[House Hearing, 110 Congress] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] HEARING ON IMPEDIMENTS TO VOTER ENFRANCHISEMENT =======================================================================] HEARING BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ON HOUSE ADMINISTRATION HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED TENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION ---------- HEARING HELD IN PHILADELPHIA, PA, OCTOBER 5, 2007 ---------- Printed for the use of the Committee on House Administration Available on the Internet: http://www.gpoaccess.gov/congress/house/administration/index.html U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 40-510 PDF WASHINGTON DC: 2008 --------------------------------------------------------------------- For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866)512-1800 DC area (202)512-1800 Fax: (202) 512-2250 Mail Stop SSOP, Washington, DC 20402-0001 COMMITTEE ON HOUSE ADMINISTRATION ROBERT A. BRADY, Pennsylvania, Chairman ZOE LOFGREN, California VERNON J. EHLERS, Michigan Vice-Chairwoman Ranking Minority Member MICHAEL E. CAPUANO, Massachusetts DANIEL E. LUNGREN, California CHARLES A. GONZALEZ, Texas KEVIN McCARTHY, California SUSAN A. DAVIS, California ARTUR DAVIS, Alabama S. Elizabeth Birnbaum, Staff Director Will Plaster, Minority Staff Director HEARING ON IMPEDIMENTS TO VOTER ENFRANCHISEMENT ---------- FRIDAY, OCTOBER 5, 2007 House of Representatives, Committee on House Administration, Washington, DC. The committee met, pursuant to call, at 10:10 a.m., in room 400 of Philadelphia City Hall, Hon. Robert Brady (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding. Members Present: Representatives Brady and Lofgren. The Chairman. I would like to call our hearing of the Committee on House Administration to order, and I know all of our witnesses are here and I ask them if they wouldn't mind please taking the witness table. First of all, and in my mind most importantly, I want to thank Zoe Lofgren for coming here. Zoe is also the Vice- Chairwoman of this Committee, and she is the Chairperson of the Subcommittee on Elections. She is from the great state of California, a long way from here, and she graciously agreed to come and spend a couple of hours with us today, then we are going to try to let her see some of our great sights in the City of Philadelphia. If anyone has any recommendations, we could surely use them. Thank you for participating in this hearing and enjoying our city. We have with us today the Deputy Secretary of Administration Thomas Weaver, Commissioner Edgar Howard, Chairperson of the Commissioners, and Commissioner Marge Tartaglione and Mr. Bobby Lee, who has been around, as long as this building has been around. I appreciate your participation. It is my pleasure to be here and call this hearing to order. Members of the committee, witnesses and guests, I am pleased to bring the Committee on House Administration to Philadelphia today to discuss Impediments to Voter Enfranchisement. The right to vote and access to the polls are fundamental to our democracy. I want to get this hearing on the record. I want to get your testimony on the record, because there are a few things happening in the Supreme Court, and there are a lot of things happening in the United States of America. We want to be able to say that our city has one of the best voting systems in the nation. I have all the expert witnesses. We also invited-- in our city we have three Commissioners--a Congresslady, and one is of the minority, and we invited the minority Commissioner, Mr. Joe Duda, and hoped that he would come. He is a Commissioner of the Republican Party. So this is a bipartisan hearing. Since this nation was founded, we expanded the right to vote to include non-land owners, minorities, women, and 18- year-old citizens. I am interested in learning how today's witnesses have overcome problems with casting ballots. We will hear suggestions on improving the voting process. In 2000, the nation and the world watched Florida's recount. It took 30-plus days for the Supreme Court to decide the outcome of the presidential race. We will all remember the problems with that election, the ballots and the hanging chads. The only Chad I knew of prior to that election was Chad Everett, and now we know of all kinds of pregnant chads and dangling chads and all different kinds of chads. In some ways that helped us and led to the passage of the Help America Vote Act. This committee had a lot to do with getting that bill through Congress. Traditionally, states have paved the course for running elections. States and counties have been forced to decide between funding the maintenance of roads, construction of schools, and a lot of other programs. In 2002, for the first time in the nation's history, they provided federal money to run federal elections. I know it was never enough, and we have to try to increase that. Here in Philadelphia, plenty of attempts have been made to disenfranchise poor and minority voters through intimidation and suppressive tactics. I expect we will hear a few stories today. One of the worst stories I have ever heard took place in a Milwaukee African-American neighborhood in 2004. An entire neighborhood was blanketed with misleading fliers from a fictional Milwaukee black voters' league. These fliers falsely claimed that voters could be ineligible to vote if they violated traffic laws, if any family members had criminal records, or if they voted in a previous election that year, they didn't need to vote this year. That sort of manipulation must be stopped. Another voting obstacle threatens voters across the nation. A handful of states have increased ID requirements at the polls. In fact, the Supreme Court is set to hear a case this term on the voter ID issue. The Committee will pay close attention to that case. If these voter ID laws are upheld, poor, elderly, minority, and disabled voters will be discouraged from voting. Congress should be working to ensure that every individual that is eligible to vote will be able to do so. We should not be in the business of creating roadblocks for Americans who qualify to vote. Dedicated public servants, volunteers, and community-based organizations, like the ones we will hear from today, have been helping to monitor and combat problems voters face on Election Day. Additionally, this year the House of Representatives took a major step to prevent voter intimidation and misleading tactics by passing the Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act. This legislation will go a long way to prevent misleading fliers and misleading information from being distributed. Overcoming these barriers and expanding opportunities at the voting booth are priorities of this committee. We have a lot of work ahead of us, but we are on top of it, and we are ready for the challenge. Earlier this year a federal court upheld one of the most restrictive ID laws in the country. The Indiana law created unnecessary obstacles to citizens participating in federal elections and is nothing short of voter-suppression. I think it is unconstitutional in its application, and I intend to participate by filing an amicus brief with the Supreme Court, challenging the constitutionality of the law. My constituents are among those who would be most affected were this type of law extended to Pennsylvania, and I will not sit idly by as the constitutional rights of my constituents are eroded. Justified on the basis of administrative convenience, I will commit more to this issue in the future. I just want to briefly talk about this voter ID card. We have been through these hearings, Ms. Lofgren more than I have, being the Chairwoman on the Subcommittee on Elections, and we have heard about these voter ID cards. The best example I have is my mom. My mom is 85 years old. She doesn't drive anymore, though she may still have her driver's license, I know it is probably not current. She doesn't have a passport, nor do I. She doesn't have a birth certificate, nor do I. If we need them, we get them as we need them, and I don't have a copy of that. These are some of the things that can be used, plus some bills that you pay for instance, an electric bill, heat bill or, water bill. A lot of people that live in public housing don't have those bills. These are some of the ID requirements that she would need to get a free ID voter card. So they say it is not an unfunded mandate, but we believe that it is, because to get the certificates that you need to get the ID card, you have to pay for them. Not only do you have to pay for them, but you also have to come into town or go someplace to get them, and that is an inconvenience. The last thing we need, is to set any kind of inconvenience up for any one of our people that want to come out and vote. We need to clear up those obstacles, not create more. That is the purpose of this hearing, and to get on the record and hear your thoughts and be able to take them back to Washington and have some documentation on the record that we can use for ammunition. We have to fight. We have to fight to make sure that that doesn't happen. So again, it is my distinct pleasure to introduce for her remarks Zoe Lofgren, the gentlelady from California. Again, I thank you for your participation. [The statement of Mr. Brady follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 40510A.001 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 40510A.002 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 40510A.003 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 40510A.004 Ms. Lofgren. Well, thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and thank you for holding this hearing, and thanks to the City of Philadelphia for letting us be in this beautiful room in this beautiful city. I think this is an important topic for Philadelphia but also for the country. The Constitution says now, after much hard work over the decades, that all Americans get to vote. And so we need to examine when that right is threatened through procedural matters or the like. We need to make sure that if there are voter registration problems that prevent Americans from casting their votes that we address that. We need to attend to the lack of minority language election materials, when those are necessary. Make sure that the purging of voter lists doesn't improperly remove Americans who should be able to cast their votes. And that intimidation and other improper actions, such as intentional misinformation, doesn't have the effect of precluding Americans from voting. You have mentioned quite properly the voter ID requirement. This is something that is now occurring across the United States, and I think it is pretty obvious that it is an effort to prevent Americans who are low income from exercising their right to vote. Earlier this week, we had on another subject a witness before the Election Subcommittee, from Arizona, who told us--I was stunned--that if you come to the polls in Arizona with a United States passport, it is not good enough. They still won't let you vote. It is not a sufficient voter ID. So I think we have a serious problem here. I commend the Chairman for his leadership in stepping forward. Certainly we know that the court may act, but they will act to decide whether a statute is constitutional or not. That really doesn't address the question of whether Congress should step in and make sure that these voter ID laws are not used to preclude low-income Americans and elderly Americans from exercising their basic American right. I thank the Chairman for recognizing me. The Chairman. I thank the lady. Also I agree. I would like to thank Council President Anna Verna for allowing