[House Hearing, 111 Congress] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] THE 2010 CENSUS COMMUNICATION CONTRACT: THE MEDIA PLAN IN HARD TO COUNT AREAS ======================================================================= HEARING before the SUBCOMMITTEE ON INFORMATION POLICY, CENSUS, AND NATIONAL ARCHIVES of the COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED ELEVENTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION __________ FEBRUARY 24, 2010 __________ Serial No. 111-83 __________ Printed for the use of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform Available via the World Wide Web: http://www.gpoaccess.gov/congress/ index.html http://www.oversight.house.gov THE 2010 CENSUS COMMUNICATION CONTRACT: THE MEDIA PLAN IN HARD TO COUNT AREAS THE 2010 CENSUS COMMUNICATION CONTRACT: THE MEDIA PLAN IN HARD TO COUNT AREAS ======================================================================= HEARING before the SUBCOMMITTEE ON INFORMATION POLICY, CENSUS, AND NATIONAL ARCHIVES of the COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED ELEVENTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION __________ FEBRUARY 24, 2010 __________ Serial No. 111-83 __________ Printed for the use of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform Available via the World Wide Web: http://www.gpoaccess.gov/congress/ index.html http://www.oversight.house.gov U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 61-800 WASHINGTON : 2010 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office, http://bookstore.gpo.gov. For more information, contact the GPO Customer Contact Center, U.S. Government Printing Office. Phone 202�09512�091800, or 866�09512�091800 (toll-free). E-mail, [email protected]. COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM EDOLPHUS TOWNS, New York, Chairman PAUL E. KANJORSKI, Pennsylvania DARRELL E. ISSA, California CAROLYN B. MALONEY, New York DAN BURTON, Indiana ELIJAH E. CUMMINGS, Maryland JOHN L. MICA, Florida DENNIS J. KUCINICH, Ohio MARK E. SOUDER, Indiana JOHN F. TIERNEY, Massachusetts JOHN J. DUNCAN, Jr., Tennessee WM. LACY CLAY, Missouri MICHAEL R. TURNER, Ohio DIANE E. WATSON, California LYNN A. WESTMORELAND, Georgia STEPHEN F. LYNCH, Massachusetts PATRICK T. McHENRY, North Carolina JIM COOPER, Tennessee BRIAN P. BILBRAY, California GERALD E. CONNOLLY, Virginia JIM JORDAN, Ohio MIKE QUIGLEY, Illinois JEFF FLAKE, Arizona MARCY KAPTUR, Ohio JEFF FORTENBERRY, Nebraska ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON, District of JASON CHAFFETZ, Utah Columbia AARON SCHOCK, Illinois PATRICK J. KENNEDY, Rhode Island BLAINE LUETKEMEYER, Missouri DANNY K. DAVIS, Illinois ANH ``JOSEPH'' CAO, Louisiana CHRIS VAN HOLLEN, Maryland HENRY CUELLAR, Texas PAUL W. HODES, New Hampshire CHRISTOPHER S. MURPHY, Connecticut PETER WELCH, Vermont BILL FOSTER, Illinois JACKIE SPEIER, California STEVE DRIEHAUS, Ohio JUDY CHU, California Ron Stroman, Staff Director Michael McCarthy, Deputy Staff Director Carla Hultberg, Chief Clerk Larry Brady, Minority Staff Director Subcommittee on Information Policy, Census, and National Archives WM. LACY CLAY, Missouri, Chairman CAROLYN B. MALONEY, New York PATRICK T. McHENRY, North Carolina ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON, District of LYNN A. WESTMORELAND, Georgia Columbia JOHN L. MICA, Florida DANNY K. DAVIS, Illinois JASON CHAFFETZ, Utah STEVE DRIEHAUS, Ohio DIANE E. WATSON, California HENRY CUELLAR, Texas Darryl Piggee, Staff Director C O N T E N T S ---------- Page Hearing held on February 24, 2010................................ 1 Statement of: Bakewell, Danny, chairman, National Newspaper Publishers Association; James L. Winston, executive director, National Association of Black Owned Broadcasters; and 1Sandy Close, executive director, New America Media...................... 374 Bakewell, Danny.......................................... 374 Close, Sandy............................................. 388 Winston, James L......................................... 382 Groves, Robert, Director, U.S. Census Bureau; Jeff Tarakajian, executive vice president, DraftFCB; Robbyn Ennis, senior associate media director, Globalhue; and Nelson Garcia, Sr., vice president/media director, Globalhuelatino............................................ 13 Ennis, Robbyn............................................ 143 Garcia, Nelson........................................... 133 Groves, Robert........................................... 13 Tarakajian, Jeff......................................... 24 Narasaki, Karen, executive director, Asian American Justice Center; Arturo Vargas, executive director, National Association of Latino Elected Officials; Helen Hatab Samhan, executive director, Arab American Institute Foundation; and Linda Smith, executive director, National Association of American Child Care Resource and Referral Agencies................................................... 293 Narasaki, Karen.......................................... 293 Samhan, Helen Hatab...................................... 341 Smith, Linda............................................. 361 Vargas, Arturo........................................... 316 Letters, statements, etc., submitted for the record by: Bakewell, Danny, chairman, National Newspaper Publishers Association, prepared statement of......................... 378 Chaffetz, Hon. Jason, a Representative in Congress from the State of Utah: Information concerning the adjudication process.......... 279 Letter dated May 14, 2010................................ 284 Summary of the 2010 address canvassing cost analysis..... 162 Clay, Hon. Wm. Lacy, a Representative in Congress from the State of Missouri, prepared statement of................... 3 Close, Sandy, executive director, New America Media, prepared statement of............................................... 390 Cuellar, Hon. Henry, a Representative in Congress from the State of Texas: DraftFCB subcontractor obligations to date............... 216 Letter dated May 14, 2010................................ 165 Ennis, Robbyn, senior associate media director, Globalhue, prepared statement of...................................... 145 Garcia, Nelson, Sr., vice president/media director, Globalhuelatino, prepared statement of..................... 135 Groves, Robert, Director, U.S. Census Bureau, prepared statement of............................................... 15 Jackson Lee, Hon. Sheila, a Representative in Congress from the State of Texas: Black audience media buy schedule: print and radio....... 224 Letter dated January 13, 2010............................ 400 Letter dated January 15, 2010............................ 403 Letter dated March 9, 2010............................... 219 Letter dated May 14, 2010................................ 174 List of local Black newspapers receiveing 2010 census advertisement.......................................... 406 Prepared statement of.................................... 181 Johnson, Hon. Henry C. ``Hank,'' Jr., a Representative in Congress from the State of Georgia, prepared statement of.. 373 McHenry, Hon. Patrick T., a Representative in Congress from the State of North Carolina, prepared statement of......... 9 Narasaki, Karen, executive director, Asian American Justice Center, prepared statement of.............................. 295 Samhan, Helen Hatab, executive director, Arab American Institute Foundation, prepared statement of................ 343 Smith, Linda, executive director, National Association of American Child Care Resource and Referral Agencies, prepared statement of...................................... 363 Tarakajian, Jeff, executive vice president, DraftFCB, prepared statement of...................................... 26 Vargas, Arturo, executive director, National Association of Latino Elected Officials, prepared statement of............ 318 Waters, Hon. Maxine, a Representative in Congress from the State of California: Letter dated May 14, 2010................................ 155 DraftFCB subcontractor obligations to date............... 193 Winston, James L., executive director, National Association of Black Owned Broadcasters, prepared statement of......... 384 THE 2010 CENSUS COMMUNICATION CONTRACT: THE MEDIA PLAN IN HARD TO COUNT AREAS ---------- WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 24, 2010 House of Representatives, Subcommittee on Information Policy, Census, and National Archives, Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Washington, DC. The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 7:12 p.m., in room 2154, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Wm. Lacy Clay (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding. Present: Representatives Clay, Cuellar, and Chaffetz. Also present: Representatives Waters and Jackson Lee. Staff present: Darryl Piggee, staff director/counsel; Jean Gosa, clerk; Yvette Cravins, counsel; Frank Davis and Anthony Clark, professional staff members; Charisma Williams, staff assistant; Leneal Scott, IT specialist--full committee; Jim Hayes, minority professional staff member; and Adam Fromm, minority chief clerk and Member liaison. Mr. Clay. The subcommittee will come to order. Good evening and welcome to tonight's hearing entitled, ``The 2010 Census Communication Contract: The Media Plan in Hard to Count Areas.'' Today's hearing, as the title indicates, will examine the 2010 Census Integrated Communications Campaign in hard-to-count areas. The hearing will assess and examine ethnic print and broadcast media's role in preventing an undercount. We will further examine avenues to aid the Census Bureau in its efforts to reach those who are more likely to be undercounted-- children, minorities, and renters. We have with us today a distinguished colleague, Representative Maxine Waters of California who has asked to participate in this hearing. I want to welcome her and express my appreciation for her attendance, and I ask unanimous consent that she be allowed to participate. Thank you. Without objection, the chairman and the ranking minority member will have 5 minutes to make opening statements, followed by opening statements not to exceed 3 minutes by any Member who wishes to make one. Without objection, Members and witnesses may have 5 legislative days in which to submit a written statement or extraneous materials for the record. The purpose of today's hearing is to examine the Census Communications Campaign in hard-to-count areas. An unprecedented amount of Federal dollars has been expended toward the constitutionally mandate exercise of counting our Nation's population. We have the funding necessary to carry out this endeavor. However, we must assess and ensure the best placement and use of our taxpayer dollars. Let me state again, these are taxpayer dollars. We cannot forget that. So we must, through our oversight, ensure that the taxpayer receives their money's worth. Advertising dollars must be contributed to specific mediums to best touch our Nation's hardest to count population. I salute Dr. Groves for his efforts and hope this hearing brings forth great ideas and input from all who care so deeply about this issue. On our first panel we will hear from Dr. Groves and the Census government contractors who will testify about the Census campaign, including the media strategy, development, and placement of advertising dollars. Our second panel includes leaders of some of the largest civic and professional organizations dedicated to minority participation, education, and equality. These witnesses have been instrumental in spreading the message of Census and will testify regarding their experiences and concerns. This panel is acutely aware of the challenges of enumerating the hard-to- count population. Our last panel consists of not only media experts in ethnic broadcasting but also those whose endeavors focus on our most hard-to-count population, our Nation's children. These witnesses serve as the active, trusted voices in many of the hard-to-count communities. This panel will offer recommendations they believe will improve the effectiveness of the media campaign going forward. Census day is a mere 5 weeks away, so let's work together and exchange ideas to ensure an accurate count. I thank all of the witnesses for appearing and look forward to your testimony. [The prepared statement of Hon. Wm. Lacy Clay follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.001 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.002 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.003 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.004 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.005 Mr. Clay. I now yield to the distinguished ranking member 5 minutes. Mr. Chaffetz. Thank you, Mr. Chairman; and I thank you all for being here this late and unpredictable hour. I appreciate your patience and understanding. Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent to submit the statement of Ranking Member Patrick McHenry, who was detained and who could not be here. Mr. Clay. Without objection. Mr. Chaffetz. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Hon. Patrick T. McHenry follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.006 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.007 Mr. Chaffetz. I do want to talk about the details of what is happening and not happening within the advertising. This comes around once every 10 years, and I recognize the short amount of time that we have until the execution, and we need the maximum participation from the American people. We want to encourage everybody to participate in every way, shape, or form and recognize the difficulties in trying to get the hard to reach and hard-to-count populations. Obviously, on both sides of the aisle, we want to make sure that everyone is counted. It is a very difficult task, to say the least. As the chairman said, we are using taxpayer dollars and so we want to ensure that those are being maximized and we are getting the maximum results. I, for one, am terribly disappointed in the Census, in their inability and unwillingness to cooperate in giving us details that we have asked for repeatedly. I hold Director Groves personally accountable for his unresponsiveness in a repeated nature. I think it is terribly disrespectful and unacceptable. When I have asked repeatedly for information, you have repeatedly refused to give it to us. I am a Member of the U.S. Congress. You have a duty and an obligation to perform your duties and provide this Congress and this committee details that we ask for. Sir, I find your actions reprehensible. I will continue to grill you as long as it takes, and the organization, to provide the information that I think the American people should have; and I hope at some point there is some sort of attitude adjustment in providing the information that I think the American people should have. I don't think that we can continue on like this. It is a late hour. The Olympics are on, and there is a lot happening. I promise you we will continue to pursue this information well into the future and hope at some point you give us a genuine answer and provide genuine information, as you promised in the last hearing I was in with you, because I think the information and the promises you gave me personally in this committee were not followed up. That is my personal perspective. You may have a different one. I respect that. But I assure you we will continue at this until we get the information we have asked for. Further, I believe we need to look at the results of the advertising campaign and the direction that it is going. I hope you understand and respect that we are not here to just pat you on the back, that we are here to ask you difficult questions, and I have some serious questions about what we are doing and not doing in that regard. Following up long term, I do have questions about the American Community Survey, the questions that are asked, how that is executed, the money that we have spent on it. We won't have time in this hearing, but I would like to followup with the appropriate panel members, Mr. Chairman, as we move forward on that in the future. I yield back the balance of my time. Mr. Clay. We will maintain order and decorum in this hearing; and, Mr. Chaffetz, we will maintain a tone here that is civil. I now recognize the gentlewoman from California, if she has an opening statement. Ms. Waters. Thank you, very much Mr. Chairman. I am very appreciative for your allowing me to participate in this hearing today. I know that you have been working very, very hard and you have been keeping many of us informed about what is going on with the Census Bureau and the Census count that is being attempted, but I am increasingly concerned about much of the information that I am getting. Some of it has come from the Black newspapers, Black radio stations, some of the information that has come from minority organizations, period. It appears that our message of the undercount is not being respected. The fact of the matter is, every 10 years we learn about the undercount, and you would think that the undercount communities would be targeted with the necessary resources to reverse that and to get a better count. But it does not appear to be happening. I am concerned about the way in which conclusions are reached about how to reach minority populations. There is a lot of speculation about what is and what is not proper and appropriate and effective in reaching minority populations. I have not heard any information about how these conclusions were reached, whether or not there were the kind of focus groups that represented these populations. I have not seen the research. I have not seen the data that supposedly represents these communities, and the money does not appear to match the need. And so I am here today to learn what is going on. I think we may have some additional work to do. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I yield back the balance of my time. Mr. Clay. Thank you so much, Ms. Waters; and perhaps we will get some of the answers to your questions this evening. You raised legitimate concerns, and we certainly want to have yours and Representative Chaffetz's questions answered. So let's start by introducing the panel. We will hear first from Dr. Robert Groves. President Obama nominated Dr. Groves as Director of the Census Bureau, and Dr. Groves began his tenure on July 15, 2009. Dr. Groves is well qualified for the position that he holds as Director of the Census Bureau. Testimony on this panel will also come from DRAFTFCB, Mr. Jeff Tarakajian, and subcontractors GlobalHue and GlobalHueLatino, represented by Robbyn Ennis and Mr. Nelson Garcia. Jeff Tarakajian is executive vice president of DRAFTFCB, the prime contractor of the 2010 Census Integrated Communications Campaign. Ms. Robbyn Ennis is the media director at GlobalHue, a Black-owned, full service advertising agency. Ms. Ennis is an experienced advertising professional with 12-plus years of media planning and buying experience. Ms. Ennis manages overall media planning and buying operations of GlobalHue. Mr. Nelson Garcia is the senior vice president/media director at GlobalHueLatino. Mr. Garcia is a 30-year advertising industry veteran. Mr. Garcia has held multicultural media management positions at top mainstream and leading specialty multicultural advertising agencies. Thank you all for appearing before the subcommittee this evening. It is the policy of the committee to swear in the panel. [Witnesses sworn.] Mr. Clay. Let the record reflect that the witnesses have answered in the affirmative. Each of you will have 5 minutes to make an opening statement. Your complete written testimony will be included in the hearing record. Of course, you know the lighting system in front of you. Dr. Groves, you may proceed with your opening statement. STATEMENTS OF ROBERT GROVES, DIRECTOR, U.S. CENSUS BUREAU; JEFF TARAKAJIAN, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT, DRAFTFCB; ROBBYN ENNIS, SENIOR ASSOCIATE MEDIA DIRECTOR, GLOBALHUE; AND NELSON GARCIA, SR. VICE PRESIDENT/MEDIA DIRECTOR, GLOBALHUELATINO STATEMENT OF ROBERT GROVES Dr. Groves. Chairman Clay, Ranking Member Chaffetz and other members of the subcommittee, I am happy to be here to testify on the 2010 Census Communications Campaign. I personally am confident that the campaign is a sound design, the messaging is clear, and that our contractors, with the guidance of my colleagues at the Census Bureau, are purchasing media that will reach hard-to-count populations and motivate them to respond to the Census. Consistent with the statistical mission of the Census Bureau, the campaign was designed based on statistical data. Let me tell you a bit about how we did this. The staff first assembled rates of response to the 2000 census way down at the Census track level and also undercount estimates for key socio-demographic groups. Groups with low participation rates were identified for disproportionate focus. Then the contractor identified media outlets that reached those different groups, focusing when appropriate on in- language media. It was clear from this that more funds should be spent locally than nationally, and that is true in contrast to the 2000 media buys. Then the media buys were directed by the nature of the need for a given audience. By that, we mean whether print media were chosen, radio media, TV, or digital media. The campaign is designed in three phases. There is an awareness phase that is going on right now through mid-March. The second is a motivation phase that runs mid-March through mid April. And the third is a nonresponse followup stage that is designed to ensure or encourage the population to cooperate with Census takers who visit their homes to followup those households who did not send in their Census form. The mass advertising part of this campaign will target the English-speaking audiences, and additional specific advertising will be geared toward a range of diverse audiences, including hard-to-count populations. The mass campaign is designed to reach the almost 85 percent of the residents who consume paid media and who speak English only. However, it is also going to reach other ethnic and language audiences, especially the Black audience to the extent that they are consumers of those same media outlets and diverse mass. Each of the targeted audience plans--Black, Hispanic, Asian, etc.--has been designed to penetrate the individual markets sufficiently to achieve our campaign goals. The research behind the campaign focused on understanding the societal factors that help contribute to low response rates in the 2000 series. Among the key indicators are the rates of public assistance in the area, unemployment rates, homeownership versus renting, and linguistic isolation. This research, along with commercial market research from Arbitron, Neilsen and Simmons gave us the guidance to guide the media buys. Then our contractors entered into negotiations for the media buys for national and local outlets. They followed industry practices which seek added value from the outlets beyond the price of the placements sought by an advertiser. An example of this for the 2010 campaign is additional broadcast spots provided for free, celebrity endorsements or mentions of the Census in programming or through public service announcements. As of late January, the Census team had negotiated almost $30 million in added value for media outlets. When all is said and done, we expect that to represent about 25 percent when finalized after nonresponse followup. I have focused on the media plan. However, I think it is important to understand that this is only one component of our outreach and promotion strategy. Advertising can increase awareness, but it takes trusted voices to persuade people to participate in the Census. I am happy to report that we have now over 200,000 partner organizations around the country that have volunteered to help us get the word out to their constituencies, and I know with the help of this committee and other Members of Congress that we will get other voices out saying the same message. Mr. Chairman, I am aware that some Members of Congress have received letters from local media outlets in their districts questioning the fairness of the amount of money spent. I can honestly say that the program was set up in an objective manner, guided by data on what audiences needed given their historical behavior. Not all media outlets will receive contracts, but I am confident that the messages needed for the different audiences are being delivered. We acknowledge that no plan is perfect, and we have held back money of the total amount to react to response rates as they emerge in the last weeks of March and the early weeks of April. That held-back money will be targeted through new media purchases to the areas that are returning the questionnaire at lower than expected rates. Thank you for your time today, Mr. Chairman. I look forward to your questions. [The prepared statement of Dr. Groves follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.008 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.009 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.010 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.011 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.012 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.013 