisions of our bill of rights, including its clearly displayed and defined terms and customer compensation levels, were incorporated into our Contract of Carriage, a legally binding document between JetBlue and, in fact, all airlines and customers. Further, all of the provisions of our bill of rights were posted on the front page of our Web site, not buried where you would have a hard time finding them. In other words, I would like the Committee to know that we have been very transparent, proactive and transparent, regarding our customer goodwill. Most importantly, all of the provisions were made retroactive to aid all of the customers impacted by our Valentine's Day disruption. At this point, I would just like to comment regarding our home base of Kennedy Airport. JFK, though the center of an ongoing discussion about capacity and scheduling practices, is JetBlue's home. It has been for 8 years. We have invested time, planning and resources to properly grow there. We are on budget and on time to open our new 26-gate, $875 million terminal complex built in collaboration with our partners, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. This facility is expected to open within 1 year, and it represents 5 years of a planning process. I would also be remiss if I did not mention our support for a fair and equitable long-term funding system that can properly finance the sorely needed modernization of our air traffic control system. JetBlue supports the system where all users of the system, private jets and airliners alike, pay fairly for the use of their system. The key to reducing congestion and delays at JFK and, indeed, throughout the entire New York region and Northeast airspace corridor, is a satellite-based, modernized system that safely maximizes every square inch of the sky. Mr. Chairman, your focus and this Committee's work toward this goal is greatly appreciated, as we have had several meetings on this topic over the past several months. In closing and in support of our written testimony of holiday preparedness, as one of the Nation's leading providers of low-fare travel, JetBlue has routinely had one of the highest load factors in the industry. Let us face it: People like low fares. Thus, while not every day is Thanksgiving or Christmas or a holiday for JetBlue, most of our days come quite close. With our new policies and procedures in place, with our tremendous investments in training and equipment--for example, doubling the number of de-ice pads at JFK from four to eight pads, our investment in 25 de-icing trucks for this year, as well as 150 new crew members dedicated to de-icing at JFK--and also expanding 600 new customer service crew members in the airports across our airline, JetBlue is ready for the holidays. On behalf of our 11,000 crew members, thank you, Mr. Chairman, for the opportunity to testify today. Mr. Costello. We thank you, Mr. Barger. The Chair now recognizes Mr. Faberman. Mr. Faberman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Members of the Committee. I am happy to be here today. My association represents a number of low-fare carriers. In some ways, the numbers of people traveling over the holidays are as a result of more options for travelers, lower fares, so that is a good sign. We are very dedicated to expanding and continuing to grow our operations. We thank you for holding this hearing and for your dedication to both ATC issues and airline competition. We have also worked with Secretary Peters and Administrator Sturgell on the JFK scheduling issues and other matters affecting airspace. I will note that it is critical that whatever steps they take should not be steps that close the door to competition. I will note that the IATA guidelines that Mr. Anderson mentioned could very well do that. Unfortunately, these are not new issues. I am going to read a quick quote for you. "delays of varying magnitude are encountered at many terminal areas. Congestion at these terminals frequently requires the imposition of traffic flow restrictions, creating backup delays throughout the system. A reduction in air traffic delays can be accomplished only by increasing capacity or decreasing demands." Mr. Chairman, that statement was made in 1968 by the then- FAA Administrator, and it was the birth of the high-density rule that was only supposed to be put in place for a couple of years. It has now been in place since that time, and it has, in fact, significantly impacted competition and access. Our members, since they are growing, they have been constantly making changes, adding staff, doing lots of things to better serve the traveling public. We work closely with airports, but we also need to work and to convince TSA and Customs and Border Protection to provide the staffing and support that are necessary to move people through terminals. There are a couple of things we are doing, as the other two witnesses said. There is a lot more communication now between airlines and passengers--online, e-mail, phone messages--and those communications will continue. We remind passengers of the TSA restrictions. We do not want passengers to have to throw things away at terminals and have to leave things behind because they have wrapped them wrong or they are two or three ounces too big. We encourage people to show up early, and we remind people about other check-in options. Some of my carriers have done some other things. AirTran implemented NetTracer, which is a new system that monitors baggage, where it is, in case it is misplaced or put on the wrong flight. Frontier Airlines has at Denver, which is growing significantly, doubled ticket counter positions, has added kiosks. There has been a 17 to 20 percent increase in customer staff. As Dave Barger mentioned, they have added new runway de- icing equipment and things to clear off parking areas and gates at DIA. Spirit Airlines has done a lot in working with TSA to increase check-in machines and better machines to look at baggage and things like that. These are all things that had to be done. We can control some things; we can't control a lot of things. And we are trying to make sure that everything is addressed. I will note that a carrier that may only have five, six or maybe as many as 10 roundtrips at an airport does not have all of the same options as carriers of a lot more operations. You do not have all of the gates available to you. You do not have all of the personnel available to you. So, while we all want to make sure passengers are treated correctly, in some cases, it becomes a lot more difficult. Particularly in bad weather situations, it is not as easy to cancel. If you have three flights a day, for example, between Denver and National Airport, it is not as easy to cancel and to move flights around and back those flights up. We look forward to working with this Committee, and we are certainly going to continue to work with the DOT and the FAA on doing what can be done to improve performance or to improve the handling of customers. It is something that we all understand has to be number one behind safety in what we all do. We want those passengers flying again next week, at next holiday season and in the future. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Costello. The Chair thanks you, and recognizes at this time Ms. Bart. Ms. Bart. Thank you. Chairman Costello, Ranking Member Petri and Members of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Subcommittee on Aviation, thank you for inviting me. It is certainly a pleasure to be here this morning. I am Krys Bart, and I am the president and CEO of the Reno- Tahoe Airport Authority. And I am also currently the chair of the American Association of Airport Executives, which is the world's largest professional organization representing men and women who run airports. The Reno-Tahoe International Airport is the 60th busiest commercial airport in the Nation, offering approximately 180 flights per day. It serves as the gateway to the spectacular Reno-Tahoe region, a vacation paradise and a growing business center. In 2006, Reno-Tahoe was ranked as one of the most efficient airports in North America, and we pride ourselves on offering leading-edge customer service. Mr. Chairman, on behalf of my colleagues at airports around the country, I would like to commend you, Ranking Member Petri, Chairman Oberstar and Ranking Member Mica, for all of your help on H.R. 2881, the FAA Reauthorization Act of 2007. Airports are particularly grateful that the 4-year FAA Reauthorization Bill would raise the PFC cap from $4.50 to $7 and would authorize a total of $15.8 billion for the AIP program for the next 4 years. I realize I am preaching to the choir here, but both funding provisions are key to helping airports build the infrastructure they need to accommodate increasing passenger levels and the spikes that will continue to occur during not only this holiday season but many holiday seasons in the future. The House has done its part in passing H.R. 2881, and I hope that the Senate will follow your good lead. At your suggestion, I will make sure we continue to contact them. With airline delays and passenger complaints at an all-time high, we simply cannot afford to delay funding for critical infrastructure projects any longer. Mr. Chairman, today, my message is clear: Airports around the country are committed to helping passengers by providing top-notch customer service and by helping airlines and all of the other Federal agencies that we work with to carry out their responsibilities. Raising the PFC cap and increasing AIP funding will help reduce flight delays and passenger complaints in the long term, but I would like to take a moment to discuss some specific actions that various airports are taking today in the short term to prepare for this holiday season. Although passengers may not notice this, when they pass through the terminal, airport executives work closely with the airlines, the TSA, concessionaires and other tenants to ensure that those entities are prepared for the influx of passengers during the holidays. As an example, the Chicago Department of Aviation offers a prime example of coordination that takes place behind the scenes before passengers arrive at O'Hare and at Midway. The department works closely with all of its tenants to ensure both airports are prepared to