us to use these chambers and allowing us to have access to the staff and I thank the staff for being here today and for putting up with us for a couple hours. She is a lovely lady, and I do appreciate the Council President's courtesies. What we would like to do is, we would like to hear testimony from our witnesses. We have a clock that I am not going to use. We are usually strict in Washington, but this is the City of Philadelphia. As Commissioner Howard said, this is the city of brotherly love and sisterly affection. So we will disregard the timer. We would like you to keep your remarks under five minutes. We will hear testimony from all four witnesses, and then we would hope that you could stay around and we will have some questions at the end. So, Deputy Secretary of Administration, Mr. Thomas Weaver, you may go first. Thank you. STATEMENTS OF THOMAS WEAVER, DEPUTY SECRETARY OF STATE, COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA; MARGARET TARTAGLIONE, CHAIRWOMAN, PHILADELPHIA CITY COMMISSIONERS; AND EDGAR A. HOWARD, COMMISSIONER, PHILADELPHIA CITY COMMISSIONERS STATEMENT OF THOMAS WEAVER Mr. Weaver. Thank you, Congressman and Congresswoman Lofgren, good morning. It is certainly a pleasure to be here this morning. And on behalf of Secretary Cortes, thank you for the invitation to appear and to discuss what you folks have already outlined as one of our most fundamental principles in our democracy, the importance of voting and ensuring a successful vote and voter participation. Among its wide range of administrative responsibilities that affect all Pennsylvanians, the Pennsylvania Department of State oversees the elections process for all of Pennsylvania's 67 counties. Today I will briefly discuss how the Department works with counties to encourage voter participation and ensure that the Commonwealth has elections that are fair, accurate, and accessible. I will also comment on any potential challenges that discourage broad voter participation, particularly proposals to require photo identification in order to cast a ballot. As you are aware, and as you already mentioned, the federal Help America Vote Act of 2002 set forth numerous mandates, including standards for voting systems used in federal elections occurring after January 1, 2006. For Pennsylvania, that first election was the May primary of 2006. 12 systems are currently certified for use in Pennsylvania. These systems go through a two-tier testing process before the Secretary of the Commonwealth certifies them for use. The testing, coupled with the county's procedures and carefully monitored chain of custody, ensures that the votes cast will be accurately recorded and fairly counted. HAVA also sets forth requirements for accessibility and HAVA-compliant voting systems, allowing many voters with disabilities to vote independently for the first time. In addition to accessible voting systems, the Department has implemented an initiative to work to make polling places more accessible. In addition to physical access, the need for access also extends to those with limited English proficiency. The Department is committed to providing the right to vote to all and has translated many forms into several languages. Currently present in Pennsylvania, the languages include Chinese, Korean, Russian, French, Cambodian, and Spanish. In addition, the Department created a voting guide for new citizens, which was one of the first of its kind in the nation. The guide encourages our new citizens to become members of our democratic process. It is distributed at citizenship ceremonies and is being translated right now into five different languages. Another way to ensure fair, accurate, and accessible elections is to provide access to poll worker training. With input from counties, reviewing and updating the current election official and poll worker training certification programs, the Department is currently revising materials to incorporate two new sensitivity training programs for people with limited English proficiency and for people with disabilities. A video is also being created with HAVA funds to assist counties with training. Emphasizing procedures from the minute the polls open, to handling provisional ballots, canvassing the results, will be the goal of the training. We believe that better-informed poll workers will lead to better elections, and this training of elections officials is a top priority for the Department. Public education, though, is also critical. To meet the need for voter education, the state created Ready, Set, Vote, a state-wide voter education and outreach campaign developed in 2006. This multi-media campaign covered topics ranging from basic voter registration information to voter education about HAVA-compliant voting systems. The effort includes outreach campaigns to a range of communities across the state and reached hundreds of thousands of Pennsylvanians for the 2006 primary and general elections. The next phase of the campaign for 2008 is currently underway and in the developmental stage. I have covered how Pennsylvania works toward fair, accurate, and accessible elections. Now I want to turn my attention to the potential challenges that discourage broad voter participation, particularly proposals to require photo identification in order to cast a ballot. Reading numerous press reports, you hear of various types of impediments to voting, such as proposals to penalize groups for late registrations and legislation requiring proof of citizenship or proof of photo identification in order to vote. In Pennsylvania, Governor Edward Rendell vetoed such a bill in 2006. In his veto message he stated--in quoting the Governor, he said, ``At a time of growing apathy and cynicism among our citizens regarding elections, I believe that the government should be doing everything it can to encourage greater participation in the electoral process, not discouraging participation by placing additional limitations on the right to cast a vote. Moreover, without compelling evidence of a problem with the current system of voter identification in Pennsylvania, I see no reason to enact laws that will result in voter confusion, disenfranchisement to legitimately-registered voters. Some proponents of the bill claim that no one is actually being denied the right to vote. The voters are merely being asked to comply with a simple requirement meant to reduce the instances of voter fraud. They point to various acceptable forms of identification that are listed in the bill as support for their defense, that the provision is not an attempt to suppress turnout. Regardless of how long the list is of acceptable forms of identification, there are people who may not be in a position to produce any of them. People who live in a household where they lease, and utility bills are in someone else's names, people in nursing homes, and those who may have been temporarily displaced from the residence, to name just a few. As Federal Judge Harold Murphy very eloquently stated in a recent case discussing a similar bill enacted in Georgia, for those citizens, the character and magnitude of their injury, the loss of the right to vote, is undeniably demoralizing, extreme, as those citizens are likely to have no other realistic or effective means of protecting their rights. Others have suggested that this voter identification provision is needed to reduce the instances of voter fraud in Pennsylvania. However, I have not seen yet any evidence of widespread voter fraud impersonation in Pennsylvania that would justify imposing this additional burden on voters.'' The Governor noted that the National Commissions on Election Reform found that there is no evidence that fraudulent acts the voter ID provision seeks to address exist anywhere in the United States. Voter photo ID requirements also would slow the voting process, create longer waiting periods before citizens could cast their votes. The result would likely be longer lines, longer wait times, which may serve to additionally disenfranchise voters and suppress turnout. Mr. Chairman, Congresswoman, thank you again for the opportunity to be here and certainly be available for questions. [The statement of Mr. Weaver follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 40510A.005 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 40510A.006 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 40510A.007 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 40510A.008 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 40510A.009 The Chairman. Thank you, and thank you for your testimony. Commissioner Howard. Mr. Howard. I will let the Chairperson speak first. The Chairman. Chairperson Marge Tartaglione. STATEMENT OF MARGARET M. TARTAGLIONE Ms. Tartaglione. Good morning. I am Margaret M. Tartaglione, Chairwoman of the City Commissioners. The City Commissioners are elected officials responsible for administration of voter registration and conduct of federal, state, and local elections in Philadelphia County. I have been an elected City Commissioner since 1976 and have experienced many changes in the election law. The National Voter Registration Act of 1993, the opportunity for citizens to register and feel safe voting, to ensure they remain registered and eligible to vote and provide valuable information to the Commissioners in maintaining the accuracy and current of eligible voter files. The unfounded mandate also places substantial added responsibility on ongoing annual operations and cost to the county. In 2002, in the welcome departure from the past practice of federal and state government, Congress passed a Help America Vote Act, which included funds to partially pay for the costs of implementing and mandating changes. The Help America Vote Act, HAVA, particularly reimbursed Philadelphia for the cost of our successful switch from aging mechanical lever voting machines to a proven accurate, responsible, durable, and efficient electronic voting system. HAVA funds were also used to upgrade the electronic machines for 2002 standards and improve accessibility for the visually impaired. Prior to the 2004 and 2006 federal general elections, HAVA funds were used to conduct a massive voter education program, including HAVA mailing to every voter an advertisement in three daily and 28 weekly community newspapers. All of these changes, whether at the federal or state level, have placed increased responsibility and unfunded ongoing costs upon county governments and elected officials. These changes have also substantially complicated the Election Day process for polling places' officials without any increased annual funding for compensation or training. Recently proposed in Congress to change election laws requiring every voter to produce photo ID at the polling place and foolishly rush into added requirements for paper verification to an electronic voting system will result in even more responsibility, more unfunded annual operating costs, further complicating the voting day process for all poll officials and voters, and potentially result in the disenfranchisement and uncounted votes. The most immediate threat to ensuring that all qualified Philadelphians be able to vote and be assured that their vote will be accurately counted or counted at all in the next two federal elections is H.R. Bill 811. This legislation would require that Philadelphia set aside its proven, accurate, electronic voting system and lease a paper percentage count, optional scan system for the next four years. Philadelphia has not voted on paper for more than 50 years. Paper systems allow too much devices in the way voters make their selection known, leading to voter intent issue and challenge. The Philadelphia