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.014 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.015 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.016 Mr. Clay. Thank you, Dr. Groves. Mr. Tarakajian, you may proceed with your opening statement. STATEMENT OF JEFF TARAKAJIAN Mr. Tarakajian. Mr. Chairman, members of the subcommittee, the entire Team Census 2010 thanks you for the opportunity to be here today and talk to you about the Integrated Communications Campaign. Today's topic, the 2010 Census Communications Contract: The Media Plan in Hard to Count Areas, is our focus for today. Joining me are members of the team who are experts on the planning and execution of the media effort for key multicultural audiences, including hard-to-count areas. Julia Chen from the IW group is here, along with Bob Smith from DRAFTFCB. As I have stated in previous testimony, the communication strategies and the budget allocation decisions that we have made have consistently placed greater emphasis on reaching and motivating hard-to-count audiences. The budget allocations are disproportionately greater to hard-to-count audiences relative to their population size, and more emphasis is being placed on hard-to-count audiences than in the 2000 census. By way of example, 53 percent of the dollars will go toward what we call in-culture, in-language advertising, as compared with 46 percent in 2000. The campaign this time will exist in 11 more languages. That is 28 languages versus 17 in 2000. And with a more diverse population than ever, the campaign has been very careful to ensure that as many linguistically isolated populations as possible are covered with in-language communications. Each multicultural audience segment that had advertising in 2000 will have a minimum increase of 35 percent in spending in 2010 over the 2000 levels. Importantly, the campaign reaches out to hard-to-count audiences beyond multicultural populations. For example, there is a sponsorship with NASCAR and advertising in NASCAR programming that reaches the important rural audience, a large portion of which is hard to count. There will be $6 million spent in online advertising which is targeted to single, unattached mobiles, an audience identified by the Census Bureau as hard to count. The campaign also is more locally driven in 2010 than it was in 2000, with 47 percent of the dollars spent on local media versus 34 percent in 2000. In addition, the national media buys are seen in all local markets through local broadcast affiliates and national print vehicles that are distributed locally. So that means that every market will receive at least 25,000 television ads and over 6,000 radio ads, and many markets will receive much more as a result of the incremental emphasis placed on hard-to-count audiences locally. An unprecedented outreach has been completed to make accessible the opportunity for all media properties to participate in the 2010 media buy. Over 2,500 RFPs have been issued that cover 61,000 media outlets. We don't know of a campaign that has made this kind of outreach in the history of our business. Yet we know that media have complained that they didn't get business, and we regret that this has happened. Media buys today have now been completed for the awareness and motivation phases of the campaign. Still to be purchased are media for nonresponse followup and, as Dr. Groves said, for the deployment of rapid response reserve funds. So there is at this point some flexibility remaining to address unforeseen events, to fill gaps that stakeholders believe need to be filled, and to make any adjustments based on campaign tracking results. So far those results, as of the middle of February, show that awareness of Census advertising is already at 72 percent; and that compares very favorably with 27 percent, which was the number before ads began. The number is 77 percent for English- speaking Blacks and 70 percent for English-speaking Hispanics, compared to the overall number of 72. And intent to participate is also strong at 87 percent overall, 88 percent for Blacks and 85 percent for Hispanics; and this number continues to increase as we look at the numbers going forward. I would be happy to answer any questions that you have. Thank you. 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Thank you very much, Mr. Tarakajian. Mr. Garcia, you may proceed. STATEMENT OF NELSON GARCIA Mr. Garcia. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and the committee, for inviting me. As with all of the other ethnic and racial segments, the goal of the Hispanic audience plan was as follows: to improve mail response, to improve overall accuracy, to reduce the differential undercount, and to improve cooperation with enumerators. To meet all of these goals required more than just hard- working media dollars in relevant environments. It required a fully integrated campaign and a coordination of multiple efforts by partner agencies that included paid media, partnerships, public relations, Census in schools, and earned media outreach. The goal of paid media is to educate all Hispanic Americans in all 50 States, regardless of their residency status, as to the benefits of civic participation and to drive mass participation through the most relevant and influential forms of communication. The plan used research from a wide variety of sources. Qualitative and quantitative learning came from focus groups. Demographic, psychographic, and life-style learning taken from two Census-sponsored research studies. The first was a base segmentation study of the Hispanic population, and the second was a mind-set study of Hispanics as it pertains to their perceptions of the Census. From the first study, we were able to segment the Hispanic population to eight distinct target clusters. From the second study, we were able to understand media and messaging needs. This research was based and complemented with extensive use of authoritative secondary sources, which ranged from industry studies to the ACS to information from census.gov. In the discovery process, it was determined that 42.5 percent of the Hispanic community fell into hard-to-count clusters known as Ethnic Enclaves I and II and Economically Disadvantaged II. Another key finding found that 20 percent of the Ethnic Enclave clusters were Hispanic. Therefore, these three clusters' media habits were further examined and led to our recommendation. So our recommendation was first based on knowing that almost half the marketplace was hard to count and their media habits. We used syndicated research sponsored by the Census Bureau. These findings, plus the Census mail response rate, guided our development of a hybrid plan, one that put a greater emphasis on local media. Sixty percent of paid media investment will be spent on local, radio, newspaper, out of home, and really hyper local media, such as public transit, lunch trucks, retail post bills, wire transfer, check cashier locations, ethnic restaurant menus, and also prepaid calling cards. There is a lot of media which is media used by immigrant communities, Spanish-dominant communities, and recently arrived communities. To reach the most recently arrived and linguistically isolated, the plan is weighed toward trusted in-language medium. We have 99 newspaper markets. We have 38 radio markets. We have 11 out-of-home markets and 18 local news markets. A special effort was made to be in media consumed by migrant workers and rural Hispanics. In fact, a special purchase was made with the United Farm Workers Radio Network, one of the group's most influential and trusted news sources. Ninety-seven percent of all DMAs have paid Census Spanish TV advertising and PSAs from trusted personalities, since 80 percent of Univision, Telemundo, TeleFutura, and Tedesteca's programming is common to all markets. In 18 local markets, an extra layer of support came by way of paid purchases on local news and local programings. These markets were selected based on the fact that they had critical mass, at least 100,000 people; the fact that at least 10 percent of the population was Hispanic; that their hard-to- count scores were above the national average; and that the mail return rate was below the national average. We looked at an 8-year growth rate above the national average, and we also looked to hyper-growth markets in the Pacific Northwest, the Midwest, and the Southwest; and this resulted in a media plan that was very locally oriented. It was the most democratic RFP process possible. We sent out RFPs to 1,053 individual media companies, which yielded close to 21,000 points of contact with the individual Hispanic media. We have placed $25.4 million in media so far and have yielded $7.5 million back in added value return where 30 percent were increased because of the generosity of our partners. And we involved America's top Hispanic talent, everyone from Maria Marin, Piolin, Cristina, Don Francisco, all of the key names, all of the people that matter and influence this community. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Mr. Garcia follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.124 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.125 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.126 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.127 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.128 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.129 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.130 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.131 Mr. Clay. Thank you, Mr. Garcia. Ms. Ennis, you are recognized for 5 minutes. STATEMENT OF ROBBYN ENNIS Ms. Ennis. Mr. Chairman, Members of Congress and Team Census 2010, I would like to thank you for the opportunity to talk about the 2010 census Integrated Communications Campaign specifically as it relates to the paid media and the Black audience segment. The three key objectives for the Integrated Communications Campaign for the Black audience are to increase mail response, improve accuracy and reduce the differential undercount, and, last, improve cooperation with enumerators. All of these goals were targeted to the Black audience segment, which is inclusive of African Americans, Caribbean Americans, Haitian Americans, and Black Africans. In order to assist in meeting these goals, an integrated paid media plan has been developed based on the media habits and behaviors of these particular audiences. During our media planning process, as well as buying, we utilized proprietary research, third-party research as well as proprietary research, CBAMS and cluster data, to develop media plans. Utilizing Census and industry research, quantitative and qualitative data allowed us to develop the most efficient and effective media mix against the Black audience segment and specifically the hard-to-count audiences within the segment. Part of unearthing the data included analysis of what clusters and categories the Black audience represented or skewed heaviest. We found that one-third of Black households fell into Economically Disadvantaged I and II, and they comprise nearly half of the households in each of those two clusters, 44 percent and 48 percent respectively. The third hardest to count cluster was single unmatched mobiles, which were 11 percent of Blacks and 16 percent of Blacks within that particular cluster. After reviewing the media consumption of these three clusters, special consideration was made to skew strategies and media efforts to those audiences which are typically unlikely to respond. The CBAMS research was utilized to provide additional media strategy enhancement, particularly with our hard-to-count segments. One of the key takeaways from the research was that, although there was somewhat of an awareness of the Census, the belief that it will make a difference in our own communities is relatively low. In this case, GlobalHue's recommendation across all segments was to skew choices not only toward trusted targeted media but to hone in on trusted voices that the audience is familiar with, believes, and that will create awareness and more willingness to participate. Some of the talent secured to reach hard-to-count audiences include but are not limited to R&B artist Monica, national syndicated radio host Steve Harvey, Michael Baisden, gospel artist Yolanda Adams, April Ryan, Marvin Sapp, Ludacris, Ce-Ce Winans, Rico DuPont, Joan Savoury, Dikembe Mutombo, and Terrence and Rocsi of 106 and Park. Research guided all media choices down to the time tactical level of the specific media outlets that were used. What resulted was a plan that had a greater emphasis on local media. Fifty-five percent of the total allocated budget went to local media. National media support