accommodate increased passenger levels during the holidays. When passengers arrive at the terminal, airport personnel throughout the country strive to make their experience at the airport as convenient as possible. Although primary responsibility for passenger and baggage screening rests with the TSA, airports routinely help passengers by mitigating congestion and delays at the security checkpoints and at the airline ticket counters. At the Reno-Tahoe International Airport, we deploy passenger aides from 4:00 a.m. to midnight to help passengers navigate through the terminal and the security checkpoints. Our customers and our community will be pleased to know that they can find more passenger aides working in the terminal around the holidays and during peak travel periods. When the need arises, we also add all of our management team out in those same areas. A number of airports around the country have similar programs for passenger assistance. While experienced travelers may not directly rely on these services, assisting the many holidays travelers who are less familiar with airport facilities helps to reduce the wait time for all passengers. A number of airports also use the Registered Traveler Program to reduce wait times and passenger frustration at security checkpoints throughout the year and during peak travel times. This is particularly good assistance to our business travelers who continue to travel through the holidays. The Registered Traveler Program allows TSA to enhance aviation security and to improve system efficiency by focusing scarce resources on those individuals who represent the highest risk. At Reno-Tahoe, we began operating the Registered Traveler Program in June. Customers who enroll in our rtGO program present their personal identification card at the security checkpoint and pass through a separate line that expedites the screening process for all travelers, and it allows screeners to focus more intently on potential threats. Although the rtGO program has only been running for less than 5 months, we already have 500 passengers enrolled. These are passengers who also use other airports throughout the country, and currently, there are 13 airports enrolled in the program. We are very excited about this program and are confident that the positive results can and will be replicated in airports across the country. Many airports have extensive snow-removal plans in place should they be hit with severe winter storms over the holidays. Just like Denver, the Reno-Tahoe International Airport has invested hundreds of millions of dollars in new snow-removal equipment to speed and to expedite that process, to clear runways and to keep aircraft moving. As many of you may recall, the Denver International Airport was forced to temporarily close on December 20th last year because a severe blizzard caused whiteout conditions. The Denver Airport has spent a great deal of time and money upgrading its snow-removal requirements and equipment to prepare for storms this year. The new plan includes enhanced communication and coordination with the FAA and the airlines. The airport has also been upgrading its snow-removal equipment and plans to use additional personnel and snow-melters to help remove snow as quickly as possible. When storms cause delays in Denver, Chicago, New York and at other airports, those delays ripple throughout the entire aviation system. At airports like Reno, we feel the ripple effects. As for passengers who often drive long distances, we encourage them to get critical information about potential delays before they arrive at the airport. Toward that goal, our airport personnel constantly monitor weather around the country for potential delays and make every attempt imaginable to communicate those delays via TV, the Internet and even by phone calls if necessary. A number of airports also have emergency contingency plans in place should long onboard delays occur during the holidays. For instance, the Baltimore/Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport carefully monitors airfield activities and coordinates with the airlines when an aircraft is delayed for an extended period of time away from the gate. Mr. Costello. Ms. Bart, I am going to have to ask you to summarize, please, quickly. Ms. Bart. Thank you. I will. Let me just conclude by sharing with you that airport executives around the country look forward to continuing to work with Congress, with the administration, with the airlines and with other airport tenants to ensure that we are prepared for the upcoming holiday season. As I mentioned, we are committed to passengers by providing top-notch customer service and by helping airlines and Federal agencies carry out their responsibilities. Thank you again for the opportunity. Mr. Costello. We thank you for your testimony. The Chair now recognizes Mr. Principato. Mr. Principato. Chairman Costello and Ranking Member Petri, thank you for allowing Airports Council International the opportunity to participate in this important hearing. My name is Greg Principato, and I am president of ACI-North America. Our member airports enplane more than 95 percent of the domestic and virtually all of the international passenger and cargo traffic in North America. Four hundred aviation- related businesses are also members of ACI-North America. Holidays feature not only large numbers of passengers but many inexperienced travelers as well. Knowing this, each year airports put into place a number of customer service initiatives to ensure that passengers have a smooth, positive travel experience during the holiday season. Airports work with local media to provide important information for passengers before they leave for the airport. This includes things like the need to check the status of their flight before they leave home, the availability of parking, as well as if delays are expected due to weather, security issues or air traffic problems. Airports will also be advising passengers to be checking airport Web sites for timely information 24 hours a day. Additionally, we will remind travelers to decide before leaving home whether to pack their liquids, aerosols and gels into checked bags or to carry them on in three-ounce-or-smaller containers. Many airports provide complimentary resealable bags to help passengers contain these items. We are also working to ensure that parking booths are open. Some airports may have more shuttle buses and extra staff to assist passengers with automobile problems. Many airports will deploy additional law enforcement officers to monitor and to control traffic flow at the curbside. Several airport concessionaires, especially food outlets, will increase staff on the heaviest of travel days. Mr. Principato. Many airports are working with local organizations like convention and visitors bureaus and the Red Cross to provide supplies to passengers in need, including in at least one case access to all-night pharmacies to fill prescriptions, if necessary. In colder climates, of course, where snow is predicted or already falling, airports will have on hand snow removal equipment and implement irregular operations plans. Ensuring secure and expeditious travel for passengers, as well as providing a high level of customer service is a shared responsibility between airports, airlines, TSA and Customs and Border Protection. However, airports understand the important role we play in addressing passenger needs during ground delays or severe weather. We have contingency plans in place to work with airlines in assisting passengers when weather or other factors cause irregular operations leading to extended ground delays. We are working in cooperation with our member airports, airlines and Federal authorities to make the current system better, which was the theme of the last hearing at which I testified; and we've responded to the Subcommittee's urging in this area. In September, more than 40 industry representatives from 13 airports and 6 major airlines gathered at Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport to facilitate better planning to collectively respond to significant service disruptions affecting passengers. The single most important conclusion was the need for airports and airlines to employ the same techniques that have long been successfully used to plan for emergencies, snowstorms and construction disruptions. In January, ACI-North America will convene a meeting in Washington, D.C., with representatives from the airports, airlines, FAA, TSA, and CBP to further identify needs and resources necessary to assure high-quality passenger service during major disruptive events. To quickly process the expected high volume of passengers during the holiday season, it is also critical that appropriate airline and TSA staffing be in place. Airports are already meeting with their airline partners and the Federal security directors at their airports to discuss these important issues and implement plans. ACI-North America appreciates this Committee's leadership in recognizing that expanding physical airport capacity should be the first priority when responding to airport congestion. While airports are being proactive in working diligently this holiday season to assure a positive travel experience for our passengers, we believe that H.R. 2881 serves as a long-term solution that will provide airports the financial tools necessary to build critical safety and capacity projects, including new runways, taxiways and terminal space to meet growing passenger needs. By increasing the ceiling on the PFC user fee to $7, airports can meet the growing passenger demand by planning now to invest in modern, secure and comfortable and environmentally compliant facilities for air travel. And I think it's worth noting that this holiday season will be a snapshot of what every day will be like in just a couple of years, and we need to plan for that. In closing, ACI-North America and its member airports thank you, Mr. Chairman and Ranking Member Petri, for this opportunity; and we look forward to working with you. Mr. Costello. We thank you for your testimony. Mr. Anderson and Mr. Barger, a question for you. I think-- of course, I have read your testimony and heard you summarize your written statements in your testimony that you submitted for the record. I would ask that you specifically now address the issue of what you have done differently to prepare for this holiday season versus last year? I think people specifically want to know, both the airlines and the airports, what you're doing differently. And I note in Mr. Anderson's testimony you indicate that Delta has hired 350 pilots this year, but specifically for this holiday season, how many additional people have you hired or you will be calling out to work that 12-day period? Equipment- wise, are you bringing additional equipment in? So I would ask you to address that specific question; and, Mr. Anderson, if you'd like to go first. Mr. Anderson. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would first note for the record that in 2006 we ran a very good airline. Delta's completion factor was 99.8 over the Thanksgiving holidays and our arrival within 14 on the domestic system was 87.2. So we know how to do it. I would note that we have--year over year we're up 350 pilots, 1,300 flight attendants, 2,700 employees in our airport and customer service branch. Our spare airplanes, we normally operate the airline with about 10 to 12 spares, and we have an additional 10 spares over the holidays, and we're running somewhere around 85 to 90 extra sections. Mr. Costello. Mr. Barger. Mr. Barger. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And specifically, year over year, as we look at Thanksgiving, the holidays in December and also the peak travel period President's day and into Easter Passover into next year, specifics with our airport groups starting--we have 3,500 crew members--and, again, I work for employees across our system, and that is plus-600 crew members on a year-over-year basis in preparation for the peak travel period. Our home at JFK Airport, 1,116 of those crew members are based at JFK, and year over year from the standpoint of winter operations, 150 new crew members dedicated to specifically de- icing and anti-icing. I also commented about increased real estate and our investment in de-icing equipment. Moving over into the reservations area, we've got a group-- a complement of 1,600 crew members in our Salt Lake City reservations office, and we're now 20 percent higher on a year- over-year basis with that staffing complement. So it's approximately 300 crew members to handle the telephones, even though most of our tickets are distributed by the Internet. Pilot staffing is at 850 crew members, in-flight staffing at 2,600 crew members, and our technical component is in place as well. We're supporting 132 airplanes this year. And as we get ready for the peak holiday period I think it's important to note we call really things like vacation and personal time away from the organization--as Mr. Anderson commented, this is not a holiday for management. They will be displaced across our focus cities, including Kennedy and our other bases of operation as well. So I think we do have a good-news story as we prepare for the peak holiday period this year. Mr. Costello. From the airport side, Mr. Principato, let me ask you, I said in my opening statement and we have discussed in meetings, both with you and with others, the critical need to communicate between the airlines and airports; and I wonder if you might touch on that. What has been done differently through this holiday season versus not communicating or working with the airlines in the past and anything else that you would like to add. Mr. Principato. Well, I think it's fair to say that, throughout time, airports and airlines have worked very well together airport to airport to deal with situations as they came up. I think, as we talked about the last time I was here, airports working more closely with airlines during irregular operations where maybe a plane's out there on the tarmac for 3 or 4 hours where previously the Inspector General asked the airports to be more proactive in working with the airlines to deal with that. The ultimate decision, of course, is the airline's decision about what to do with that plane, but being more proactive to offer assistance, offer buses to get people back--I know at Dulles they will roll those mobile lounges out there to get people back if they need to--helping to get food out and so forth and really just working more closely with the airlines in those irregular situations. I guess I should also say, in terms of the holidays, I think it's fair to say that airports are really investing an awful lot of people and information in this effort. The more information the traveler has before they get to the airport and then when they're there, the better off we are. The old commercial, back where I'm from in New York, an educated consumer is our best customer for the clothing store up there. That's the way airports are really tackling this and deploying people within the terminal to help passengers who need the assistance. And, also, you know, the more people you have in the terminal you have more strain on the facilities, the restrooms and everything else, and having more staff on hand to help with those things as well and making sure things run smoothly. Mr. Costello. Ms. Bart, did you want to comment? Ms. Bart. Yes, thank you. Mr. Chairman, I think it can be summed up in enhanced communication between the airports and the airlines. I think the airline representatives in terms of the local managers and through the use of technology are in constant communication with their operation centers and in constant communication with airport management. That enhanced communication is what truly is helping us avoid unnecessary delays and, quite frankly, from keeping aircraft holding on tarmac because of delays upstream in the system. Mr. Costello. Thank you. And at this time, the Chair recognizes the Ranking Member, Mr. Petri. Mr. Petri. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman; and thank you for scheduling this important and timely hearing. I apologize for not being here at the beginning of the session, but it's impossible to be two places at once, and I had to vote over in the Education and Labor Committee. I ask unanimous consent to put an opening statement in the record. Mr. Costello. Without objection. Mr. Petri. And also that a letter from the New York delegation to Secretary of Transportation Mary Peters be entered into the record at the request of Representative Randy Kuhl. Mr. Costello. Without objection. Mr. Petri. Thank you very much. I have a whole raft of questions, but I just would like to maybe--I know I have 5 minutes, so I'll get through a couple. The dollar is down, and so international travel, especially from Europe, should probably be up. I know the figures are 4 percent increase, and so it's manageable, but you should be able to tell from ticket sales and other indications if, in fact, there will be a surge of foreign, especially over the Christmas holiday season, people from England and Europe coming to enjoy the good prices on the east coast and especially in the New York area where we already have a lot of congestion. Could you comment on it? Do you anticipate that or is it likely to be kind of a normal 4 percent or less increase in pressure, especially in the east coast where we're already congested? Mr. Anderson. Since Delta's the largest carrier across the transatlantic, it's probably appropriate that I answer. We've seen robust demand continuing across the transatlantic for the services that we've added over the last 2 years to JFK and Atlanta, particularly. And we've seen both the benefit of the changes in currency or the differences in currency, and it has driven very significant demand internationally. In fact, the demand internationally is much greater than domestic demand. Second, I would note that our demand has been very significant from Africa, the Middle East and India. Those growing economies have really caused a very significant increase. And so our strategy at Delta has been to be the first U.S.- flagged carrier to provide nonstop service into the heart of Africa, and our goal over the next 3 years is to serve the nine major cities in Africa and to expand into the Middle East. And so to answer your question, in summary, yes, sir, we've seen very robust demand as a result of the currency differences in part; and, second, we have seen robust demand from unique destinations that we commit service to over the course of the past 2 years and that demand has been much greater than the demand we've seen domestically. Mr. Petri. If I could, you may all want to respond, but I just want to say, in a separate area--and there's no one on the panel who's directly responsible for security at the airports in the Transportation Security Administration, but one of the big areas of delay, anticipated or unanticipated, is really not within your direct purview. It has to do with surges at airports and delays in personnel coming on, and suddenly people are missing their flight because they're delayed for an hour instead of 20 minutes or 30 minutes getting through the security and especially with a lot of inexperienced travelers, foreign travelers who may either psychologically or really pose additional problems. This could compound delays for the traveling public. Could you comment on your consulting with or working with the security people to make sure that they have adequate personnel or you can help expedite that one way or another with your customers? Mr. Barger. If I may, Ranking Member Petri, thank you for the question. There's collaboration with the TSA. This is all one dynamic ecosystem; and so we're working with the FAA, working with the TSA, the airport operators in our case. For example, in New York, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey and many others across our system and the TSA and others, we all have to be working in alignment with each other and interface with each other. And so, while we continue to do that and we've seen advancement along the lines of collaboration, sharing information such as expected loads and just what we're anticipating on the ground, I think it goes--it's so important to reinforce the need for the proper capital investment, the proper equipment. Our new terminal at Kennedy, which, again, we plan to open in about a year, will include $15 million worth of the latest in-line equipment to support what the TSA staff is doing. But it is this--this system does