City Commissioners join the ultimate number of state and local government organizations opposing H.R. 811 or any legislation that does not provide for a reasonable development, testing, and implementation period. Full funding authorization and appropriation and requirements that enable county election personnel to secure and officially ensure that every vote cast is accurately recorded, stored, and reported, and certified. We will be glad to provide the committee additional information on our concerns and issues with the H.R. 811 Bill and other pending federal legislation upon request. Thank you. [The statement of Ms. Tartaglione follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 40510A.010 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 40510A.011 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 40510A.012 The Chairman. Thank you, Commissioner. Commissioner Howard. STATEMENT OF EDGAR A. HOWARD Mr. Howard. Good morning. It is indeed a pleasure to be here, and we thank you for this opportunity. I just want to talk about voting in Philadelphia as mandated by Pennsylvania law. The qualifications of the voter are very brief. You have to be a citizen of the United States for one month before the election. You have to be a resident of Pennsylvania in your election district for 30 days before the next election. You will be 18 years of age on the day of the next election. Philadelphia County is made up of 66 wards, with three wards being split into what we call A and B wards, so we have a total of 69. There are 1,681 political subdivisions in the City of Philadelphia. Within these subdivisions, there are approximately 992,000 registered voters, and that breaks down into 750,000 of those folks are Democrats, 149,000 are Republicans, and about 4,000 are registered as Independents. Pennsylvania being a primary state, the only people who can vote in a primary are, you have to be registered in your party, so that kind of knocks out Independents, because if you can't-- like, we just came through the mayor's race. You can't be an Independent and vote for a Democratic candidate or a Republican candidate for mayor because of our system. You can register to vote by mail. You can register to vote in person. You can register to vote in conjunction with an application for a renewal of a driver's license. You may register to vote at any government agency. And effective January 1, 2006, all applicants to register to vote had to include a valid Pennsylvania driver's license number, a Pennsylvania non-driver's photo ID number, or the last four digits of your Social Security number. All first-time Pennsylvania voters voting in their election district for the first time had to provide identification, and there is the list about identification that I will submit to the record, so I don't have to go through that. There are many things that we need to do, and the one issue I think that disturbs the Commissioners right now is HAVA has mandated that all polling places be handicap accessible. In Philadelphia, we are an aging city. In a lot of neighborhoods we do not have buildings that are handicap accessible. So consequently, what this law has done, I am quite sure not intentionally done, we are now pitting the senior citizens against those with disabilities as we scurry around trying to find polling places that are handicap accessible. I can always point to my own ward and the divisions within my ward, where a lot of the public school buildings are not handicap accessible. We may have four or five divisions voting in those buildings, and it becomes an awesome task trying to relocate them. And I think that it is just horrible that we are left with the decision, who do we disenfranchise, those who have a disability or those senior citizens who must now walk additional blocks? The other strong point about Philadelphia and its elections is that people love to walk and vote. That is a tradition in Philadelphia. And because of HAVA, that is now in jeopardy. I just think that HAVA needs to take another look at that, because here we have the process of a person can vote by an absentee ballot. We have alternative ballots who are specifically for people who are 65 years or older and their polling place is not handicap accessible. So it is not like we do not try to reach out to help people. And the issues about incidents that happened on Election Day, those incidents are reported to the Commissioners' Office. They are investigated, they are reported to the Committee of Seventy. They are investigated, and if need be, they are turned over to the District Attorney's office if it warrants any type of prosecution. Those are the safeguards that we have. But we also have a problem when people go to other agencies and say things, and we know nothing about it, and we are left holding the bag because we know nothing about anybody's complaint. And those are some of our concerns. I just wanted to state what I feel and what I have seen in the Commissioners' Office in my brief term. And I thank you for this opportunity to address this distinguished body. The Chairman. Thank you, Commissioner. Bobby Lee. Mr. Lee. Yes. I don't have a statement. I basically came along in order to answer questions, but I would like to add something about the photo ID proposals. From my knowledge, I don't know of any single photo identification available from a government agency that would provide all of the information on that one ID that they are asking for in some of these bills. I mean, you don't need to be a citizen to get a driver's license, so you can't prove citizenship with a driver's license. Some of the information that may be on the driver's license is not on a passport. Voter identification cards do not include photos. So the problem basically is that there is no single, one piece of identification now that would provide that, unless the federal government is going to go forward and develop and implement a national ID card that every citizen must carry. So you get into a lot more chilling aspects once you go down that road. Pennsylvania's law went one step further than HAVA, went a little bit further than HAVA. HAVA requires that anyone who registers by mail for the first time in a county provide ID either when they are registering or when they vote. The legislature in Pennsylvania went one step further and decided that any individual who is voting for the first time in their election district, regardless of the source of the application, provide identification when they vote for the first time. Fortunately, through our voter education programs, and through some help with the media and other organizations, we have alerted our voters to bring ID with them when they go to vote. But that does not help those individuals who do not have the ID that is listed. Although Pennsylvania does have an expanded list of ID, and the fact that they can use a voter registration card that was issued and mailed by our office as that ID, even though it doesn't include a photo, helps. But the move to require a photo ID at the polls for every voter for every election is basically unnecessary. There is no foundation to the urban legends regarding imposters voting. We had a City Council primary here in Philadelphia one time that was decided by 99 votes, Democratic primary. One candidate sued. One candidate came in and examined the poll books that the voters signed on Election Day. They used volunteers that do that, and they were using rulers to measure signature specimens. Based on that unscientific method, they filed a complaint in court saying that there were 1,100 imposters out of 26,000 votes cast. Well, naturally, both sides then hired handwriting experts, and they came in and they really examined the records, and they looked at the poll books over a period of two or three elections to account for changes in signature specimens. And when both sides got done, even the petitioner's handwriting expert said, at most, out of the 26,000 signatures, there may have been four imposters. So not only have I not seen proof that imposters are voting, I have seen the other side of it, where people claimed they were, and I have seen proof that they didn't. And any time that we get challenges or questions regarding imposters voting, there was another case where another Council candidate initiated an investigation by the State Attorney General with the same claim. They were provided all the poll books. They were provided all our records, and the case was unfounded and never went anywhere. So I haven't seen any indication or need that every voter, every election, provide a photo ID with expanded information on it. I just think it is a barrier to voting, and it is going to disenfranchise those who ought to vote the most, those who need to have a voice in their government and support of their government. The Chairman. Thank you, Bobby. I just have a couple of quick questions to anyone, because you have a lot of Commissioners up there, and the Secretary could answer. Anyone who wants to answer. Same-day registration, what is your feeling about same-day registration? I guess this must be your baby, hey, Bobby? Mr. Lee. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it, because the further down that track we go where we don't have people registering ahead of time and being able to produce a street list of eligible voters and files of eligible voters for both parties to review and look at before the election, then the further we go down to creating more urban legends of people showing up at the polls who are not qualified and just signing a piece of paper and voting. The other problem is dual voting, voting in more than one district, and voting in more than one county. Although I have seen only two instances where an individual has actually voted in two counties in the same election in 24 years. The voting districts in Philadelphia are so close together that you could walk literally five blocks and vote in two or three polling places. And there is an idea out there that with the statewide registries, we could put laptops in the polling places, and once somebody votes in one district, it will prevent them from voting in another district. I don't want to see our poll workers trying to determine eligibility using laptops. Denver tried that, and they had some issues and complaints and problems. I just think that the current situation, where you need to register or register 30 days before an election, allows the government agency that is responsible for conducting a safe and secure election is the most workable solution for a large, major urban area. It may work in some states. There is North Dakota, that has no registration. It may work for them. For Philadelphia, I believe same-day registration is probably not a road we want to go down. It doesn't seem that we have a problem with people registering in Philadelphia. I prepared some detailed answers to the questions that was provided to me. In 1992, in the five months before the Clinton and Bush I, general election, we received and processed 293,000 paper voter registration applications. That amount of work was equal to about one third of our file at the time. In 2004, in the same period before the Kerry-Bush II election, we received and processed 252,000. We have a very active political party structure here in the city. Committeemen, ward leaders, political organizations, in both parties, in certain areas are always out registering people to vote. We have 527s that come here all the time, three or four different ones every major election. Community organizations, union organizations, they are all very heavily involved in registering citizens, and I think the opportunity to register is