provides the most efficient way to reach the masses of Black adults. Targeted efforts were also utilized and partners such as BET, TV One, Radio One, and AURN provided significant added value in the form of free PSAs, mentions, use of talent, media integrations, vignettes, and multiple no-charge spots. This coverage has been essential to the overall media plan. Utilizing local media is a key strategy of the Black audience plan and is equally as important as national media. We utilized the following information to prioritize local markets: population size, historical response data, prevalence of hard- to-count households within the market, availability of media in each market, as well as local media studies and regional director and advisory committee feedback. A matrix was created and markets were prioritized, which resulted in a total of 31 markets where we would focus our local dollars and effort. We have since extended the market list based on the same criteria to support additional markets, now a total of 60 plus, with targeted Black media efforts. Over 500 RFPs were distributed, representing 22,000 media properties. Two minority subcontractors were secured, Voices, Inc. and NNPA, to negotiate and place the local targeted media buys. Once RFPs were distributed, proposals were reviewed based on the specific criteria and media selections were made. Some criteria included vehicles effectiveness in reaching the target audience, reach of the media vehicle, content environments that are conducive to the Census message, cost efficiency, minority ownership, and added value programs that would enhance the campaign's message. Overall, this plan was designed to effectively and efficiently reach the Black audience segment and specifically deliver the hard to count. The messaging will reach 95 percent plus Blacks covering every market in the country. [The prepared statement of Ms. Ennis follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.132 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.133 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.134 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.135 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.136 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.137 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.138 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.139 Mr. Clay. Thank you so much for all of your testimony. We will digress from the normal questioning order, and I will recognize Representative Waters to start us off. Representative Waters, 5 minutes. Ms. Waters. Thank you very much. There are a number of questions that I have, Mr. Chairman, but, first of all, let me ask, in dealing with the Black media, Black newspapers, and the references that you have made to public service announcements and basically free media, has there been some attempt to say to Black newspapers, for example, that we will spend X amount of dollars with you based on how much free space you give us? Has there been a demand to say you've got to run X number of items for us in order for you to get us to pay you for a certain amount of advertising? Did this or did this not happen? Ms. Ennis, do you want to respond to that? Ms. Ennis. I can definitely respond to that. Per the written recommendation of the NNPA---- Mr. Clay. I will have to ask the audience to not interfere with the testimony or the questioning. Please observe the decorum of the committee. If you are a witness, you will have an opportunity to respond. Thank you. Ms. Ennis. Let me start over. Per the written recommendation of the NNPA, the papers were asked to volunteer to include or write any positive articles or editorial about the census 2010 as an added value submission. Any papers that did not want to take part in submitting or writing articles or submitting editorials were asked to provide another alternative of added value to our agency. Because of the importance of the Census to each of our communities, we were told that would potentially be an easy task. We have received other added value requests from the papers that did not agree to that particular term, and we are completely fine with that. Ms. Waters. Was this asked of White papers? Were White papers asked for this added value as an exchange for getting paid advertisement? Ms. Ennis. The added value is not asked as an exchange for paid advertising. Ms. Waters. Was it asked of the White newspapers at all? Mr. Tarakajian. May I answer that? Ms. Waters. Sure. She gave us a specific answer to how this came about asking for free media, and I want to know what the connection is to paid media and how was it presented. And it was presented to Black newspapers, wherever the recommendation came from. Was it presented to any other newspapers, White newspapers, or just minority newspapers, Latino, Black, what have you? Mr. Tarakajian. The request for added value is a very standard way of operating. Ms. Waters. But I didn't ask about standard. I asked what did you do. I want to know what the Census did, what the Census project did. Of course, it may be a standard way of doing business, but I want to know what did Team Census 2010 do? Did you do this for all newspapers? Mr. Tarakajian. For the Census contract---- Ms. Waters. Don't nuance it for me. You either did it or you didn't. Did you do it? Mr. Tarakajian. For the Census contract, we asked for additional added value for all of the media buys that we make. It is not a condition of running media. It is, as I said---- Ms. Waters. Was this done in writing or was this a verbal request? Mr. Tarakajian. Under oath, I can't tell you 100 percent what was done in writing and what was done verbally. Ms. Waters. Under oath, you probably can't tell me whether it was done at all. Mr. Tarakajian. No, I can tell you that the request for added value---- Ms. Waters. Who did the request and how was it done? Ask one of your people with you. Somebody must know. Mr. Tarakajian. When we do our media buys and specifically as it relates to newspapers, which is your question, we, like Ms. Ennis is talking about, work with a rep firm who would represent a variety of different newspapers. Many of the rep firms will recommend ideas for added value. Again, those are ideas that they put on the table. We seek them. We encourage them. But we do not make the requirement that somebody provide added value to literally qualify for a media buy. Ms. Waters. OK, we are going to dispense with this because I think you just told me what I wanted to know. First of all, your reps are the ones who are the ones who are negotiating this added value, and you don't really know what they are saying. You don't have any way of knowing whether or not they are saying this is in exchange for paid media. You would hope that they are not doing that, but you don't know whether or not they are doing it because you are not doing it yourself. Your reps are doing it, correct? Ms. Ennis. If it is all right if I answer that question, what happens is we work directly with our subcontractors and reps. So we approve all paperwork. Ms. Waters. This is in writing? You have this request in writing, the added value? Ms. Ennis. Yes. Ms. Waters. Mr. Chairman, may I ask that it be submitted to your subcommittee, to you, so we can examine exactly what was placed in writing? And, Mr. Chairman, will you have them indicate who all this request was made of? Was it made of only minority newspapers, all newspapers, minority radio stations, minority television stations, all radio stations, all television stations, etc? OK? Mr. Clay. You have heard the request, and I am sure you will submit it to this committee with all due speed. [The information referred to follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.140 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.141 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.142 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.143 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.144 Ms. Waters. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I yield back the balance of my time. Mr. Clay. I yield to Mr. Chaffetz. Mr. Chaffetz. Thank you all for your testimony. I do have a series of questions. Let me understand the macro number, the overall advertising budget is--what is the number for the advertising budget? Mr. Tarakajian. For paid media, $130 million. Mr. Chaffetz. Diving into the specifics of how that is divvied up, my understanding, based on something that I pulled off the Web site, is that TV is roughly 52 percent of that budget. I'm looking at this document that I have pulled off here, draft, and it has these little pie charts, understanding of the types of media that was run. Mr. Tarakajian. Right. Mr. Chaffetz. As a general number--I'm not going to hold you to the exact percentage--but roughly half is television? Mr. Tarakajian. That's correct. Mr. Chaffetz. Are you happy with what has happened on television? I mean, most of the articles that I saw pans what happened on the Super Bowl ad. Are you happy with that and the Olympic buy? My understanding is that for the Super Bowl, you spent $2.5 million buying that ad time, and Olympics is $5.1 million. Does that sound accurate in terms of the dollars spent? Mr. Tarakajian. The Super Bowl number of $2.5 million is accurate. I don't have the Olympics number in front of me, but that sounds about accurate. Mr. Chaffetz. Are you happy with the ad? Mr. Tarakajian. We are happy with the fact that we projected an audience that would come out of the Super Bowl ad, the Super Bowl advertising participation. As I think you are aware, this was the most watched Super Bowl ever. Those estimates were exceeded. We have now awareness of the advertising that is, as I said in my testimony earlier, that is extremely high for where we are at this stage of the campaign. It is not just awareness, but the favorability, the willingness to participate and intent to participate is also very high. So we put the two things together, and our view is that awareness and a favorable attitude toward the Census and high intent to participate means that we are setting ourselves up to achieve a strong motivation period. Mr. Chaffetz. Who owns DRAFTFCB? Mr. Tarakajian. The interpublic group of companies. Mr. Chaffetz. How do you do the actual media buying? Who is doing the media buying and what percentage are they taking off to actually execute the media buy? Mr. Tarakajian. The specific media buy that you are talking about, which is for the diverse mass audience, was done by a company called Pengood, who is a subcontractor that we brought on board who is a small, disadvantaged business that did the buying on our behalf. Mr. Chaffetz. What percentage did they take of the media buy? You make a million dollar media buy. What percentage do they take? Mr. Tarakajian. In this contract, there is no pass through on media. So there is no percentage. Mr. Chaffetz. You just paid a flat fee? Mr. Tarakajian. There is a labor fee connected with all of the labor buys, but there is not a percentage on the media buy. Mr. Chaffetz. Moving forward, I would appreciate understanding the details of that. Specifically, I would like to understand the online campaign. One of the more effective ways to communicate with the public is the online communication. My understanding from what we were able to pull off the Web site is that roughly 7 percent of your budget was to be allocated in terms by media type online. [The information referred to follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.145 Mr. Tarakajian. In the mass--diverse mass portion of the media plan, it is roughly 10 percent of it, or $6 million is being spent online. For some of the other audiences---- Mr. Chaffetz. How is that going so far? Mr. Tarakajian. To the best of my knowledge, it is going very well so far. Mr. Chaffetz. Well, my understanding, looking at the numbers here, if you go to Facebook, look how many followers they have. There are roughly 8,500. You go to YouTube, 64 uploads. Most views per video is less than 8,000. On Twitter, you have about 2,400 followers. Now these are some of the biggest, most mainstream pieces of media that are out there in terms of online. Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter have pretty much become household names. All told, you are getting a few thousand type of hits in response. How can you spend millions and have 2,400 people on Twitter? I don't spend anything, and I have 8,000 to 9,000 people on Twitter, for goodness sake. How do you justify millions of dollars going out the door and so few people participating in the program? Mr. Tarakajian. First of all, what you are talking about and what I am talking about in terms of the online media buy are two different things. The 10 percent of the mass communications base plan online media buy are all of the paid media banner ads that are part of this campaign. Those are separate and apart from what you're talking about, which are seeding commercials online and social media and so forth, which is a totally different piece of this. Mr. Chaffetz. Mr. Chairman, I know my time is up. I do have other questions for other panelists. I know we will have to do a couple of rounds here. It talks in the plan about the need to have a viral component and to get this out there en masse. I see it as a complete and utter failure, but I would like to learn more information. Mr. Clay. Mr. Chaffetz, would you have any requests for documentation? Mr. Chaffetz. Yes. Again, if there are more details about what you are trying to execute, how you are trying to execute, and where you think you are seeing success, it is a mystery to me. I am sincerely wanting to understand it. If you think my numbers are wrong or there is a big component that we are not seeing, share it with me, please, sooner rather than later. Mr. Clay. Thank you. Mr. Cuellar, you are recognized for 5 minutes. Mr. Cuellar. Mr. Chairman, sorry, I was doing some addition. First of all, Dr. Groves, it is good seeing you again. Thank you very much for going down to Laredo and visiting the colonias, the hard to get, hard-to-count places. Thank you very much. For the other folks, I want to ask you a little bit about the budget. I have a contract budget that you all had prepared back in March 26, 2009. Now I am looking at a revised budget of February 4, 2010. I want to look at a couple of numbers. The total media buy at that time back in March of last year was $145 million, and now it has been reduced to $133 million. When you look at the local buys, at that time I believe you had $82 million, and now it has been reduced to $56 million. When you look at the Hispanic buys back at that time, you had $27 million plus for Hispanic buys, and now it is reduced down to $25.4 million. When you look at the African Americans, the Black, at that time you had $24.5 million. Now it is $22.9 million. So you have another reduction. When you look at production--and this is part of the paid media total budget--media production went from production, which includes talent, dubbing, and GPO--I guess Government Printing Office--that one went up on production from $28 million to $36.6 million. So production went up. When you look at production, labor, and other--and other includes travel, research, and management reserve, and I will talk about that-- when you add all of those up, I get about $118 million for production, labor, and other. And then total advertising is about $133 million. So you almost have--the money that we are spending for advertising, it is almost what we are spending for production and costs and all that, almost matches what we are spending for media. Why are we spending so much money on production, on labor, on talent? If you can't get somebody to volunteer for talent, I think we have a problem. It is the same question that was asked by my colleague on Twitter. You are spending millions of dollars on all this. I just don't understand. Why are we spending so much on production and labor? Mr. Tarakajian. You have to look at this in terms of the total budget of this campaign, all the activities support. Because the paid media part of this campaign at $133 million is one piece of it, but it is not the whole piece. There is the Census in Schools program, and there is labor connected with that and production connected with that. There is all of the partnership materials that have been produced. Mr. Cuellar. OK, let's go back on talent. How much money did you pay for talent? Mr. Tarakajian. I don't have a total. Mr. Cuellar. $5 million? $10 million? $20 million? I assume you got an actor. How much did we pay for talent or dubbing? Dubbing means you reproduce. You get a copy and you reproduce that. How much did you spend for talent, dubbing, and shipping? Mr. Tarakajian. I would have to get back to you on exactly what those figures are for each one. [The information referred to follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.146 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.147 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.148 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.149 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.150 Mr. Cuellar. You have all of those folks behind you. I am sure somebody knows how much money was spent on talent, dubbing, and shipping. What I am trying to say, Dr. Groves, as I mentioned the last time we met with the chairman, why can't we use some of that money and put it on the local buys? I have mentioned I have four out of the top 50 counties that are hard to count. Why can't we use some of that and spend it on some of the advertising for hard-to-count areas? Why reduce the Black purchases and why reduce the Hispanic purchases? And I'm sure if I go down on the other ones we probably would have reductions, but why increase production which includes talent and dubbing? Mr. Tarakajian. Your question is a fair question. Every time a commercial runs, there is a talent usage fee in connection to that commercial. And so, therefore, that is one of the reasons why. Mr. Cuellar. What percentage is it? In other words, when I do a campaign and I run something, it is usually 15 percent unless you work out a better deal and it is less than 15, and we can do that. Did we negotiate this to get a better deal instead of paying millions of dollars on copying and talent? Mr. Tarakajian. It all depends on the commercial, and it depends on the number of on-camera talents who are in the commercial. Mr. Cuellar. Give me some of your talent who you spend $36 million on, part of that. Mr. Tarakajian. For example, there is a commercial for Diverse Mass that ran on the Olympics called Frank that has a number of different on-camera talents in that commercial. There is a commercial that my colleague at GlobalHue has called Silent Chant which is about to begin running that also has multiple on-camera talents in that commercial. And people you know get a fee to perform, and that's all unionized. Mr. Cuellar. So they get a fee. And I'm sorry, Mr. Chairman. My time is over. But if you can give me a courtesy just to finish my thought. So you're saying that you pay somebody a talent fee, and that every time they run, they get a royalty, if I can use that term. Mr. Tarakajian. Yes. Mr. Cuellar. Wow. Mr. Tarakajian. That is the way the union is set up, and that is the way---- Mr. Cuellar. Couldn't you use some, excuse my language, ordinary folks, you know, folks to do some of the commercials that can reach out to them, and I see some shaking their heads, for example, local buys? If you go and talk to somebody in south Texas, they probably trust somebody who has been on their TV channel for 10 or 15 years than have somebody that you're paying a fee and a commercial on that. And again, I know my time is over but my thing is, Mr. Chairman, I want to maximize the dollars here. And if we can squeeze that. It might be too late already. But I mean, I was hoping we would spend a little bit more money, and we've talked about this. What is the reserve management left over, Dr. Groves? Dr. Groves. The shavings of the amounts that you went through group by group assembled about $7.5 million, $8 million. Mr. Cuellar. So that hasn't been reduced. So it's still about $7.5 million. Dr. Groves. Yes. Mr. Cuellar. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Dr. Groves. Mr. Clay. Thank you, Mr. Cuellar. And I now recognize the gentlewoman from Texas who has also joined us. Welcome to the subcommittee. Ms. Jackson Lee. Mr. Chairman, let me thank you for your courtesies. For you to have this hearing at this hour connotes, equals, confirms the crucialness of where we are and the posture that we find ourselves in. My name tag is not here, so he's indicated that I am from Texas and also from Harris County. Let me have the backdrop of my colleague, Congressman Cuellar, in terms of his inquiry of the cost, but let me offer this on the record. My district, which lies in Harris County, is a county, Harris County, ranked fourth of the 50 U.S. counties with the highest number of people living in hard-to- count areas. In fact, 80.5 percent of the population in Harris County live in hard-to-count areas. Even more astonishing, Harris County, TX, is one of eight counties estimated to lose over $100 million each in Federal funds from undercounting the 2000 census. The undercount of 2000 caused Harris County, TX, to lose a total, including State funds, of $234 million. Now, we juxtapose that against of course the labor cost and production cost on taxpayers dollars for trying to count people, and I'm not sure what the impact would have. In addition, as it may have occurred in a number of other communities, at the early point of the Census coming out there was a big uproar over the utilization of the word Negro. A simple courtesy, which I may have missed, to Members of Congress that this was going to occur, since we had not seen the early document might have been helpful, but I had to encounter rallies and town hall meetings on the insult of the word Negro. I've obviously come to believe that the count is of crucial importance, and we work with our county and work with individuals in the county and work with those who might have been offended from the African American community to try to overcome the utilization of that word, which I have reason to believe, there are many very competent reasons for that word. I lay all that forward to raise these questions, and I'll try to be as quick as I can. Dr. Groves, as you well know, I had a conversation with you and I would like to invite you as you go into the valley to come to Houston as soon as possible, and I would like that to be within the next 10 days or so, and I would like to look at your schedule. And I say that because you're talking about a city that has a potential of a great loss but also the potential to count down or count up to the third largest city in the Nation. That's a big vote for America. And I would venture to say that this may be the poster child for disorganization, not lack of good will people, but disorganization. You have a circumstance where people have been enrolled and allegedly signed up and no word coming back on any status that they have. Second, you have the representation by those who are there saying, we cannot get individuals from the minority community, how can you help us, and then not seeking the help. Not going into the mass numbers of churches who will open their doors, and they can actually put their sites of sign-up right in the place of the doors there in the physical plan of the church building or another building that's a 501(c)(3). Many of these buildings, churches have community centers and others that are 501(c)(3). So that's the first thing. Let me go directly to this question. Let me try to find out, Dr. Groves, you're newly appointed and let me congratulate you, but let me try to find out, when were these contracts let for Draft CBC, DraftFCB and GlobalHue? When were these contracts rendered? Mr. Tarakajian. Yes. The contracts were awarded in September 2007. Ms. Jackson Lee. So they were awarded under the last administration, which is unfortunate. Mr. Tarakajian. That's correct. Ms. Jackson Lee. And then the GlobalHue is, what? Is that a subcontractor? Mr. Tarakajian. GlobalHue is a subcontractor to DraftFCB. Ms. Jackson Lee. Is that the only subcontractor? Mr. Tarakajian. No, there are other subcontractors who are part of the contract. The IW Group, GlobalHue Latino, D'Esposito Partners, to name a few. Most of them are multicultural agencies specializing in---- Ms. Jackson Lee. And how were they chosen? Mr. Tarakajian. They were chosen by DraftFCB prior to award and reviewed by the Census in making that award. Ms. Jackson Lee. Will the chairman indulge me? My red light went on. I'm just trying to follow a line of questioning. Mr. Clay. Sure. You can finish up, Ms. Jackson Lee. Ms. Jackson Lee. Let me, first of all, make the official request. Dr. Groves, can I have a confirmation that you'll work with your schedule? Dr. Groves. I would be happy to be with you in Houston as soon as I can. Ms. Jackson Lee. Thank you. And I know that we will work through that. Mr. Tarakajian, is it? Mr. Tarakajian. Tarakajian. Ms. Jackson Lee. Excuse me, I'm sorry, Tarakajian, excuse me. Let me make the request for the whole list of subcontractors that you have. And I understand that was through the private sector. So you were selected, and