not work properly without the TSA at the table with all other parties making sure that we have a smooth transition through the airport. Mr. Petri. One last quick question. If you're--especially an inexperienced traveler, but if you're getting ready to go visit your family for Christmas or Thanksgiving, do you have any advice as to what they should do? Are there numbers they can call or are there ways that they can, you know, interact as efficiently as possible with you and with the facilities at the airport? Mr. Barger. If I may, and I believe Mr. Anderson wants to comment as well, but there's--again, I look at this as also a good-news story. There's so many lessons learned with the investment in technology and allowing customers and crew members or families picking up customers to really access information like flight-following information, what's happening with the flight across the country. The use of technology I think is a very important comment. Of course, calling telephone reservations and interfacing is standard protocol, but also start to see things such as interface with the airport authority such as the Port Authority, what's expected, what type of delays, also the dot.gov Web site. There's many different ways to really gain that information. So I think starting with the technology, but I think certainly the human element is in place as well. Mr. Faberman. I want to add to that and say that almost every airline, almost every airport now has Web sites where you can get information about what to carry on their aircraft, how to best package things. There's a lot more communication than there ever has been. We're also, as they said, supporting TSA and putting in more equipment and giving people more advice ahead of time. Mr. Anderson. I'd only want to go back to the security question. We don't control the security lines. We have a concern about security lines. We even have days this past fall in Atlanta, non-Thanksgiving travel periods, where we have waits up to an hour in a normal operating day. So we are concerned about what these loads will bring in terms of TSA staffing, and we're doing our best to coordinate with the local security directors to understand what the load factors are going to be. Mr. Costello. Thank you. The Chair at this time recognizes the gentleman from Oregon, Mr. DeFazio. Mr. DeFazio. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. To Mr. Anderson, I applaud you for what I see in your testimony about some of the steps you've taken in terms of customer protections and, in particular, your intention to make much more available on-time performance information and these sorts of tools. And Mr. Barger, I know that your airline has adopted similar. Mr. Faberman, what are some of the other airlines doing? Since we don't have ATA here, I've got to turn to you and see what you know about what other airlines are doing. Mr. Faberman. Congressman, I think we're doing many of the same things. We're adding people. We have a lot more customer service people in place. Mr. DeFazio. Are they putting things in the contract of carriage like this? Because that's a valuable tool to customers. Mr. Faberman. Yes, and, you know, we are dealing more and more and more with customers before flights, at the airports; and if they have problems, we're trying to put other things in place. As I mentioned, one of the carriers has put in a new tracing system for baggage. There's technology out there now that is making it easier, although not easy, to handle all kinds of problems and disruptions. So we're doing a lot of things and including more staffing and equipment. Mr. DeFazio. Okay. And then, Mr. Anderson, in response to your concerns, just so you have a little historic knowledge here, about 4 years ago, the Chairman of the then Transportation Appropriations and then later Homeland Security, Hal Rogers from Kentucky, arbitrarily cut the number of screeners by about 15,000, never--and the Bush administration went along with it. Mr. Mica and I have asked for years when we had jurisdiction here to give us--given their outmoded technology-- you can do security one of two ways: great technology, few people; bad technology, lots of people. We're doing it with bad technology and few people, which leads to these lengthy lines; and we're attempting to challenge the President on this issue this year and raise the funding and lift the cap on screeners for TSA and give them more money for new equipment and would welcome your support in that effort. It's critical, I believe, to safety and security and customer satisfaction. Mr. Anderson. Our employees in this industry have to have an effective security system that doesn't create long lines, is effective, ensuring the safety of our passengers and crew members; and, in the end, it's not acceptable to not have sufficient staffing or sufficient technology to make sure our airplanes are safe. Mr. DeFazio. Right. We just had Mr. Hawley in Homeland Security yesterday or the day before, and he was testifying about the millimeter wave portals walk-throughs have proved so successful that they're thinking of routinely having all passengers go through them. There's no way--you just walk through it. It reveals any contraband or problems. You do away with the frisking and the wanding and all the selecting and everything else. It could increase throughput dramatically, but the administration has not seen fit to ask for the funding to go ahead and buy these devices; and, again, we would ask for your help in dealing with these. Mr. Anderson. Well, going back a little bit in history, as I recall being here right after 9/11, we, in fact, put a tax on our passengers to be able to fund these security requirements. So we've put a funding mechanism in place; and the success of our business, the safety of our employees and passengers depends upon having efficient and effective security screening at airports. Mr. DeFazio. I want to turn quickly to one other thing which isn't the subject matter today, but I think the Chairman will agree with me this warrants some real focus by the Committee, and it's the discrimination against the domestic carriers in favor of foreign carriers. I'm totally bemused. I read through that section of your testimony a couple of times, on what the administration and the FAA are doing here; and, as you know, on the other side of the Atlantic, it doesn't work that way. Mr. Anderson. No, it doesn't work that way. In fact, it's going on on the other side of the Atlantic and the other side of the Pacific. Our philosophy seems to be that after we engage in open skies negotiation and obtain access, that foreign flags have unfettered access and don't participate in the schedule reductions that Dave and I are participating in right now. And, in fact, we had a speech here from the President of British Airways last week saying that British Airways was planning on using the new open skies agreement with the EU to significantly expand service into JFK and didn't think that the flight cap issue was going to be an impediment. And that's because the 60 foreign flag carriers that fly into JFK are not participating in the scheduled reduction process. Mr. Barger. If I may as well, Congressman, also those aircraft that are flying a foreign flag, if you will, they're not subject to any type of reporting metrics. And so there's more than a few times when I have a fleet that's circling because of congestion--it could be on a very good day. It just happens to be windy somewhere over North Carolina. But all the aircraft are making their way into JFK because there's a different set of rules for those aircraft, and that simply is not fair. And it's not that I want to punish those aircraft. Just participate equally. Because those airplanes are bringing in customers that are connecting into the Jet Blue system that has the largest airline system at Kennedy. So, again, it has to be this ecosystem of everybody participating equally. Mr. DeFazio. My time has expired, Mr. Chairman, but I would hope the Committee would follow up strongly on that. Mr. Costello. It is a major problem, and Mr. Anderson covered some of it in his testimony. I certainly agree, and we will. Let me inform everyone that we have three votes that have been called on the floor of the House. We have 10 minutes to get to the floor and record our first votes. So we will stand in recess, and we would ask our witnesses to come back. We have other Members who have questions. We would anticipate coming back from voting, let's say, at 11:45, about 30 minutes from now. The Subcommittee will stand in recess. [recess.] Mr. Costello. The Chair would ask the witnesses to take their place at the table. At this time, the Chair recognizes the gentleman from North Carolina, Mr. Coble. Mr. Coble. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good to have you witnesses with us today. Folks, my comment earlier about my constituent who said he would prefer to undergo a root canal procedure rather than negotiate airports, that notwithstanding, I agree with what Mr. Duncan said earlier. I think airlines and airports generally do a good job, but the shortcomings and the failures are the ones that permanently linger; and, hopefully, we'll overcome that one of these days. I read with interest in the hearing memo, Mr. Chairman, that during the holiday season some airlines are boarding full flights earlier to ensure on-time departures, reserving seats to accommodate passengers whose flights might be canceled or delayed, and placing kiosks in secured boarding areas to help passengers that need to be rebooked. Can any of these plans that you all are emphasizing during the holiday season be permanently implemented year-round to address the problems? Mr. Anderson and Mr. Barger. Mr. Barger. Thank you for the question, Congressman; and the answer is yes. And, in fact, I think many of these enhancements are part of what Jet Blue, Delta and other airlines are doing to really make the travel experience more seamless. For example, the use of kiosks, whether it's in gate- hold areas or at ticket counters, the whole issue of allowing a customer to self-service, make a change to a reservation if in fact there is a disruption, as opposed to stand in line in the service center, make a telephone call. So examples like that and so many more, whether