already there, and I don't see a need for changing that process with same-day registration. The Chairman. Anybody else care to comment? Secretary? Madam? Ms. Lofgren. Well ---- Mr. Weaver. I think ---- The Chairman. Go ahead. Mr. Weaver. I am sorry. Ms. Lofgren. Go ahead. Mr. Weaver. I think he certainly outlined the issues and the problems that would occur with same-day registration. The issue of voter fraud, which has not been found to be a problem, really, across the United States, same-day registration, if not done properly, could, in fact, lead to voter fraud, as he had indicated. The Chairman. Madam Chairwoman. Ms. Lofgren. Well, if there is a highly contested election, and whether it be a committee person, legislator, Congress, that in their districts, somebody could come to every one of the polling places and be a first-time register, register, and vote. Now, if this would come to light and go to court, and they say, who did he vote for? This is a secret ballot. Maybe he would go to jail for that, but I may lose, you may lose, their ballots are secret. The Chairman. I wanted to get a lot of these questions asked. I have a couple more, and then I will let the gentlelady from California go, I know she has some questions. You need to understand that some of these questions I don't know the answers to, but this is a big country with a lot of states, and the State of California doesn't necessarily have the same regulations that we do, and I would want the lady to hear some of this so we can bring it back. We heard a lot of interest on same-day registration. And fortunately or unfortunately, all these issues will come in front of us and are in front of us right now, and that is what we need to get on the record, and I would like the lady from California to hear that. Yes? Mr. Howard. Mr. Chairman, the other thing I think that needs to be addressed is the issue that all across the United States voter registration is done differently. Every state, it is done differently. I mean, with all the technological advances and the machines that we use now, the data systems that are used, voter registration hasn't changed. It is still done with pen and pencil and paper. The Chairman. You are right. Again, just for the record and also to get more information for the gentlelady from California. The other day, the Election Subcommittee Chairwoman, Ms. Lofgren, held a hearing on poll workers. She is a tireless worker, and she gets all the testimony and hears from people that come in front of her committee, but she hasn't heard from you. What is the status of poll workers in Philadelphia? Do you have enough? What training are they given? Are they paid? How much are they paid? What solutions would you suggest to increase the number of qualified poll workers? Now, those are four or five questions that I know you know all the answers to. It isn't like these questions haven't been asked before. You all are experts up here, so I want you to just run through that. Not for me, but for the gentlelady from California so she can get some idea of how we operate and what happens in the City of Philadelphia. We do have our battles here. 99.9 percent are unfounded. We do have a great system that does work. In the end, it does work out for itself with a lot of checks and balances. Fortunately we do not have much voter fraud, that I believe anyway, has been substantiated or proven. There are always allegations, because there is always a winner and there is always a sore loser, as it should be. But if you could just expand on a few of those questions so that the gentlelady can get a feel for things. Mr. Lee. Yeah. There are 1,681 voting districts. The average voting district has five polling place officials. Three of those positions are elected positions. They are in the state Constitution, they are constitutional officers. The other two positions are appointed. Fortunately in Philadelphia, because we have a very strong party structure with committeemen, ward leaders on both sides of the aisle, and with the help of existing poll workers, we have not had difficulty in getting polling place officials. The ward leaders, the committee people, the party chair, even people that serve on the boards, when they find a vacancy, they provide the valuable service of finding an individual to fill that vacancy. So we actually tried a recruitment program in our office for polling place officials because of that valuable service provided by the structured authority out there, and it has been out there for years and still exists. They are kind of like the oil in the machine. The other thing is training. Training is difficult. There are 8,500 of them across the city. We conduct more than 315 training classes for our polling place officials for each and every election. It consists of about a half hour classroom time on the operation of a polling place and then another half hour time on the operation of the voting machine. The polling place officials are paid $20 for attending that, if they serve on Election Day. That money is added to their check. In addition to that, we have between 250 to 300 bilingual interpreters that we assign to polling places to provide oral assistance, mostly in Spanish. We have just instituted in the last three elections a program where those officials are brought down and tested, certified to make sure they speak the language they claim and, if so, they are trained, and they are paid $30 for going through that testing and training program, provided they work on Election Day and show up. Naturally, when you are dealing with 8,500 people who are two-day-a-year employees, at 1,681 locations, and we have a staff of maybe 80 permanent employees, Election Day is like sitting on 1,600 shuttle launches at one time. These people, they are your neighbors, they are your friends. They do the best they can. They try to learn, they try to do the best they can. They try to be fair, and they try to conduct an election that is accurate and reliable. And another issue, I guess, while I am on it, the fortunate thing is having so many voting districts. Our voting districts are between 600 and 800 voters. Philadelphia has always gone to the added expense of paying all these poll workers, but it is very good, because you don't often see the kinds of waiting times in Philadelphia that you read about in some of the other counties and jurisdictions across the country, where they may have 3,000 voters, 10 poll workers in a voting district. And that, in and of itself, runs into problems with locating sufficient accessible polling places. But could the training be improved? Sure. But the problem is, if you try to keep a poll worker out there for a three-hour training class, you are going to lose them. Some of these poll workers have been doing this for years, and they tell you that, and I have been doing this for 30 years. So we try to concentrate on those issues that may be new, issues where we have had notification that there were problems regarding specific items, and the fact that we get attendance between 5,000 and 6,000 at our training classes each election has helped us to go forward. Naturally, it is not perfect. You are going to have garden-variety errors and mistakes occur on Election Day, and we try to do whatever we can to resolve those issues. The Chairman. Thank you, Bobby. If you wouldn't mind, can you give me some more information on same-day registration? I need to know more about it and what you've talked about today. I would like to have some information that I can use. This is an issue that is going to come up pretty soon. If you could get that to me. Mr. Lee. Yeah, I can get that to you. The Chairman. I appreciate that. Now it is my pleasure to recognize the gentlelady from California. Ms. Lofgren. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and this is really a very helpful hearing. On the issue of same-day registration, we are going to have a hearing on that subject in--I can't recall when it is, but in the near future, and what I would like to be able to do is to give the testimony that we will receive to you, so that you can evaluate it. This is a very diverse country. And there are--in Minnesota, for example, the Members of Congress from Minnesota are very keen on this, and I don't know whether things are different in Minneapolis than Philadelphia, but I am a strong believer of sharing information and experiences among knowledgeable people and that we all learn when we do that. So I look forward to that opportunity. On the issue of absentee ballots, we have the legal ability--that doesn't mean that we should take that legal ability--to set certain requirements for the conduct of Federal elections, or elections for the House, to be more specific. However, if we were able to, or if the consensus was that we should do that, it obviously would probably result in the entire electoral system in a particular state changing to that. And so one of the questions is the right to have an absentee ballot. In California, that is not to say it is the right thing, but it seems to have worked well for us. You don't need to be sick or disabled. You can just ask for an absentee ballot and vote, and it saved the counties which have the responsibility for running these elections a lot of money because it is more efficient. It gets done beforehand. They have also moved to early voting, which is actually done at the Registrar of Voters in advance on weekends so that you--and the whole effect is to reduce the number of people showing up on Election Day, which reduces the cost and confusion on Election Day. I am wondering what your thoughts are on the Federal Government getting involved in that, versus states' just reaching that conclusion on their own? The Chairman. We all know that when Congress passes something and it is only for Federal elections, what winds up happening is, it is used for all elections. No state or jurisdiction is going to run dual voter registration or election systems or processes because that would only lead to confusion amongst voters from one type of election to another. They don't know the difference between a federal election and a local election. They just come out, and they want to vote. I know that Pennsylvania's voter registration laws are severely restrictive in that you need to either be outside of your municipality on Election Day while the polls are open or be disabled. With the passage of the ADA, the Secretary of the Commonwealth issued a directive in '92 allowing us to use alternative ballots for those individuals impaired by age, who are 65 or older, or with a disability. That process allows voters to get that ballot back by the close of polls, where the Pennsylvania normal rule requires it back by the Friday before the election, and that is restrictive. There could be an expansion of that time so that it comes back the night before the election. But I am not sure at this point how we feel about universal absentee voting. Oh, boy. I don't see an issue, with the exception of making it happen. Mr. Howard. I think there---- The Chairman. That implementation. Mr. Howard. I think that the issue of no-excuse absentee voting, I think it is great. I mean, you know, it makes things a lot easier. Ms. Tartaglione. I am 100 percent for it. Mr. Weaver. The Pennsylvania Elections Reform Task Force convened in 2004, in late 2004 and 2005, and issued a report in 2006. And I don't have that report with me, and I do know that absentee balloting was discussed, and I would be glad to forward that to the committee to see if Pennsylvania had taken a position on that. If there was a position taken, it has not yet been implemented, because voter registration is still conducted the