then you selected GlobalHue? Mr. Tarakajian. Actually what happened is we selected a team that we went through the pitch process with, with all the various stages. Ms. Jackson Lee. So you went in, and then you got selected. Mr. Tarakajian. Correct. Ms. Jackson Lee. Were there others that came on board after the fact? Mr. Tarakajian. There's a core group of subcontractors who have been with us from the very beginning. Ms. Jackson Lee. Right. That's the team. Mr. Tarakajian. And then there are other subcontractors who, for example, when I talked about Pengood a little while ago as the media buyer, there were other awards of subcontractors that were made along the way for various purposes. Ms. Jackson Lee. Well, maybe there will be a second round. Let me just ask for the full complement of contractors, subcontractors and subcontractors and by region please. I assume their address will tell me by region. [The information referred to follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.151 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.152 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.153 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.154 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.155 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.156 Ms. Jackson Lee. Then let me also put on the record that you all are very hard to reach, and no response comes back. I'm not going to say that I tried to reach out to GlobalHue, Mr. Garcia, Ms. Ennis, because I think I got frustrated early on. But the selection process that you use for minority buys is unacceptable. And I understand that the first amount of money was $2.5 million, is that correct? I'm sorry for the Black print media, $2.5 million? Or was it for a total of media, Hispanic and African American, Ms. Ennis? Ms. Ennis. Are you asking what the total budget is now? Ms. Jackson Lee. No. What was it before? Ms. Ennis. It was $1.7 million. Ms. Jackson Lee. It was $1.7. What is it now? Ms. Ennis. And it's $2.5 million now. Ms. Jackson Lee. So that's unacceptable as well. Mr. Clay. Representative, we will have a second round. I'll allow you to do that. Ms. Jackson Lee. All right. And I will finish on this. I want to put on the record the Houston Sun that was a missing element when all the other papers came out, and then I will yield back, Mr. Chairman. [The prepared statement of Hon. Sheila Jackson Lee follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.157 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.158 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.159 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.160 Mr. Clay. Thank you so much, and you will get a second round. Let me say that I'm very concerned about reports that I have received from local elected officials who have conveyed to me that they are not hearing the confidentiality message in the paid media campaign. In other words, certain constituent groups are concerned about information that they give to the Census on these forms on the questionnaire. In terms of special outreach to these groups, I see the Census advertising has failed to adequately address these concerns about confidentiality among hard-to-count groups. Will you take steps to correct this problem, and could supplemental media be created to specifically close this confidentiality gap? I'll let anyone try to answer that. Mr. Tarakajian. That is probably best answered by a number of us because it varies by audience, quite honestly. The simple answer to your question, though, is that there are different creative messaging executions that we have that, to varying degrees, have the confidentiality message in it. And it varies by audience where, for example, we found that among the Hispanic audience it's a very important issue; a less important issue across the diverse mass audience. And the messaging that we have reflects that difference depending upon the specific audience. Mr. Clay. Well, but that may be where you might not have all of the information you need about those audiences because I'm hearing it in my district, and I'm hearing it from a predominantly African American audience over maybe legal concerns, maybe the number of people who live in a certain house that's contrary to codes, to building codes and occupation codes. I mean, so as these things crop up, hopefully, you will have some type of strategy that effectively addresses it. Yes, Dr. Groves. Dr. Groves. We're tracking through sample surveys daily multiple methods of tracking the knowledge of the public about these various components. Confidentiality is one. Another is, do people know that this is a 10-minute questionnaire, and do they know, do they link the Census to the return of taxpayer money, the $400 billion a year? We're tracking this by subgroup. And when we're seeing groups reacting to a particular message inadequately, then there's a chance to intervene. So let me give you an example of this. To our surprise, to my surprise anyway, the message that's getting out least well right now is that this is a short questionnaire and it only takes 10 minutes. And we have to do something about that because that's a very good story. So we're trying to measure it and then react to it as much as we can. Mr. Clay. As far as tracking, how will the Census Bureau know if the Integrated Communications Campaign increased the mail response rate? And to what extent will the Bureau calculate the return on its investment in advertising? Dr. Groves. I love this question because, in my ideal world, we wouldn't advertise because everyone would know the Census is coming. And so it was a question on my mind when I entered this position. There is for the first time an experiment, an examination of this built into the Census advertising where there are a set of media markets where the advertising levels are going to be systematically varied and will study the impact of that variability. So I think, for the first time, at the end of this, we'll have better data for every dollar we spend on advertising what was the impact on change between 2000 and 2010. Mr. Clay. How will the Bureau use the realtime information it is collecting, such as Gallup data and early mail response data, to respond to challenges, such as unexpected regional disparities in mail response rates? And what are the targeted response rates that trigger new advertising spending in geographic areas? Dr. Groves. This is something that I hope everyone watches. So starting about the third week of March, the proportion of houses that are returning the questionnaire will be published daily at a track level. You'll be able to go to our Web site, type in your zip code and see how your zip code is doing, how tracks in your zip code are doing. If you want to compare St. Louis to Kansas City on the return rate, you'll be able to do this. We hope that local officials and our partners throughout the country are watching this in addition to us, and we are proposing to intervene both with the money we've held back on advertising for those areas that are doing less well than we anticipated despite everything we did. We're studying this process. We have a team of people trying to predict what's going to happen, and we're forecasting it and will do interventions both on paid media, and then also we'll get the word out to our partners to help us in this area, this neighborhood isn't doing as well as we--this is going to be a first time for this. It will be very interesting. I'm very hopeful about it. Mr. Clay. I'm very curious about it, so thank you for that response. Mr. Chaffetz, you're recognized. Mr. Chaffetz. Thank you. I want to followup, Director Groves, on something you talked about. One of the concerns that you just mentioned in your testimony was the idea that we are requiring the short form as opposed to a long form. I think one of the reasons that we have that concern so rampant in the marketplace is that these American community surveys are being sent out which are very comprehensive. Don't you think this adds to the confusion? I mean, at the same time we're running Super Bowl ads and doing those types of things, people are getting these in the mail. Why--and then you expect somebody, you know, the following month or two to go back and fill out another form. Why are we doing this at the same time? Dr. Groves. The American Community Survey was passed by Congress as a way to separate the long form from the short form. So, in essence, the content of that questionnaire you just held up is quite similar to the original long form. Every question in that questionnaire---- Mr. Chaffetz. And on the envelope it says ``U.S. Census Bureau.'' Dr. Groves [continuing]. Is specified by some law passed by Congress that there must be information on that item in order to implement a program that Congress has passed, so that's the reason for that questionnaire. The confusion you speak to is something I worry about. I was concerned about that when I entered office. We have alerted the folks who are falling in the sample of the American Community Survey about the fact that this is not the decennial census and they will get another Census form. We're watching right now the response rates on the American Community Survey to see if there is confusion among--if they're performing differently. Mr. Chaffetz. Our time is short. I think naturally given that these forms are arriving so similar in their time is terribly confusing. I had a town hall meeting just in the last 2 weeks. A person came up and handed this, didn't understand. And again, for another discussion, I think it's a very invasive questionnaire. I mean, one of the questions on the questionnaire is literally, ``does this person have difficulty dressing or bathing?'' And I got to tell you, I--again, separate hearing, Mr. Chairman, but I think we need to go back and better understand the need of this. It's 11 pages for the first person just to get through. It says it's coming from the Census Bureau at the same time we're trying to get people to fill out the other forms. And the other thing is we talk about groups that are difficult to get to. One of the questions right here at the beginning after you kind of get past your pages of housing is, literally, the third question asked them if they are a citizen. And so we have people that are afraid of filling out these forms because you're going to be asked detailed questions; is this person a citizen of the United States? I think this is terribly confusing in terms of its timing and whatnot, and we will have to continue to go back. I don't understand what constitutional role this plays or the authority that it meets, but I understand that there are laws on the books, and we'll have to address those. My understanding is that the Bureau has overspent its $356 million address canvassing budget by $88 million, roughly a 25 percent cost overrun. What is your best projection today as to where you're going to be in terms of your overall budget, given everything else that's going on? Dr. Groves. I testified on that overrun twice in front of this committee, as you may recall, Congressman. Mr. Chaffetz. Just hoping for an update, just a quick sentence or two. Dr. Groves. I am optimistic, based on the rebudgeting of the operations going forward that we just completed and that we have sufficient money for the 2010 census, all the further operations. Every operation we've done since that event has been on time and either on budget or under budget. Mr. Chaffetz. The Washington Post, it was cited in the Washington Post, the GAO warned that, in a Senate subcommittee hearing recently, that the Bureau's computer software that handles personnel and payroll systems as well as processes the proper paper questionnaires, ``has not yet demonstrated an ability to function at the necessary capacity later this year.'' Can you give us the most recent update on that? Dr. Groves. That is a true statement. When I testified in front of this committee last time, I noted that this was the highest-risk software development that we were involved in. It continues to be a high-risk development. We have--I brought in a team that's an external and independent assessment group, and we are literally meeting daily on this issue right now. Mr. Chaffetz. When you say ``risk,'' can you give us some-- you say ``high risk.'' I mean, how worried should we be about this? Dr. Groves. If I could finish, I could address your concerns I think. The software is being released in three components. The first component is released and is in production. The production performance of it is less than desirable but adequate for the operations. We're ramping up operations, so right now, we're having low-level operations. It's fitting production needs now. The second release just occurred last Friday. It will start production--well, it started production the last few days. The big production component will be released at the end of March for the nonresponse followup stage. That's what we're really focusing on. We have a team together that is making the kind of tradeoff decisions you need to make in a large software development with a fixed deadline. And that is, some of the functions that were desired for computer assistance will be, will have workarounds that will be manual in nature. When I do my visits around the country to our regional offices it gives me some comfort that they're ready to do those in a manual mode because all past Censuses did those manually, that was a step up and will pull off those things. So we're focusing on the identification of the core functions that allow us to do a successful Census. That's where we are right now. Mr. Chaffetz. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Clay. Thank you Mr. Chaffetz. And now we will recognize Ms. Waters for a second round. Ms. Waters. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, for the opportunity to do this second round. I need to understand the organization of the media companies that are involved in this campaign. Now, you are DraftFCB, is that right? Mr. Tarakajian. That's correct. Ms. Waters. OK. And you are the media company that's coordinating all of the media buys and production, etc? Mr. Tarakajian. We are the prime contractor, meaning that we have some specific responsibilities that are ours which are overall coordination of the campaign elements. And then we have a whole host of subcontractors who work for us who bring certain expertise to the table, such as expertise on the Black audience or expertise in the Hispanic audience. Ms. Waters. That's OK. You don't have to tell me what they do. I just want the structure. You're the prime contractor. Mr. Tarakajian. Yes. Ms. Waters. How many subcontractors do you have? Mr. Tarakajian. There are, in addition to us, there are, I believe it's 12 additional subcontractors. Ms. Waters. Twelve additional subcontractors now? Mr. Tarakajian. Yes. Ms. Waters. Were these subcontractors hired through an RFP process? Mr. Tarakajian. These subcontractors were hired originally as part of our team process for pitching the Census. Ms. Waters. Just tell me, were they RFP, or were they just selected or appointed or however? Mr. Tarakajian. Well, we went through an RFP process. Ms. Waters. So you selected these 12 additional contractors through an RFP process, is that correct? Mr. Tarakajian. The RFP process that we went through was with the Census to get the contract, if that's what you mean by an RFP process. Ms. Waters. No. Let me tell you what I mean. You hired 12 additional contractors, is that right? Mr. Tarakajian. We brought--we had a team of subcontractors who have worked with us from the beginning. And they were all part of the original contract and RFP process that we went through with the Census Bureau. Ms. Waters. You have 12 contractors? Mr. Tarakajian. Correct. Ms. Waters. How were they hired? How did you get these 12 contractors? You said some were with you from the beginning. I don't know what that means. Mr. Tarakajian. OK. There are two processes that were at work here. We selected partners to work with us as subcontractors. Ms. Waters. How many partners did you select as subcontractors that did not go through an RFP process? Mr. Tarakajian. There were no subcontractors that we selected that were not part of an RFP process. Ms. Waters. OK. So, in the beginning, you selected contractors; that's what you said. Mr. Tarakajian. That's correct. Ms. Waters. How did you select them? What process did you use? Mr. Tarakajian. And we all together went through an RFP process to be awarded this contract. Ms. Waters. So the 12--so, in the beginning, the contractors that you selected went through an RFP process. Mr. Tarakajian. That's correct. Ms. Waters. Why couldn't you just say that? RFP process, OK. Mr. Tarakajian. Because I'm trying to make the distinction between what---- Ms. Waters. How many were selected through the RFP process in what you call the beginning? Mr. Tarakajian. They were all part of the RFP process that we went through, along with our subcontractors. Ms. Waters. All 12? Mr. Tarakajian. Yes, along with our subcontractors. Ms. Waters. OK. Are these independent contractors, or are these contractors subcontractors to you or the company that you subcontract to? Mr. Tarakajian. No, they are subcontractors to us. Ms. Waters. To you. Mr. Tarakajian. Correct. Ms. Waters. So these are not independent contractors; these are people who work for you. Mr. Tarakajian. Yes. Ms. Waters. So you did an RFP process for people who work for you. Mr. Tarakajian. We did an--we were, along with all of those subcontractors that I'm just talking about, part of the RFP process that we went through with the Census Bureau in selecting us and also selecting those subcontractors. Ms. Waters. So, basically, your company controls all the subcontractors because they worked for you anyway? Mr. Tarakajian. Well, there are now subcontracts that our subcontractors have for media buying and other activities. Ms. Waters. We'll get to that. But let's make sure we understand that, in the beginning, as you referred to it---- Mr. Tarakajian. Correct. Ms. Waters [continuing]. You selected 12 contractors, all of whom were subcontractors to you already. Mr. Tarakajian. Well, they weren't already subcontractors. Ms. Waters. Well, how did they get to be--they are your people subcontractors. Mr. Tarakajian. Well, when you say that they are our people---- Ms. Waters. Well, you said in the beginning---- Mr. Tarakajian [continuing]. They are not necessarily part of our company. Some of them are; some of them are not. Ms. Waters. I don't care how they are hired by you. The question becomes are these subcontractors a part of your company, whether they're part time, full time, hired in the beginning or later on, these are your subcontractors in your company, right? Mr. Tarakajian. GlobalHue is not part of our company. Allied Media, who is a subcontractor, is not part of our company. Ms. Waters. How many are part of your company, 12, right? Mr. Tarakajian. No. Ms. Waters. How many of the 12? Mr. Tarakajian. I will tell you who is part of our company. Ms. Waters. Just tell me how many of the 12. Mr. Tarakajian. Weber Shandwick is one. Ms. Waters. You don't have to name them. I just want to know how many. Mr. Tarakajian. Well, I'm trying to go through in my head how many are part of our company and how many are not. Ms. Waters. We only have so many minutes. How many? Can you guess? Somebody tell him. Mr. Tarakajian. I believe there are two; Weber Shandwick and Jack Morton--I'm sorry, three. The IW Group is also part of our Interpublic Group of Companies. Ms. Waters. So 3 of the 12 are your own subcontractors that were hired through some RFP process. Mr. Tarakajian. They are owned by the same holding company as we are. Ms. Waters. Oh, well, what's the holding company? Mr. Tarakajian. Interpublic Group of Companies. Ms. Waters. So you are owned by whom? Mr. Tarakajian. A company called the Interpublic Group of Companies. Ms. Waters. Interpublic Group of Companies. So they own you and the subcontractors? Mr. Tarakajian. They own us and the three subcontractors that I mentioned. They do not own the other subcontractors. Ms. Waters. Three of the 12, is that right? Mr. Tarakajian. Excuse me. Ms. Waters. Three of the 12. Mr. Tarakajian. I believe it's three of the 12, yes. Ms. Waters. OK. Now, tell me about GlobalHue? You have GlobalHue Black and GlobalHue Latino or something like that. Mr. Tarakajian. That's correct. Ms. Waters. Is that one company, or is that two companies? Mr. Tarakajian. GlobalHue African American and GlobalHue Latino is one company with two separate operations; one targeted to the Black audience, and the other targeted to---- Ms. Waters. You don't need to tell me all that. Who owns GlobalHue? Ms. Ennis. Don Coleman. Ms. Waters. So he owns---- Ms. Ennis. GlobalHue and GlobalHue Latino. Ms. Waters. But he's not owned by---- Ms. Ennis. He's not owned by Interpublic, no. Ms. Waters. OK. Did he have to go through an RFP process, or was he appointed or selected to do the media buys for the Black and Latino audiences? Did he go through an RFP process? Ms. Ennis. He went through the RFP process with DraftFCB. Ms. Waters. With whom? Ms. Ennis. DraftFCB. Ms. Waters. So you selected all of the other nine through an RFP process, is that what you did? Mr. Tarakajian. We selected all of the other subcontractors to be part of our team. Together, we went through this RFP process with the Census Bureau to be awarded the contract in 2007. Ms. Waters. Thank you. I'm not interested in how many people were involved in the RFP process. I just wanted to know, was there an RFP process. I'm trying to understand who owns what and how they were selected. Mr. Tarakajian. I'm trying to help you understand it. Ms. Waters. OK. If you would just answer the question and not editorialize, you would help me out, OK. So I think we're at this point. Now, can you tell me how much each--the first three that are owned by your company, how much are they contracted for? How much, what is the value of each of those contracts? Mr. Tarakajian. Well, first of all, I don't have that information at my fingertips in terms of how much. Ms. Waters. Well, how much is your contract? What is the value of your contract? Mr. Tarakajian. The total value of the contract is---- Ms. Waters. Of yours, just yours. Mr. Tarakajian. Well, the total value of the contract is $340 million. Ms. Waters. So $340 million. Who gets paid out of that $340 million? Mr. Tarakajian. All of the subcontractors, ourselves, all of the media that's purchased, all of the production that's done, literally every activity. Ms. Waters. So you have a $340 million contract; three of the subcontractors are your people that work in the company that you work for. Mr. Tarakajian. Correct. Ms. Waters. You don't know how much they are paid, each of them? You don't know what those contracts are worth. Mr. Tarakajian. I do. I don't have that information at my fingertips with me. Ms. Waters. Do you know how much the other nine contracts are worth? Mr. Tarakajian. Again, they are not contracts where somebody was awarded a specific amount to do the work. Ms. Waters. It's an open-ended contract. Mr. Tarakajian. It is a contract where we have come together to work on the $340 million contract and mutually, collaboratively come up with how we are going to divide those roles and responsibilities. Ms. Waters. I only want to know what you paid these people. I don't care how collaborative you are. I want to know, how much does each one of them make? Are you telling me it's an open-ended contract; you don't have an exact number that you contracted for; is that what you're telling me? Mr. Tarakajian. No. I can provide that information for you. I don't have it at my fingertips right now. Ms. Waters. Mr. Chairman, I would like to request that information be provided. As a matter of fact, if you're going to have any more hearings, I would like to see a flow chart of how these companies are connected, how much money they are contracted for and whether or not there was an RFP process in this collaborative effort that is being described to us. Thank you, and I yield back the balance of my time. 