it's boarding in a timely manner, that's just good business 365 days of the year. So I think we look at the Thanksgiving period and the holidays upcoming, it's a little bit different customer, much more of a family and strollers and wheelchairs and what have you, and just it takes a little bit different type of preparation because it's different than the Monday through Friday business traveler. So we do all that and more to make sure we're communicating expectations to our staff. Mr. Coble. Do you concur, Mr. Anderson? Mr. Anderson. Yes, sir. Mr. Coble. That's encouraging. I look forward to experiencing that. Let me put the question to either or all of the three witnesses to my right. Record load factors are expected this holiday season, Thanksgiving and Christmas, and planes will inevitably be filled. How will both the network and low-fare carriers accommodate bumped passengers who miss their flight? How will you all be able to help those folks get home for Thanksgiving or Christmas dinner in a timely way? Mr. Faberman. Well, I think, Congressman, one of the things that airlines are doing now is they're reducing the number of, quote, overbooked seats on flights. So we're not selling as many seats on each flight as has historically been the point. So we're trying to keep those numbers as reasonable as possible. Secondly, you know, we--I think as both Richard and David talked about before, on a continuing basis airlines now are having conferences within their organization and within their systems to look at where--how flights are operating. And if they see any type of delay, like this morning there were some delays going into New York, airlines automatically are beginning to look at what other options are out there. Is there a close-by airport we could put people on a flight to that airport? You know, what time is our next flight? And even working with other airlines on some of their flights. Mr. Coble. Ms. Bart or Mr. Principato? Ms. Bart. Yes, thank you. I think that there are two important aspects to this from the airport perspective. The first is to have additional staff. At the Reno-Tahoe International Airport, we call those people passenger aides who help take stranded passengers back to ticket counters to rebook or back to kiosks to rebook. While airports cannot do the booking for them and airports can't control the available seats, we can work very hard to make our passengers feel comfortable. So if they are stranded or if there are additional delays because they've been bumped from a flight and have to wait for another, I think those common conveniences of having additional concession opportunities, having places to sleep if necessary by virtue of cots, you know, having water and food available, those are the kinds of things that we have and are going out of our way to make sure we have to support that customer and that passenger. Mr. Coble. Mr. Principato. Mr. Principato. I just want to add just a little bit to what Krys said, and I think she covered it quite well. But, as I said earlier, airports are going even above and beyond what you would think, working with community groups, as I said before, the Red Cross, convention and visitors bureaus, local pharmacies, food outlets and so forth to make sure that that any passengers who are bumped and have to spend an inordinate amount of time at the airport are well taken care of. Mr. Coble. I thank you for that. And let me conclude, Mr. Barger, with you. What caused JFK to go from I guess what was a more or less an orderly atmosphere when they attracted you-all 8 years ago to what I guess is universally now known as chaos? What happened? Mr. Barger. Well, it's--when we started flying, you're right, the number of flight activity or movements per day looked at 750 movements, and it's now in excess of 1,400 movements per day. The reason we originated our flying at JFK is because in the New York metropolitan area there was just so much in the way of capacity that was not being utilized. And so I think--I'd like to think that our success in growing Kennedy has certainly been attractive to other carriers and their growth plans. It's certainly what's happening with Delta and the growth and American Airlines and their new terminal and growth, as well as our growth and the international carriers. It's all been as a result of really a capacity that wasn't being utilized over a period of time. I think today, and it--we would like to--even though we have asked and we appreciate the Secretary being involved with taking a look at potential hourly caps at Kennedy, it's unfortunate because really our headline is one of there's additional capacity that we should go after through the use of technology and the proper investment. And Kennedy Airport today is the primary gateway in and out of the United States. With some type of limitation, that is not the right thing to do as we move into the future. Mr. Coble. Mr. Anderson. Mr. Anderson. Yes, Congressman. First, I'd like to thank all of our great employees at Delta from JFK that are here today; and I think they know well the challenges that we face there. But at a base level, JFK, according to FAA-published statistics, should operate at a capacity of 100 operations an hour. This past summer it operated at 65. It is an airport with four runways. It's double the size of La Guardia, but it handles the same number per hour as La Guardia. So when we think about capping or putting other restrictions in place, we shouldn't be doing it until we've figured out how we run the airport in an efficient way. It's got two widely spaced parallel runways, and the airport should operate at the level it was designed at some many years ago, and it's not. And in fact, its production has been going down year over year. And the carriers that serve there, particularly the U.S.- flagged carriers--Jet Blue, American, Delta--the carriers should be able to expect that the airport is operated efficiently and safely at its maximum capacity. Mr. Coble. I thank you. Mr. Chairman, I think this has been a good hearing. I yield back. Mr. Costello. I thank the gentleman. Let me ask a point of clarification before I go to the gentleman from Iowa. In ATA's press release--and you mentioned, Mr. Faberman, blocking of seats or maybe not overbooking flights to the extent that might happen normally during the holiday season. I wonder if I might ask the three of you--in particular, Mr. Anderson, Mr. Barger and Mr. Faberman--to address that issue. In fact, ATA, I have their press release here. It says, one of the things that will be done out of many will be blocking of seats in key markets on peak holiday travel for its use to re- accommodate passengers whose flights are cancelled or delayed due to inclement weather. Can you explain for those of us here in this room what you mean by that, the blocking of seats in key markets? Mr. Barger? Mr. Barger. I will. From a Jet Blue perspective, Mr. Chairman, probably the best way I could clarify that with our operational plan is, as we're--over the period of the holiday, we'll end up with an 85 to 90 percent load factor. Certainly, there's some days that will be quite peak, the Sunday after Thanksgiving, the Wednesday before Thanksgiving. And as we look at potentially accommodating disruptive customers, our methodology has been one of operational spare aircraft. And so our fleet of 132 airplanes will have 127 flying, 5 operational spares--Boston, New York, Long Beach, California, as well as down in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. So that's the way that we take a look at accommodating a disrupted traveler over the course of the travel experience. Mr. Anderson. Flights are overbooked because the no-show rate is very high. So when we set up overbooking levels, each flight has an overbooking level based upon its historic no-show rate. And the reason we have to do that is, when people don't show up, then the airplane's going to fly with an empty seat, and at $90 oil or $70 oil, we can't afford as a business to have people not show up. So we overbook. What we do during Thanksgiving, understanding that the no- show rate goes down, is you reduce the overbooking levels. You operate extra sections which is in very dense markets with a lot of traffic. You put extra flights in. So we'll run some 80- some-odd extra sections. And then, lastly, our load factor's predicted to be in the low 80s through Thanksgiving. So we have a fair amount of capacity in the schedule; and between those three factors-- reducing the overbooking level, running extra sections and running a slightly lower load factor than we ran over the summer--we will have sufficient capacity to be able to accommodate rebookings. Mr. Faberman. I just want to add to what Richard said, and it is a different set of customers that fly during the brief holiday period than normally. And, you know, when you have a lot of business customers flying, people hopping back and forth and different things, they will frequently miss flights or change flights. So your system needs to prepare for that and needs to understand that we don't want to leave with 15 empty seats. So at certain times of the year, certain times of the week, you do tend to overbook a little more. During the holiday time period, it's a lot more family travel, lot more people going on vacations; and those people don't not show up as frequently. They show up, and they're there, and they're ready to go, and they don't really switch flights a lot. So if you just book 85 percent, 90 percent of the aircraft, you're going to have that many people; and that gives you some extra seats that at the last minute you can hand out. Mr. Costello. I thank you; and the Chair now recognizes the gentleman from Iowa, Mr. Boswell. Mr. Boswell. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and appreciated the give-and-take and discussion. I've got a couple of questions about some of the things you said I want you to clarify. But just before we do that, there's something that kind of grinds on me, if I could say it. I think that I certainly am and I think everybody on the Committee is advocates for the airlines, and we've shown that over and over since 9/11. We're also advocates for general aviation, and it irritates me to see in your publications in the pocket of your seats the distortion about what's going on on this situation about general aviation. So quit it. That's my suggestion to you. If you want to comment on it, you're welcome to do it. But you just don't make any mention--get all the notes you want, but you don't make any mention about the taxation on fuel and the things that general aviation pays for. I'm going to continue to support you, because I know you are extremely important to our economy and service to our country in many, many ways, and we'll continue to do that, but come on, let's do what's right. Now, Mr. Anderson, you made some comment--and if you want to comment, you're welcome to do so. You made some comment about describing or talking about a check-in process called drop-and-go, and I don't know if I understand all that. So, just briefly, would you say something about that? Mr. Anderson. The goal is to make the process of moving through the airport as simple and as easy as possible. So we have devised a system whereby you check in at home, check in at home on the Internet. You can verify what time your flight's leaving; and at that time, when you check in, you check in at home on the Internet and designate the number of bags you're going to check. And then as soon as you get to the airport there are separate areas both on the curb and in the lobby--we call it drop-and-go. You walk in, you're already checked in, you scan your boarding pass that you printed at home under a reader, and your bag tags print out. We have an employee there that's ready to help with that. Mr. Boswell. Reclaiming my time, that sounds great. I appreciate it, and we use the Internet to get our pre-boarding pass. So at the time I'm assuming you can do that. So I normally don't try to check baggage because I like to have it when I get to the other end. So I won't go there, but that's a good idea. I hope that you continue working on that. The other one I think is that I believe it was one of you mentioned--I've got a moment here or two left. I think it was you, Mr. Barger, who was talking about new processes to handle lengthy delays, including the on-board delay escalation procedure. So would you just expand a little bit on what the on-board delay escalation procedure is and how it will affect passengers on aircraft? Mr. Barger. Yes, I will. Thank you, Congressman, and also thank you for your comments regarding the importance of general aviation as part of the community using the skies. We certainly respect those comments. From the perspective of the escalation of a customer on an airplane, and probably the theme I would use is one of situational awareness, and, to be very candid, lessons learned from our February event up in New York, where we put in place and now FAA endorsed and approved an on-board escalation policy at 60 minutes, 120 minutes, 180 minutes--but through our system operations center, in coordination with a local airport, in coordination with our crew and dispatch, that we have perfect visibility into how long a customer has been on an aircraft, whether that's waiting to take off or whether that's waiting for a gate. And, candidly, we didn't have that in place in the February time frame when we had the incident earlier this year. To also support when, in fact, we are in those type of situations--and, hopefully, they're very, very rare--that's where we have instituted our bill of rights to make sure that we make good on our commitment if, in fact, we've broke a contract, if you will, with a customer. And that could be for a delay or a cancellation but certainly making sure that the information flow is steady. Because, at the end of the day, number one, what customers and crew members want and expect is crisp, timely, honest communication. Mr. Boswell. Thank you very much. And that last part is I--you know, I went through a miserable day a week ago Monday getting here with delays on aircraft, maintenance, three in a row, and it can't be helped. You've got to pre-flight, you've got to do those things, you've got to take your safety checks, and I understand that, and I don't quarrel that at all. It really makes the passengers-- being a frequent passenger, to know what's going on, and just say it like it is. Just tell the truth and be quick to say it. And it just stops a lot of bad feelings. And so I want to encourage everybody, please keep picking up on that, because we like it. And back to--and I'm going to--I have to go. My time's up. But back to my earlier comment on we do support you, and you know that, and we also support aviation, general aviation and, you know, and a lot of your passengers are people that are involved one way or another not only as pilots but users and owners of general aviation. So I would hope that we do what I asked you to do earlier. And thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back. Mr. Costello. Thank you. And the Chair now recognizes the gentleman from Michigan, Dr. Ehlers. Mr. Ehlers. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And usually one sermon a day is enough, but let me just add to Mr. Boswell's sermon. Get off GA's back. I have a couple of reasons for that, in addition to the one he mentioned. That's going to be your source of pilots in the future, I'm convinced. If you look at what is happening to the Armed Forces, the number of pilots produced by the Armed Forces is likely to drop fairly dramatically in the future through unmanned vehicles and other uses of equipment. So just remember that the pilot in the GA cockpit may be one of your pilots someday. Having said that, let me make a few comments as a frequent flier and also as one who loves aviation and really supports your industry. It seems to me one basic category that you have to be prepared for, even though it's expensive to prepare for, is the disasters. I'm very familiar with one which happened in Detroit some years ago. I believe Mr. Anderson's probably even more familiar with that one, when the sudden drop of 10 or 12 inches of snow just stopped the airport cold. There were so many mismanagement decisions made at that time; and it was finally-- started to move when a passenger, who happened to have Mr. Anderson's phone number, gave it to the pilot. The pilot called him, described it and suddenly things started moving. It shouldn't take that. But there have been other disasters. You've had some similar ones recently. Jet Blue encountered one. There has to be more planning and more training for emergencies. They are going to happen, and I recognize that they're expensive to plan and train for because they're infrequent. And so they--it may seem like they're not worthwhile, but it has to be done because--simply because of the huge, bad publicity you get when those happen. So I encourage you to do that. Something else I think there is a legitimate complaint about, and I understand that the tradition of the ship carries over to the airplanes. The pilot is the captain of the airplane, and he makes the decision, and that's it, period. But I have been on planes. I've sat on the tarmac a very long time, and one of them, which is pre-9/11, and those of us who are on this Committee had permits to be in the cockpit if we wanted. I was in the cockpit of one that sat on the tarmac for 3 hours. Passengers were getting restless. The flight attendant came up front, said we have a claustrophobic woman who's about to lose it, et cetera, et cetera. And the basic reason the pilot didn't want to go back to the airport and just let the passengers off until he could be released was because he didn't want to lose his place in the flight line-up, and he, you know, just sat there in the hope that at some time the weather would clear and he could take off. And if he went back to the terminal, he would lose it and have to go back through the process. I think it would be very worthwhile with a lot of these cases that you work with the FAA and the airports to provide in a situation like that, where pilots and a plane are delayed, they get accelerated departure permissions to take off. It's only fair, and if you don't have that, you lose not only lose your place in line, you also lose your place in line at your destination. And, as you know, one late flight perpetuates a lot of problems for passengers trying to get onto other flights. They get overcrowded and so forth. So I would hope that you would consider that, and I will give you a minute to comment about that. I just have one other issue to raise, wondering what is the role of the FAA's air space redesign efforts in reducing congestion and travel delays. And if it's implemented, how will that affect your customers? What can be done to implement it? So I've thrown out a lot of things. We will just go along the line and get responses as time permits. Mr. Anderson, you want to go first. Mr. Anderson. On the issue of taxi-out delays and prioritization, you know, there are a number of task forces. There's actually one working right now with FAA on those kinds of steps. So, you know, I would encourage us as an industry to take your comment under consideration and determine how we can work through the prioritization when you do have long ground stops of takeoffs. Mr. Ehlers. Let me just interject here. You have a Committee here who is willing to help you, by and large. So if you need our help, don't hesitate to contact the Chairman and Ranking Member. Mr. Anderson. Thank you. With respect to next generation, FAA is critical. If you look at FAA forecasts, it's forecasted that U.S. Emplanements will grow from about 700,000 this year to a billion in the next 5 years. That is a credit to the success of deregulation and the accessibility of air travel to every American. In order to be able to accommodate that demand, we have to have the next-generation air traffic system. You use GPS to navigate in your automobiles. We don't use it to navigate airplanes. We still fly in the national air transportation system the same way we flew 50 years ago, from VOR to VOR to VOR with set routings; and in order to accommodate the growth that is an important engine of the American economy, we have to have the investment in capacity and safety to be certain that we can accommodate a billion passengers a year. And I'm certain this Committee and Mr. Chairman want to be in a situation where we're sitting here 5 years from now and we've been able to make the investment necessary to meet the demand of the consumer, the travelling consumer today. So next-gen is critical to being able to do that; and in the short run, between now and the time that we have all of the next-gen developments in place, we need to work cooperatively to do those things that will incrementally increase capacity. USA Today had a very good article about 2 weeks ago about a number of airports around the country that have actually reduced their delays over the past year by investment in air traffic and airfield capacity. So we need to take all the steps in the short term to meet demand, and we've got to make the investment as a country and the commitment as a country to implement the next-gen system in order to meet the billion passengers that are going to be flying in the airways over the course of the next 5 to 10 years. Mr. Costello. The Chair thanks the gentleman and now recognizes the gentleman from Missouri, Mr. Carnahan. Mr. Carnahan. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Ranking Member. And, to the panel, I hail from St. Louis, Missouri. We have Lambert International Airport there, which is among the top 10 busiest for holiday travel. We appreciate the presence of Delta, Jet Blue, American, Southwest, and many others there. They've been part of growing the service back at Lambert. But the environment for this holiday season, where we expect travel up 4 percent, flights to be 80, 90 percent full-- we saw a year with record low on-time arrivals, and media reports about this environment certainly have given the traveling public and consumers reason to be concerned. That's why I especially appreciate the reports here in terms of your all-hands-on-deck approach to being ready for at least all the contingencies that you can be; and if there's anything you can do about the holiday weather, that would be a plus. But I guess I'd like to ask the question in terms of the human elements that were mentioned in the testimony in terms of advice for the traveling public, in terms of what they can do to help with the process, and especially for those nonfrequent fliers that may not be as used to the traveling regime now. What's the best advice you can give to those traveling consumers? Mr. Anderson. Okay, really practical. One, check the Internet for the airline you're traveling on and verify what time your flight's leaving. Second, determine from the Internet site what time you're supposed to report for your flight, domestic or international. Third, it's always practical to have somebody drop you off at the airport at the front. Then you can avail yourself of skycaps and check in on the curb. Use the Internet technology. You can check in at home on virtually every airline, and you can designate how many bags you're going to check. Take advantage of that. And when you get to the airport, you just merely have to go to the skycap to drop your bags or go to into the ticket counter. When you get to the security checkpoint, mind the carry-on policies. You know, the carry-on policy is one right-sized carry-on. Congressmen know this probably better than any other travelers in the world. Mind the carry-on policies and don't carry wrapped packages through the checkpoint because you may have to unwrap them. And my tip of the day is always wear slip-on shoes. Mr. Barger. If I may, Congressman, I think, just adding to Richard's comments which cover the whole travel experience, but at the same time it--I think we have a good news story as well, and we have to be prepared for it. I think that airlines and airports and FAA, TSA, tremendous collaboration, but, at the same time, don't come out 4 to 6 hours early to the airport. There's almost scare stories that are out there about how bad it's going to be. It's not the case. We just went through a July and August time frame that was actually--the load factors were probably as high over an extended period of time, and it's a tough period of time because of convective weather activity, and we do run the risk of Mother Nature and winter operations this time of the year. But, by all means, come to the airport with all of us, crew members and our own staff, with the proper attitude, because there's a tremendous amount of preparation that's gone into this holiday. But be timely but not too early. Mr. Principato. If I could just say, too, last year was a really good, I think, test of the system because it was the first Thanksgiving where we had the new liquids and gels rules, and you had all those first-time travelers. I've been through that St. Louis Airport with infant twins in the past, and my wife grew up in Illinois, and I know what this is like. And so you have people who don't travel all that often; and, last year, they were going to come with liquids and gels. They didn't know what shampoo they couldn't take and whatever. The airports got together with TSA and the airlines to really get that information out. We put a lot of people on the ground; and, really, I think last Thanksgiving went actually pretty well, pretty smoothly. Weather, of course, cooperated, which is nice; and you mentioned that earlier. I think last year was a pretty good run-through for what we're going to see this year, because we had those new rules in place that so many people hadn't experienced before. And because of the information and the human resources we put into it, it actually went pretty well. Mr. Carnahan. Any others? If not, thank you very much; and I yield back. Mr. Costello. Thank you. The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from Georgia, Mr. Westmoreland. Mr. Westmoreland. Thank you, Mr. Chairman; and I apologize for being late and not being able to hear you on the testimony. But I've been in another hearing with the TSA talking about some of the things Mr. Carnahan just asked as far as carry-on luggage. I will just tell you from the experience--and I fly Delta most of the time---- Mr. Anderson. Thank you. Mr. Westmoreland. --you know, there's people that carry on everything but the kitchen sink, and so I hope that we would maybe enforce that a little bit better. But, Mr. Anderson, I want to thank you for being here. As you may or may not know, I represent more Delta employees, retired and active, than any other Member in Congress; and I'm very proud of that. I'm also very proud of the fact that my wife worked in marketing and advertising for Delta when we were first married. I was a ramp rat at Delta, actually bled grey and blue for a long time in my life; and my daughter was a flight attendant for Delta. So we've had a lot of family connection, not to mention the number of friends that we have that work for Delta. And, you know, as a congressional delegation, I think that we have worked very hard for Delta Airlines. We went through the pension, the bankruptcy; and we're so proud of Delta, that they're out of bankruptcy and that they are doing well and the business plan that was came up with is doing good. And, of course, with oil being over $90 a barrel, I know that it didn't really work into your recovery plan that well; and we hope that in the future that will come down. But I must say that I was disappointed to read in the paper about merger talks with United, kind of blind-sided, you know. And it's one thing in this political business when the press calls you up and--especially after all the things that we've gone through with Delta--and blind-sides you, wanting you to quote on the economic engine for the world's busiest airport, I believe, talking merger with another airline. Mr. Westmoreland. And so I was disappointed in that, and I read the release that Delta put out, and I think your exact words were that there have been no talks with United regarding any type of consolidation transaction, and there are no such ongoing discussions. I just want to hear it from you. I want to look at you eyeball to eyeball. Mr. Anderson. That is fair. Mr. Westmoreland. I want you to look at me, eyeball to eyeball, and tell me that Delta Airlines has not been in discussions or in negotiations or in anything else or in communications with United Airlines about a merger. Mr. Anderson. It has not. I was actually as surprised as you were--you probably as a Congressman are, maybe, little more used to this--reading in the paper that I had been in these conversations when I have not talked to Glenn Tilton or any other executive at United Airlines since the last time I was in the industry about 4 years ago. So there are no discussions. There have been no discussions. And I think I was as surprised by that Associated Press article as you were. Mr. Westmoreland. Well, I appreciate that. You know, we feel like, especially with the roots of Delta, that you are a good southern company. Mr. Anderson. We are. Mr. Westmoreland. I know you are. Like I said, I have been part of that family. We do not want the family moving north. We want to keep the family in Atlanta. We want to keep it together, and we want it to be that strong, viable airline that it started out being. And I know we have gone through some tough times, but we are here for you. But we also want to be kept informed of any future plans that Delta may have; and I know you cannot let us in on everything that you are doing, but you have been very kind with the workout plan and with other things that you have kept us informed about. So I am just asking you to keep us informed, to keep the family informed. We want you to stay home. Mr. Anderson. You know, I could not agree with you more. We will keep you informed. You know, it is a great airline with a great legacy that goes back to Monroe, Louisiana---- Mr. Westmoreland. Absolutely. Mr. Anderson. --in 1926, and that is a really important part of what Delta is. So you can count on us to continue to do what is in the best interest of the employees at Delta and of the shareholders at Delta and of the communities we serve. So thank you. Mr. Westmoreland. Thank you very much. Mr. Chairman, again, I apologize for being late, but I appreciate your giving me the opportunity to ask a question. Mr. Costello. The Chair thanks the gentleman and now recognizes the gentlelady from California, Ms. Richardson. Ms. Richardson. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have three questions for the panelists today. Let me preface my thoughts by saying I am the new member of the group. I got sworn in all of about 9 weeks ago, so I fought to get on this Committee, and I am happy to be with you today. My first question is having to do with--in local government, we have a system called a "reverse 911 system." What that essentially does is--you have heard several questions from Members here, asking you what can members of the public do to be better prepared to process through the system; yet, I did not hear much discussion on your end of what you could do. And it is a little difficult because we have to assume in my community, for example, that not everyone has a computer, that not everyone has the Internet, and so repeatedly hearing the answer, "Well, check the Internet and check this and that." I wanted to ask you: Sometimes when I have made flight arrangements through a travel agent, they do ask me "What is your phone number?" I am just curious. Has there ever been a discussion about doing a more reverse system of putting out an automated or a robo-call saying, you know, your flight is going to be delayed 1 hour or whatever it is, or doing a reverse e- mail? What can you do to be proactive to inform the consumers of problems that might be occurring? Mr. Anderson. Delta actually has that system, and I should not have just referenced the Internet. We have 6,000 people in our reservations department that are available on a toll-free number to be able to answer questions about flight availability. Dave, at JetBlue, has the same thing, as do the carriers that Mr. Faberman represents here, so we have both Internet and telephonic availability. Secondly, we do have the ability--we call it the "AutoDialer"--where you can auto-dial out and send e-mails updating people on their flights. So those systems are in place. Ms. Richardson. Do you use them? Mr. Anderson. Absolutely, because you have got to have them available for schedule changes and irregular operations, because we do not want people to come to the airport if a flight is cancelled, and the earlier we can plan in advance of an irregular operation and let the passengers know and get them reaccommodated, the quicker we will be able to recover in a weather incident. Ms. Richardson. Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask, can we determine if all of the airlines have this sort of system and if they are utilizing it? Mr. Costello. I did not hear the gentlelady. Ms. Richardson. The systems that I am talking about, he called it "automatic redial." I call it kind of a "reverse 911." I am just curious if all of our American carriers, flag- carrying carriers, have this sort of system and are they utilizing it. Mr. Costello. Mr. Anderson, can you answer that? Mr. Anderson. As a general rule, all of the major carriers have auto-dialers, which is an outbound calling system or an e- mail system that lets flyers know about changes in their flight plans. Ms. Richardson. With all due respect, Mr. Anderson, my second question was, though, Do you use it? Mr. Anderson. Yes. Yes. Ms. Richardson. The reason why I ask the question about your understanding of all of the carriers is that I fly quite a lot, and members of my family fly quite a lot, and I recall very rarely getting notification. So that is why I am asking, can we verify it, in fact. Just because carriers have the system, it does not mean that they are using it. Mr. Anderson. I cannot speak on behalf of other carriers. I can speak on behalf of Delta, and we use it. Ms. Richardson. Okay. So, Mr. Chairman, what would be the process of getting that information to this Committee from the other carriers? Mr. Costello. We will check with the ATA to, in fact, have them survey the airlines---- Ms. Richardson. Okay. Mr. Costello. --to get an answer. Ms. Richardson. My second question is having to do with-- Mr. Anderson, it really caught my eye when someone asked the question about the TSA, and you were very specific in saying that, you know, the TSA does not report to you, which I clearly agree with and understand. Is there any ongoing meeting or position that carriers have with TSA to discuss what is happening--what is happening with the loads at various airports when they have delays? Because you seemed a little bit frustrated, and I know I am and many consumers are as well. I was traveling in the LAX area, and a person noted to me that several of the TSA members were being laid off, leading up to Christmas. I was shocked given, one, how long we wait and, two, given the incoming traffic that will be occurring. So are you regularly advised on what is happening in these various airports? Is there an ongoing process or group or advisory committee that you are able to participate with about these issues? Mr. Anderson. I believe the ATA has a security committee that works on behalf of the industry. At the local level, there is generally a very close working relationship between the Federal security director at an airport and the airlines operating in the airport, you know, providing information about what load factors will be by the time of day and what the TSA can expect in terms of passenger volume. Ms. Bart. I would certainly like to add that my colleagues make a point of having regular--and I mean at least weekly meetings--that include the TSA and the local airline managers from an operational standpoint. As we get closer to any major event like a holiday or other event where we would see a tremendous influx of passengers, it would be a standard operating procedure to call special meetings to discuss loads that are anticipated, any issues-- weather contingencies, parking contingencies, things of that nature. So that has become standard protocol from the airport side to orchestrate those meetings. Mr. Principato. There are also regular conference calls that TSA has with airports on an ongoing basis as well. Ms. Richardson. Given some of the problems we talked about today, are any of you aware of layoffs happening within the TSA organization? Ms. Bart. I am not. I have not heard of anything to that effect. Ms. Richardson. Okay. Mr. Chairman, could I have 1 more minute? Mr. Costello. Sure, the gentlelady can have another minute. Ms. Richardson. Thank you, sir. One last question and then just a comment on behalf of JetBlue. My last question is: I recently was flying, and I noticed that if I am scheduled on a flight, let us say, at 5:00 o'clock and that flight is delayed and at 6:00 o'clock another flight is going out to the exact same destination, my flight is delayed like an hour or two. The people who were on the original flight at 5:00 are not the first ones who are able to go onto the 6:00. They have to wait from 6:00 to 7:00, to 8:00, to 9:00. They could end up waiting through two and three flights if those other flights are booked. Excuse my ignorance, but is there not a process to deal with that particular passenger who ends up continually getting bumped even though there are other available flights? Mr. Barger. If I may, Congresswoman, from a JetBlue perspective--and you raise a very good point. Ms. Richardson. It was not on JetBlue, by the way. Mr. Barger. Thank you. You raise a good point, though, and we struggle as an industry, and we struggle as a carrier. When you have an operational issue on one plane, do you domino that into many other flights when, even though the customer at 5:00 is wanting to fly to Oakland from Long Beach and is wanting to get on the 6:00, there is not a problem with the 6:00 flight? So maybe the Members of the Committee may not like the answer, but we tend to inconvenience that group, that single group of customers, as opposed to domino it to several other groups. It seems like the best, if not a good, answer, but it really is just to contain that level of inconvenience to one flight. If I may also, I will just echo Richard's comments. We are using auto-dialing, and I think we are newer to the game than others because we had to learn some of the lessons to communicate with our customers from the February time frame through the use of technology, so I just wanted to acknowledge that. If I may, Mr. Chairman, just in the closing of my comments, I would also like to take the opportunity to recognize Congresswoman Juanita Millender-McDonald. We certainly appreciated her support down in Long Beach, and we look forward to working with you in the future. Ms. Richardson. Likewise. Mr. Chairman, my other question would be building upon this question here, what possible regulation we might be involved with to deal with that issue, because when you are in an airport and you continue to be bumped for three and four flights, it just seems, if for the airlines it is more profitable or beneficial in their minds to only have those 100 or 200 customers who are not happy, instead of 500, that it may not necessarily be what our constituents would prefer. Finally, coming from Long Beach, I wanted to give you a special plug. I heard several people talk about, you know, the chaos and the problems of what JetBlue, unfortunately, experienced--and what other airlines experienced, I want to fairly say--last year. Some people are not aware of the recent awards that you won, despite all of that, for being one of the best airlines in terms of timing and service to your constituents. So thank you, and that is my plug for being from the 37th. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Costello. I am sure that Mr. Barger appreciates how you ended your comments and your time. Mr. Barger. Yes, thank you. Mr. Costello. The Chair thanks the gentlelady. Let me say that we again thank our witnesses for being here, and we appreciate your thoughtful testimony. We appreciate the fact that you are taking action to prepare for the holiday season. As I have said before, one of our responsibilities in this Subcommittee is to provide oversight, to make certain that the FAA and other Federal agencies are doing their jobs; and we have a responsibility to make certain that the airlines and the consumers are working together and that the consumers are treated fairly. We will examine the holiday season when we are in 2008, and hopefully, we can come back at some point after the first of the year and get a good report from you and from others in the industry. There being no further business before the Subcommittee, the Subcommittee stands adjourned. 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