same way. But I would be glad to forward that to the committee. Ms. Lofgren. I appreciate that, and I know, Mr. Chairman, you have another panel of distinguished witnesses, so I don't want to delay too much further. But again, this is very helpful and useful information, and I am looking forward to mutuality of sharing as we proceed further on these interesting issues, since the whole country is so diverse. I thank you for recognizing me. The Chairman. I thank the gentlelady. And again, thank all of you. You need to understand how important this is to us, because we do hear these. It comes in front of our committee, comes in front of the gentlelady's subcommittee, and the knowledge is important. We need to hear from you, and I hope that maybe you can come down when we do have a hearing to testify again in Washington. We wanted to make it a little more convenient, you know, to get some testimony on the record right now, but we are going to need it again when another hearing comes up to be able to get this on the record and share this information. Because it is state to state, and we need to bring some uniformity to the process as best as we can. Thank you, Mr. Secretary, Commissioner Howard, Chairperson Tartaglione, Bobby Lee. Thank you so much. I would like to call the next panel up, please. [Recess] The Chairman. Good morning. I really want to thank you for being here and testifying in front of us. As I said earlier, if you weren't here what would we do. We like to get testimony from everyone. Try to keep it to five minutes, but that is fine if you need to go over. After everyone testifies, we will have some questions for you. It is my pleasure now to have my Councillady, Carol Ann Campbell testify. She is also the Chairperson of the African-American Ward Leaders, someone who has been extremely involved in politics, and extremely involved in voting for way longer than I can remember, and has a wealth of knowledge of the system. So it is my pleasure to hear testimony from Councillady Carol Ann Campbell. STATEMENTS OF CAROL ANN CAMPBELL, COUNCIL MEMBER, PHILADELPHIA, PA; ROBERT SANTIAGO, DIRECTOR, COUNCIL OF SPANISH SPEAKING ORGANIZATIONS; ZACH STALBERG, PRESIDENT, COMMITTEE OF SEVENTY; AND J. WHYATT MONDESIRE, PRESIDENT, NAACP PHILADELPHIA CHAPTER STATEMENT OF CAROL ANN CAMPBELL Ms. Campbell. Good morning. Thank you, Chairman Brady and distinguished members of the Committee on House Administration for joining us here in the City of Philadelphia. I am Councilwoman Carol Ann Campbell, and I would like to thank you for giving me the opportunity to address this very important subject. I am the Chairperson of the Handicap and Disabled Committee of Philadelphia City Council. I am committed to protecting the rights of the disabled, and as the Chairperson of this committee I have pioneered and proposed a change to the Charter, which is Philadelphia's governing instrument. The Charter change provides for the creation of the handicap and disabled advocate. The disabled community faces many impediments to voters' enfranchisement. Non-accessibility is the number-one challenge. The government must address it in a meaningful manner. Some persons with disability are unable to wait in line to vote, and it may be time for the government to consider online voting as a means of addressing some of these non-accessibility issues. You have come here and asked us to talk about a very important subject, impediments to voter enfranchisement. This is a matter in which I know a great deal about. For more than 15 years, I have served as the chairwoman of the African-American Democratic Ward Leaders of Philadelphia. Our organization represents more than 900,000 African-American residents in the City of Philadelphia. Under my supervision as chairwoman, and the support of Congressman Bob Brady, more African-Americans have been elected to public office than at any time in the history of Philadelphia. Our role is traditional. We organize, mobilize, and inform voters in our communities about their choices on Election Day. This is no small task. It is no small task because, far too often, government hinders, not helps, the working men and women of our community in their effort to exercise their constitutional right to vote and participate in their democracy. I believe there are four principal impediments to voter enfranchisement. First, we face impediment to actually voting through an emerging pattern of voter ID requirements, prohibiting same-day voter registration, having Election Day be a work day, and prohibitions on felons' voting. We face machinations, technicalities, obscure and insidious regulations used to keep our votes from being counted after they have been cast. The saga of the 2000 presidential election, the drama of voting in Ohio in 2004, and the unresolved matter of the 13th Congressional district in Florida are all clear examples of this problem. Second, we face restrictive ballot access laws, intimidating petition requirements, inconsistent application of election law, confusing financial disclosure forms that reduce the number of candidates allowed on the ballot. Voters have fewer candidates to choose among for almost all public offices today than voters did 100 years ago. This problem is further complicated by the disproportionate influence of money in this process. The vast majority of voices people hear speaking on issues are the voices of money. We don't have free and fair elections if voters don't get to hear the voices of candidates without money. We need public forums where all candidates have equal opportunities to speak. Third, with over 100 beautiful languages spoken in this city, we face a language barrier for those who have not learned English as their native tongue. This also applies to men and women with different physical abilities. Committing more financial and personal resources to expanding the accessibility of polling places must be a high priority of government at every level. Fourth, to require such forms of identification as passports and driver's license, we place an undue financial burden upon many people, including the elderly and people living on fixed incomes if they had to purchase these items for voter identification, the documents that they would need. I have been involved in dozens and dozens of elections. My knowledge on this matter is a second only by my passion for them. I believe so strongly that if government knowingly disenfranchised one voter, we have failed as a democracy. Thank you for your presence here today and the important work that you continue to do. I am happy to answer any questions that you may have. [The statement of Ms. Campbell follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 40510A.013 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 40510A.014 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 40510A.015 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 40510A.016 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 40510A.017 The Chairman. Thank you, Councillady. Next, we have Mr. Roberto Santiago, who is with CONCILIO, the Council of Spanish Speaking Organizations. Mr. Santiago. STATEMENT OF ROBERTO SANTIAGO Mr. Santiago. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Congresslady Lofgren from California, good morning, and thank you for the opportunity to hear my concerns regarding voter enfranchisement. My name is Roberto Santiago, and I am the Executive Director of the Council of Spanish Speaking Organizations. For the last 11 years I have had the enormous privilege to lead the oldest Latino Organization in the Commonwealth, CONCILIO. Founded by a group of Puerto Rican community activists in 1962, CONCILIO's mission has been to ensure that equitable social, educational, health, and cultural services are available and accessible to everyone. I have no special credentials. My only possible attribute comes with 30 years of experience in community service inside poor neighborhoods in Philadelphia, western New York, and Puerto Rico. And I am also a U.S. Navy veteran. I am a member of a family with four generations of proud military service in the United States Armed Forces. For the last two decades I have watched in dismay and disbelief the boldness in which devices are employed to impede citizens from exercising the right of suffrage. I should note that political disengagement is anathematic to Puerto Rican culture. Puerto Ricans participate in elections at far higher rates than voters in the United States. At 81.7 percent in 2004, Puerto Rico is considered one of the highest records of voter participation in the democratic world. Our systems are mirror images of each other. We have an independent judiciary, a two-chamber legislature, a strong executive branch, and we use the pluralist form of election system. Yet here in Philadelphia we struggle to stimulate meaningful participation in local elections. Are Latino voters not turning out, or are they just being turned off? Is it voter apathy, or is it voter discontent? I am not in a position to make such a conclusion. But let me share with you some of the most common concerns of people in the neighborhoods. On every Election Day, myself and a significant number of my staff travel the breadth of north Philadelphia polling places. We serve as poll watchers, independent observers, and translators. This is what we hear, and this is what we see. One, lack of language interpreter support. There is at times total absence or an inadequate number of interpreters in heavily-laden language minority polling sites. The, ``oh, I am sure there is one around,'' answer to voters' request for an interpreter is unacceptable, is offensive, and in violation of Court agreement. The selection process of interpreters is unclear, and it is perceived as politically influenced. We ask what skills are required to become a Spanish language interpreter? Are there any formal training requirements? Are there any credentialing requirements? These are all questions that are answered in a very nebulous form. In many cases, voters are unable to distinguish voting officials from party or candidate operatives. There are multiple complaints of poll workers' engaging in helping voters to fill out their ballots and instructing them how to vote. We ask that you require the display of official photo ID badges on the outer garment which clearly indicate name, titles, and party affiliations where applicable, for every poll official. Candidates and party operatives improperly hinder the free movement of voters' entering and exiting polling places. Aggressive canvassing practices outside polling area create an unpleasant and sometimes hostile, vulgar, and violent atmosphere for voters. Voters are least likely to vote when they fear obnoxious and aggressive solicitation. The gauntlet-like experience discourage participation in the electoral process. It is seen as a political strategy designed to discourage voter participation in neighborhoods likely to vote for the contender. It is especially intimidating to first-time voters, women, and the elderly. As of yesterday I tried narrowing down what the distance between the door and solicitation was. I called Ms. Tartaglione's office. I was told by an individual in that office that, ``to my knowledge, there are no distance requirements.'' I called the State to find out they are 10 feet. In any case, we ask that buffers be expanded, and where enforcement of this expansion is not possible, then do without it altogether. We don't really need this kind of harassment for voters. I am going to cut my statement because I am running out of time. There is more to it, but I want to conclude, and I wanted to ask this committee to play a role in increasing voter participation, to encourage, facilitate, reward, and implement Election Day registration, vote-by- mail, early vote, and certainly bilingual ballots. This is especially valuable to seniors, language minorities with limited English skills, the physically challenged, the marginally literate, and to anyone who needs and wants additional time to make a thoughtful choice. Mr. Chairman, I understand that institutional change is slow and rarely cheap, but in my opinion, when the citizens' rights to vote collide with the interest of a candidate or impinges upon the convenience of an electoral system, it is the interest of the citizen voter which must prevail. We cannot fear the implications and consequences of a free and just electoral process. A representative democracy becomes a worthless, philosophical abstract when the free exercise of the vote is denied or is unachievable by every single man and woman. For the victim, democracy becomes but a painful farce, a pretense, a rhetorical concept. In short, an illusion of inclusion. I pray unto you, Mr. Chairman, I pray unto you, members of this committee, and I pray unto every honorable man and woman of this great country, let our people vote. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for your time. I ask that my testimony be entered in full into the record. Congressman Brady, I now stand before this committee to answer your questions. The Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Santiago. Thank you so much. Next we have Zach Stalberg, who is the CEO and president of the Committee of Seventy. For Californians, the Committee of Seventy is about 70 or so people that have formed to watch over elected officials and politicians, and they have been watching us for many years and have become intermingled with us now in causes such as elections so that we can work together on these issues. So, Mr. Stalberg. STATEMENT OF ZACH STALBERG Mr. Stalberg. Thank you very much. I am Zach Stalberg, President of the Committee of Seventy, a non-profit and non- partisan organization. Seventy has long conducted an election oversight program and voter protection program that is probably the oldest and largest such program in the country. Simply put, and I also want to respect the time of everyone here and this committee, the Committee of Seventy favors increased voter participation and is concerned about any requirements that discourage voting. Many people view the expansion of voting rights as a natural and inevitable progression. There are others who continue to seek restrictions. These arguments are typically advanced in the name of combating election fraud and ensuring honest elections. Efforts to restrict voter participation, however, can be the product of partisan politics or a desire to maintain the racial or economic status quo. Legitimate fears about election misconduct are not misplaced. Those well versed in political history are familiar with many cases of election fraud stretching back to our nation's founding. Election- related violations, sometimes involving criminal conduct, have been committed by party bosses, election officials, political campaigns from both major parties, from our most rural counties to our largest cities. However, Seventy believes that these incidents did not justify making it much harder for individuals to vote by insisting upon far more stringent identification requirements. The operative word here is stringent. Such requirements may be an inconvenience to all voters, and they disproportionately impact minorities, seniors, and people with disabilities. Federal and Pennsylvania Law require two forms of identification. One, a comparison of each voter's Election Day signature with a scanned version of the signature from their registration form. And two, specific additional proofs of identity for voters voting for the first time or voting for the first time in a division. Even if free photo identification were provided, the burden of supplying certain supporting documents and the time and trouble to obtain the photo could be difficult for many US citizens. These are very real barriers to voter participation, especially among disadvantaged Americans. Additional voter identification requirements should be very carefully considered unless the Help America Vote Act requirements are proven to be inadequate in order to prevent fraud by individual voters. The benefits of individual requirements should also be proven to outweigh the potentially significant costs. In addition to these views, I would like to offer some additional recommendations for increasing national voter participation and removing existing barriers. While these recommendations arguably concern matters of state administration, our very mobile society makes them relevant to all jurisdiction. One, reduce voter registration deadlines. Pennsylvania has a voter registration deadline of 30 days prior to an election. Many voters seek to register or to update their voting addresses after this deadline, and especially as the election becomes more interesting to them. With advances in technology, we believe this deadline can be shortened. Two, national no-fault absentee balloting. In Pennsylvania, a voter must provide justification for voting absence. While voting in person is optimal, a significant benefit of mail-in voting, both to individuals and the community, is reducing lines at the polls. No-fault absentee ballots can dramatically reduce the time commitment required of voters, especially during high- interest and long-ballot elections. Three, uniformity of provisional ballot rules. In Pennsylvania, a provisional ballot cast in an incorrect precinct is counted for all races which correspond to the voter's correct precinct. Under this system, a voter may lose one or two legislative votes, but their top- of-the-ticket and at-large choices cast by a professional ballot are counted. In some other states, provisional ballots must be cast in the correct precinct in order to be counted. If you attempt to vote in the wrong place, you are out of luck. This more restrictive rule disenfranchises individuals. Applying the more expansive provisional ballot rule across the states would avoid this problem. Four, federal funding of elections. The Help America Vote Act provided significant funding for voting equipment, thereby removing at least some of the disparity in voting access between affluent and less affluent counties. While we believe local administration of elections best serves the interest of the voters, local funding for elections only perpetuates this disparity, particularly as voting equipment ages and more state and federal mandates are passed. As long as election operations must compete with important services such as police protection and schools for a piece of the local budget, there is a real risk of neglect and significant breakdowns on Election Day. Once again, thanks for the opportunity to testify. [The statement of Mr. Stalberg follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 40510A.018 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 40510A.019 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 40510A.020 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 40510A.021 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 40510A.022 The Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Stalberg. Next is Jerry Mondesire. Jerry Whyatt Mondesire is the President of the NAACP and a tireless fighter for people's rights of all creeds, races, and religions, and we do appreciate your testimony. You are the clean-up hitter. We needed you Wednesday and Thursday, but you are here now. Mr. Mondesire. I would like to hit as well as Ryan Howard. I thought he wouldn't be here. The Chairman. I would like to hear from you, Mr. Mondesire. Thank you. STATEMENT OF J. WHYATT MONDESIRE Mr. Mondesire. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you, Ms. Lofgren, from California. And my days of working for Bill Grabb, brought plenty of copies, so I will leave them with you. I just want to give you some introduction and stress a few things in conversation that are real important to us. Thank you again for inviting us to testify along with my colleagues and the other members of the City government who have testified. It is only fitting and proper that we gather here in the Philadelphia City Council chambers to discuss impediments to voter enfranchisement. Within these walls many great debates about our city have raised, some of grand consequence, school funding, neighborhood transformation, how to address the rise in gun violence, and some of small consequence as well. But, however, no matter of the content of these debates, nor really their outcome, what is most important is that they were made by representatives of the people, duly elected and sworn to serve the people. It is important that the people have a voice in this process and that their votes count and are counted. At the NAACP, this issue is not new to us. Specifically, we would recommend that this committee consider very strongly support of S 453, a bill introduced by Senators Obama, Schumer, and others to address the prevention of deceptive practices and voting intimidation in federal elections. Two, ask tough questions about the purging of voter lists in an often random and arbitrary way by election officials across the country. Three, give serious consideration to the idea of same-day registration. And last, but certainly not least, file an amicus brief with the Supreme Court in opposition to voter ID's as they consider the Crawford v. Marion County Election Board and the Indiana Democratic Party v. Rokita. Requiring voter identification at the polls places an unfair and onerous burden on prospective voters that will ultimately discourage people from participating in the democratic process. There are fundamental problems with the concept of voter ID's. First, it is nearly impossible to tie a voter identification to a universal piece of identification. If you accept a driver's license, what about those who don't drive, the elderly, the poor, and those who take public transportation? If you have lost your license, you have lost your right to vote. That is insane. The American Association of People with Disabilities reports that nearly three million disabled people do not have any form of government identification. Some would like us to consider a state-issued voter identification. The insanity here continues. What about the cost? Charging what is effectively a poll tax that would provide a further hardship to the poor. How do we issue this identification? It would be another burden on the voter and further impede their right to vote. I will also ask that this committee consider taking up the very thorny issue of restoring the right of ex-felons to vote. We are the only NAACP branch in the country to win that right to vote in our state, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. It was 1999. The case was called Mixon v. Commonwealth. It was written by an ex-felon, and the NAACP signed on as an amicus brief in that case, and it was decided by one vote. Just one Commonwealth Judge in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania gave the right of ex-felons their right to vote again. You should also be aware that in this state, and I presume it is also the same for states across the country, when you come out of prison, you have no ID. That is a big issue for ex- prisoners. We work with a lot of ex-felons in some of the rehab housing programs that we do, and when we pay them, we find out that they can't cash the checks because they don't have ID. They didn't have licenses while they were confined, driver's licenses, so clearly they don't have driver's licenses to cash their checks. So we don't believe in voter ID's. We would urge you to consider taking up the felon disenfranchisement issue, especially as it pertains obviously only to federal voting. There are many serious issues, and we are glad that you, Chairman Brady, and you, Ms. Lofgren, have thought enough about these to come to Philadelphia, and you can always count on us at the NAACP, both here locally as well as the state and across the country, to work with you to make sure that our people of all colors, of all backgrounds, new citizens as well as old citizens, have a chance to participate in the greatest democracy in the world. Thank you very much. [The statement of Mr. Mondesire follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 40510A.023 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 40510A.024 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 40510A.025 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] 40510A.026 The Chairman. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mondesire. Thank you for asking for us to support the Senate Deception Practice Bill. In June the House passed HR 1281, the Deceptive Practice and Voter Intimidation Act of 2007. As an original co-sponsor of this legislation, I support all efforts to prevent voter suppression. We will fight to get this thing passed. Mr. Mondesire. Thanks. The Chairman. I will throw some questions out to anyone who wishes to answer, again, to get you on the record. It would be impossible to have eight distinguished witnesses come down to Washington, to have all of you testify. As the gentlelady from California did, we get one, maybe two that can come from this area in support and to get your thoughts on the record that we could take with us. One of the questions I asked the other panel I will ask you, too. And Mr. Santiago, I have a quick comment for you. It must be hard for people coming to this great country from Puerto Rico where you have elections--I think you have 90-some percent participation, and I even understand that you paint your houses from time to time in favor of your candidate--and to come here and see the apathy that sometimes happens, that we may cause, that causes the low turnout in the country, not only in the city, but in the country. So I appreciate your prayers, although I would like to see them for our troops and for some children that may need them, but I will take them anyway that we can do the right and proper thing. But it must be hard for you when people come over and we must be doing something wrong here because that practice of them wanting to vote doesn't continue let alone stay at that 90-some percent level, or paint their houses. I was extremely impressed by that. My question would be to anyone, again, on the same-day registration. As Chairman of the committee, I have gotten a few requests to introduce a bill on that regard. I want to have some information, and I want to have some ammunition to bring back to have knowledge of what we should possibly recommend for same-day registration. Does anybody have some thoughts on that? Mr. Stalberg. As I stated, we believe that the registration period can be shortened as technology improves. I respect the comments earlier from Bob Lee about the down-sides of same-day registration itself. But there are 30 days between the current deadline and same-day registration. And I think it does encourage participation if we--over time we can shrink that period. Mr. Santiago. I take a perhaps more radical approach. My sense is that the right of the individual to vote has to be supreme over the inconvenience of a political system. Let them figure the way. Let them figure the way how to make it happen. But for those that can and want to vote, we should remove any obstacle that prohibits them from doing so. The Chairman. My only problem, and I shouldn't call it a problem, my concern is that we might make it easier for somebody to violate a law and take advantage of a system that we have in place. We don't certainly want to do that, but I understand and appreciate what you are saying. Yes? Mr. Mondesire. Well, the technology that exists today, as you know, Mr. Chairman, would mitigate against that. And you don't have to remove the 30-day waiting period all at once. You could do it in stages, and you could watch and see how the thing progressed, just like we have changed since the bad, old days of hanging chads and missing punch hole things. And you remember what we did here in Philadelphia? We brought the modern voting machines over a period of time. So I agree with Mr. Santiago and Mr. Stalberg that we need to shorten that window. You know, maybe in the next couple of years in Pennsylvania it could be 20 days and then 10 days and then hopefully 24 hours. I have to excuse myself. I have another appointment, but I didn't want to miss your important hearing. So if there are other questions, your wonderful staff can contact me, and I will be glad to cooperate. The Chairman. Thank you, and thank you for your participation. Councillady. Ms. Campbell. Thank you. The Chairman. You have an interest, and you are a champion for the people that need help, for people that have a problem getting to a poll, with the handicap accessibilities. What could we do? What could happen in the City of Philadelphia when there is a problem with handicap accessibility? I, myself, being involved in the political system, have a division where I vote, and in the division where I live and where I vote and where I used to live and voted, there were no businesses. They were all residential, and none of them were handicap accessible. Because of that, there may be a Law that says we can't vote in that division, we might have to vote two or three divisions over. And as we heard from Commissioner Howard, people like to walk a vote, not drive a vote. Isn't it a bigger handicap for someone to get into a special van and go two or three more miles to vote than it would be if we could figure out a way that we can have voting where some places are more handicap accessible? I know that you are a tireless advocate for that, and I'd like to have your thoughts. Ms. Campbell. Well, being handicapped and having become handicapped, you become more sensitive to the needs of people that are handicapped. And online would be a way, if a person was really certified as being disabled. I think a lot of the responsibility should fall on the municipality because, although a lot of places are not handicap accessible, you can get a very inexpensive, temporary ramp that could be put over at least three steps or a big incline for a wheelchair to go in or for a person on a walker to be able to use. I think that the main problem is that unless a person has lived with a handicapped person, is friendly with a handicapped person, or has a member of their family, they are not as sensitive to the needs of a handicapped person as they should be. You will have people tell you that a place is handicap accessible. I have had this happen to me, and when we got there, there was one, small step, that if you can't walk, you can't take it. And I think that when it comes to voting, that is a Constitutional right that everyone should be able to exercise. And I think that no amount of expense is too much to make that possible. As I said, I just don't think government has gotten to the point where they are really sensitive. We are here in City Hall. There is only one entrance way that you can come into City Hall in a wheelchair, and that is to circle the entire building and come through the courtyard and come in where there is no steps in that one door. Now, you would think that with a city of this magnitude that that wouldn't be the case with City Hall. And so, if that is the way it is for City Hall, imagine what it must be for voting. But they are going to have to eventually look at an alternative way for handicapped people to be able to vote, whether it be by a special ballot, whether it is one designated place they have to go, but then you have to realize, a lot of handicapped people don't have transportation. Everyone doesn't have the luxury of having a van that has a wheelchair lift that you can go up and come out and then go in. But as I said, I don't think the sensitivity level is where it really should be. Maybe--I can only speak about this municipality. I can't speak about across the country. But I know that it is not there yet. And as I said, just look at City Hall. As many people as you have in wheelchairs, and there is only way, and to tell you the truth, when I started working here, I had to send my people out to really go over the City Hall completely to find out the best way that I would be able to enter, because we were worried about it, you know. And as I said, there just has to be more sensitivity about people who are disabled because they--in fact, there is a lot of disabled people that would love to vote, and you find that on Election Day, when you are placing calls, they would love to come, but they can't enter the polls because it is not handicap accessible. And then, as you know, in this neighborhood, with its neighborhoods and the city of neighbors that we have here, a lot of people's residences are used for voting. It is not so bad when it is a public place, or it is a store that someone has given us. So there has to be an alternative way for these people to be able to cast their vote. The Chairman. Thank you. Thank you, Councillady. Also we are joined by the distinguished Majority Leader of City Council, Councillady Jannie Blackwell. Thank you. Gentlelady from California, are there any questions? Ms. Lofgren. Just a few. Thank you very much for this testimony, and I was wondering, Councilwoman, what your thoughts would be on--it is easy in California actually. I represent San Jose. In 1960, the population of the City of San Jose was under 50,000. It is over a million today. So that growth has all been new, and so all the buildings are new, and it is just easy to comply. With an older city such as this, it is a completely different set of challenges. And as you were talking, I was thinking about my mother-in-law is in a wheelchair. Now, we have Thanksgiving at our house every year. 40 people come, and we built a ramp so that once a year we can have my--my mother-in-law can very easily--we wish it was more often, but it is very difficult for her to travel. It doesn't meet ADA requirements, that ramp, but actually it works. And the question, I guess, is, do you think there is a way to relax the ADA requirements if it is for a one-day voter purpose and it is a safe approach to--is that an approach that might make sense, do you think? Ms. Campbell. I think it would. I think by any means necessary. I think the greatest Constitutional right you have is the right to vote. And I don't think anyone should be denied that opportunity. Ms. Lofgren. Your testimony is very powerful on that point. Ms. Campbell. Okay. I mean, that is what I just really feel. I feel, as I said, I find there is a lack of sensitivity in a lot of places, as far as people. I never really realized. I wasn't cognizant of it before I became disabled, but once I became disabled, you pay particular attention to what really goes on in the dealing with people that are handicapped. I am blessed because I have a lot of people that are around me, a lot of people that help me, and I have a tremendous support system. But everyone doesn't have the luxury of that. Ms. Lofgren. That is right. I was interested in the comments on people who have paid their debt to society, but they are permanently barred from ever voting again. And this is, again, one of the things that we hope to look at in the hearing later this year, on whether felons who have served their sentence or finished with their parole, they have paid their debt to society, whether there shouldn't be some national rule where those individuals who are now expected to come back and integrate into society shouldn't fully integrate and also become voters. And it seems to me that there is a civil rights component to this as well. When you take a look at who is in the nation's prisons and jails because of a variety of reasons, including disparity of sentencing, you end up with minorities who are being disenfranchised, to the point where it is a substantial number of African-American men in particular, are unable ever to participate in the electoral system. And that strikes me as something very troubling. Do you? Ms. Campbell. It does need to be addressed, because they do have to pay taxes. They don't say, because you are a felon you don't have to pay taxes. You have to pay taxes, and they have to pay taxes. Then they have the right to exercise their Constitutional right to be able to vote. It seems to me that once you have paid your debt to society, that should suffice. That should be sufficient. And I think it is going to the extreme to deny people, because people do change. They do change. A lot of times people have to go through the experience of being turned around completely from something terrible that they have done, and I know I don't look at things as I did when I was 20 years old. In fact, sometimes I think I had more sense when I was 20 years old than I do right now, to be perfectly honest, you know. I think as I get older sometimes I get wilder and crazier. But really I do think that they have a right. I think to deny them that right is morally wrong. And I think that once people have paid their debts, you know, judge ye not unless you be judged, you haven't walked in their shoes. So you don't know what brought them to that point in their life that caused them to do what they did. And I don't think any of us have led such a pristine life that we have the right to judge them. Mr. Stalberg. The Committee of Seventy agrees that there should be a fair national standard that re-enfranchises felons. As Mr. Mondesire pointed out, that is not a problem in Pennsylvania, although in practicality getting the proper identification is. But it is a problem elsewhere in the country. Ms. Lofgren. I want to ask just about two other issues. The Chairman mentioned the bill that the House has passed about voter intimidation, and I think it is a very important measure, and I hope that the Senate will either adopt Senator Obama's bill or our bill or something so that we can make that Law before the next election. But one of the things that we did not include and that I hope that we can--we are planning to take a look at, and I don't know if it has been a problem here in Pennsylvania or not. But it is the issue of harassing robo- calls. What we found in California and also in some other western states, one candidate's campaign would place these robo-calls repeatedly, and in the middle of the night. So that, you know, you are a voter asleep, and it is 2:00 in the morning, and it is 3:00 in the morning, and it is 4:00 in the morning. And you are getting repeated phone calls, and you think it is the candidate. But it is actually the opponent who is getting those calls placed, to the point where there was such harassment that voters--I mean candidates who were victimized by this had to stop their voter--their get-out-the- vote efforts. People--you can imagine when you are woken up repeatedly in the middle of the night, it does not make you feel friendly towards the person who you think is instigating those calls. Was that an issue here in Pennsylvania that you know of? Ms. Campbell. Not to my knowledge. We have received robo- calls but normally they are during---- Ms. Lofgren. But not in the middle of the night. Ms. Campbell. No, not the middle of the night. Ms. Lofgren. All right. The Chairman. We may, now. Ms. Lofgren. Sorry. Now I have lost my train of thought. I guess the final question that I have really goes to something called vote caging. And we have a hearing in the Judiciary Committee, that I also serve on, when we looked at the US Attorneys and the politicization of the Justice Department, and this was one of the issues that came up. And it sounded somewhat innocuous when the Justice Department lawyers talked about that they had done this in their spare time, where they had sent mailings to make sure that, you know, we didn't have people no longer eligible to vote. And then I saw actually the public television did a story, and here is what happened. They picked out neighborhoods that were low income, African-American neighborhoods, Latino neighborhoods, neighborhoods where sometimes the mail didn't get delivered as reliably as in some other neighborhoods, or neighborhoods where there were a large number of young people who are away at college, sent in mailings. And then, when they were not returned, reported those voters as no longer there, so that we ended up with 20 or 30 percent of the African-American and Latino voters disenfranchised in that community. I am wondering whether anything like that has happened here in Pennsylvania and if we ought not to look about prohibiting that when it has a disparate, adverse impact on protected classes of Americans. And there is a reason why, you know, we are still alert to discrimination against African-Americans and Latinos. It is because there is discrimination, and we need to be especially alert in those circumstances. Mr. Stalberg. If I may, I would like to let Christopher Sheridan, who is the head of the voting rights and election reform program for the Committee of Seventy just comment briefly on that, because it is an issue. Mr. Sheridan. In a number of occasions in the past, I think most recently in 2003, we have seen instances of using mail to build challenge lists on behalf of one major political party, and I think--so it has been an issue that we have seen. I think generally when we have gotten to the polls, I don't know that it has always been followed through on. Usually the mail comes back, and there is a new story, this many people aren't there. But we haven't seen a whole lot of challenges in the field based on this. But it is something--it actually goes back to Tammany Hall in the last century, caging is a very old practice. And it is something that, you know, it is discriminatory, and it is something that you should take a serious look at prohibiting, along with false literature, which may be covered in, I believe it was 811 or Senator Obama's bill. We do see---- Ms. Lofgren. And the bill passed by the House, the false literature is covered by that. Mr. Sheridan. Well, yeah, we do see false literature on Election Day. We frequently have to come to Election Court to get an order against false and misleading literature. So I do think it is an issue, especially in highly competitive, you know, general elections. Ms. Campbell. From my experience as the Secretary of Democratic Party in addition to being Chair of the African- American Ward Leaders, you have a lot of problems on Election Day in the minority wards. A lot of times people are removed from the registration rolls, but no one can give you an answer as to why. I find that sometimes there are many things that happen in the minority wards that do not happen in other wards, such as machines being broke seven o'clock in the morning, when we have new machines. Machines being jammed. And sometimes there is a pattern in certain wards where this does happen. Now, I don't know whether it is the fault of the machine or the lack of maybe the proper care. I don't know. But I just find it very strange that this does happen in the minority wards. Ms. Lofgren. At this point I have exhausted my questions, but I will say I understand why, when Chairman Brady comes to Washington, he is always bragging about where he is from, and the people he represents, and how smart they are, and how savvy they are. And I can see that from the witnesses today. And it has really been an honor, Bob, to be down here with you, and I commend you again for holding this hearing. The Chairman. Thank you. It is also my honor to show you off a little bit and let my friends that I have known for many, many, many, many years see who I serve with and help me look good, too, in my committee and in Congress. We were joined by the Majority Leader, Councillady Jannie Blackwell. Would you like to comment on anything? I know you have the box in your office, and you heard some of the testimony. Is there anything that you would like to say? Ms. Blackwell. Certainly, absolutely. Certainly I want to thank you both for being here to deal with this important issue. Our Congressman knows all the issues we face as ward leaders and elected officials in our districts. And I remember the year, so, talking about the handicapped, I remember before we had the law where we had to make all our sidewalks handicapped, a wheelchair could get down one side and not up on the other. So we have come a long way, certainly, in spite of our issues. But with regard to voting, it is just important that people be given the opportunity to submit their ballots when they can't vote. I remember before my mother passed how difficult it was. And the last time I had forgotten to file my absentee ballot, and I took her, and of course they let me in, and she was just overwhelmed being inside a machine and having names and numbers so high, and it was just too much for her. And so it is just important that in order to make sure that people have their rights, they are allowed to file ballots. And I do believe, I thought that the new machines would change the problems we had with voting, but we still have problems. I suppose it amounts to intent. It amounts to will. People want to do it right. It happens right, but when we have controversial elections, we find that somehow, somewhere, we still have voter machine errors in certain areas. That is an issue. How it happens, only God knows. We don't know. But we support the effort. We thank you for having this hearing. We thank our beloved Congressman Bob Brady, and certainly we support whatever we can do to make sure that people in America have a right to this tree of life, and that includes voting and the ability for all people to vote. Thank you. Thank you, Congressman. The Chairman. Thank you, Councillady. I would also like to ask unanimous consent to hold the committee record open for five days for inclusion of additional materials and written answers to questions. The Chairman. Thank you. I thank the panel again. Thank you for your participation. Believe me, you don't know how important this is for us to have this on the record so that we can take the information back and insert it any time we have a hearing. We can insert your testimony, and we can make your feelings known without you actually having to be there, and it gives us good ammunition. So I thank all of you for your time and your participation. I especially thank the two Councilwomen for allowing us to infringe upon your turf for a moment or two and also the Council president for allowing us to use this facility. Again, a wholehearted thank-you to my colleague and friend from California, to Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren, for coming out here and spending time. She could have been home the rest of today like I have, but she spent another day here with us, and we are going to show her a little bit of the City of Philadelphia. I thank all of you, and this hearing is now adjourned. 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