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Ms. Waters. Excuse me, if I can, thank you. There was one part of the question that was not answered. While the gentleman may not know how much the other subcontracts are worth, I asked him how much was his worth, and that was not answered. He gave me the big answer of $340 million. So let me, if I may, inquire of that. Mr. Cuellar. Yeah, why don't we do this. Sir, again, for the record, submit to the committee in writing within 10 days from today the information that she requested specifically on the $340 million contract. If you can break that down as to what your company and the subcontractors make. Ms. Waters. He doesn't know how much he makes now. Mr. Cuellar. Well, apparently, he doesn't, right; is that correct? Ms. Waters. You don't know how much your contract is worth? Mr. Tarakajian. Our contract is worth $340 million. That is the value of the contract. Ms. Waters. But you told me everybody gets paid out of that contract. Mr. Tarakajian. That's correct. Ms. Waters. How much do you get paid out of the $340 million for your company? Mr. Tarakajian. Again, I would have to go and collect that information. Mr. Cuellar. Why don't we go ahead and provide that information to the committee within 10 working days from today, sir. Mr. Tarakajian. Will do. Mr. Cuellar. And also the information I requested on the production, labor, breakdown on the tallying, the dubbing, the shipping and all that, if I can have the breakdown, again, to be submitted to the committee within 10 working days. [The information referred to follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.183 Mr. Cuellar. At this time, I'll recognize the gentlewoman from Texas, Ms. Jackson Lee, if you have any further questions. You're recognized for 5 minutes. Ms. Jackson Lee. Thank you very much. Dr. Groves, I want to pointedly speak to you because you represent the administration, and really say to you that we do want to be your partner. We know that this is a collective challenge and responsibility in this instance for at least two branches of government, the executive and the Congress. I want to, first of all, thank the chairman for this hearing and just hope that you will leave here knowing that we are in fact partners. As I ask my questions, and I'm asking them because I am on the ground in our respective districts, and I see either the confusion that I've acknowledged and/or the angst and anguish. For example, you've indicated, and you might want to answer this, you say if you had been in place, you would not have used I guess print media or advertising. And I would be interested, I want to go quickly, so I want to hear that question. But what I also wanted to say to you is that, culturally speaking, and I don't pretend to be the expert, but living amongst very diverse cultures, there are some print newspapers, for example, that are in essence the Bible in certain communities. Whether it's Asian, whether it's in it's in their own language, many language-directed newspapers, whether it's Latino, whether it's immigrant, vast immigrant, whether it is subsets of the African American population, that means African, Haitian and others, these newspapers are valuable. And so when I made the comment about, I was not being short the Arab American community. I was not being light in my assessment of $1.7 million and then moving it to $2.5 million, as if I was going to tumble over and feel so overwhelmed by the increase. And let me tell you what my concern is. You know, you wonder--I enjoyed the Super Bowl. I went to about four or five Super Bowl parties, and I enjoyed the diversity of the folk that I saw. Unfortunately, I might have been like a lot of Americans. Maybe some people were sitting down. But I can tell you this. In the homes that I went in, people were so busy slapping five and having a good time, I'm not sure what advertisements they might have seen. And so, even though you might have had a great audience, I can't take a poll. I'm sure there was a judgment made on that point, but I'm not sure whether anybody came away and said, ``do you know what, besides the Saints going marching in, do you know that the Census is here?'' Dr. Groves, I'm not sure that occurred. But I will tell you that newspaper ads and electronic media in specific audiences, minority radio, make a difference on drive time. Somebody picking up a newspaper at a church or at a store, they take those papers home. They open them. They may not be reading everything, but if they get a front page slot or they see an ad, they will move forward on that because it's a piece of paper that they're holding onto. Let me just hear you very quickly. What did you say about print advertising? I wasn't sure whether you were saying you were for it or you would have done something different. Dr. Groves. What I tried to convey, first of all, I'm not an advertiser. Ms. Jackson Lee. And I understand. This is just your preference. We've already gone over that. Dr. Groves. I've learned a lot over the past few months. But what was done, I'm sure, because I've seen the approach, was to examine for the hard-to-count groups their media consumption by type of media. Ms. Jackson Lee. Right. Dr. Groves. That led to the targeting. And so if you go across these different hard-to-count groups, the role of radio in the community varies across the groups. The role of print varies and so on. So that guided the national buys. In the last few months, I've been traveling all over the place. I've talked to local folks. I was in Minneapolis last, gee, just a few days ago, with local newspapers talking about exactly what you're talking about, but this was the Somali community in Minneapolis. Ms. Jackson Lee. Right. I know them well. Dr. Groves. I get this point, and when I go back and look at the national plan, I see the difficulty we have communicating the fact that we have to have certain thresholds; we have to go off of audience figures for the outlooks that we're using. That's the---- Ms. Jackson Lee. So you're buying into it now. You would have had a different approach, but you understand what we're saying. Dr. Groves. I understand. And we tried--when I asked how we did this, we tried to get input from our regional offices, and they did indeed enrich the media outlet list that was part of the---- Ms. Jackson Lee. Let me, because my time is going. Dr. Groves. Sorry. [The information referred to follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.184 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.185 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.186 Ms. Jackson Lee. But let me get on record with you, Director Groves, $2.5 million is not enough for print media. I haven't gotten the electronic media, and I'm going to do a series of questions. I want to leave you now, because you have indicated that you will reach out to me on the organization and the enrollment and no response and a lot of other issues that we need to talk about on the record. I want to get that on the record acknowledging how important these people are. Can I just make these questions, Mr. Tarakajian, on the record, Mr. Chairman, I need to get, as I indicated, a list of all the contractors, and Congresswoman Waters may have asked that. But to Mr. Garcia and Ms. Ennis, I need all of the-- you're doing radio and print? Ms. Ennis. Yes. Ms. Jackson Lee. Are you producing ads as well? Ms. Ennis. GlobalHue and GlobalHue Latino are producing ads as well. Ms. Jackson Lee. So you're getting persons to act. Are you doing television? Ms. Ennis. TV, radio. Ms. Jackson Lee. OK. What's the buy for television? Ms. Ennis. I'm not sure what your question is. Ms. Jackson Lee. How much are you spending on TV that's directed to the minority community? Ms. Ennis. Local TV or national or both? Ms. Jackson Lee. Both. Ms. Ennis. OK, can I take 1 second? Ms. Jackson Lee. OK. Then let me--Mr. Garcia is answering the same thing. This is combined. The second thing is, I need from you the list of all print that you're utilizing. And let me be on the record that I have no ownership in the Houston Sun. I'm using it as an example, and I'm not precluding anyone else. I would like to get a list of all of the newspapers. The only reason I use them as an example is my understanding is that they were part of the conversation and dialog by several groups, and there may be others in Atlanta or others somewhere else, and they were left out. Ms. Ennis. Houston Sun is on our media buy. Ms. Jackson Lee. We don't have that information, but if you would give me the whole list. And that is all the papers. And then if you have an immigrant population paper list, I would appreciate it. Ms. Ennis. Yes, we do. Ms. Waters. Will the gentlelady yield? Ms. Jackson Lee. I would be happy to yield. Ms. Waters. While you're making that request, would you also request, I guess, what would be termed as the coverage that particular newspaper has? Because as I've been looking at some of this information, it seems so disproportionate. There are some newspapers that, or magazines, that they give extraordinary amounts to, and ones who have more coverage get less amounts. And I want to see how they make these decisions. So if you would include that in your request, I would appreciate it. Ms. Jackson Lee. I think the gentlelady is correct. The analysis of how you made the decisions and how you make decisions as to the amount of advertising in the particular media magazines versus others. I hear the gavel, and I'm just--was this submitted in the record, this is the American survey. Mr. Cuellar. Without objection. 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I would like to submit this in the record. I guess we're not having another round. But Director Groves, I think this is your document, this is the American survey? Dr. Groves. The American Community Survey, yes. Ms. Jackson Lee. I will say to you that this is posing a lot of confusion, and maybe we will get an answer on how we decipher that and get people to know it's 10 minutes and 10 questions. And I know my colleague raised the same point. And how we separate this out. Why couldn't this be sent 2011 and get this information or December 2010 to get this information? So I yield back. And I thank the chairman. Mr. Cuellar. Thank you very much. One question, before I pass it on to the ranking member, the company D'Esposito, is that one of them also that's owned by you? Mr. Tarakajian. Yes. D' Esposito is a company that is one of our core subcontractors, but we hired them after. Mr. Cuellar. Is that part of the three, or is that No. 4? Mr. Tarakajian. No, they are not owned by the Interpublic Group. They are an independent company. Mr. Cuellar. OK. And I want to correct myself on something. In Homeland, I usually give 10 days, but I understand this committee, it's 5 days. So I will correct myself and ask that the information be submitted 5 days, 5 working days from today. At this time, I'll recognize the ranking member. Mr. Chaffetz. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Before I was talking about the American Community Survey and some of the concerns about the timing, the questions and whatnot. Let me also say publicly that the Republican National Committee, I'm a Republican, sent out a so-called census across the country. I think that was wrong. I don't think we should necessarily mandate or put in statute that you shouldn't use the word ``census.'' But I think it was deceiving at best. And I wish my party had not done that. I would encourage others to not try to piggyback and take advantage of the word ``census'' at a time that we're trying to encourage participation. And I think it was used as an enticement to open an envelope, and I wish they hadn't have done it. But I want to be fair on both sides and stand on principle, and so I want to say that. I have been somewhat frustrated, Director Groves, as you know, about the question of hiring criminals to conduct the enumeration parts of the Census. I would like to ask again, how many criminals are we hiring to do the enumeration, and what crimes do you think are acceptable to be hired to become an enumerator? Dr. Groves. I could--I briefed the chairman and the Ranking Member McHenry on the changes in both the fingerprinting and the adjudication process. And I think we were close to having a meeting, but the snowfall did us in, of all the Members. I would be happy to do that again. If you would like I could read through all of the crime types that throw out an applicant immediately from consideration. Mr. Chaffetz. I guess for the benefit of the full committee, I would like your commitment and understand the timing of when you're going to provide that information. I think those are two critical pieces of information. I think Congress is entitled to see that information. Dr. Groves. I'm happy to do that right now if you would like Congressman. Mr. Chaffetz. And in the essence of time, I want to be careful of my colleagues, if you can submit it right now that would be great. I will look at it and read through it tomorrow. I understand there's going to be a lengthy list of maybe what's not acceptable, but I also want to see what's acceptable. And I would like to know how many people we are hiring that fall into this category. So, again, if I have your commitment that you have this information, that you will provide it. We'll try this again. The hour is late, and we're coming up on 9 here. Do I have your assurance that you are going to provide that information? Dr. Groves. Sure. [The information referred to follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.240 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.241 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.242 Mr. Chaffetz. OK. I appreciate it, because my time is real short, one last thing, I would appreciate your explanation on, what is this category called ``Census in schools?'' How much are we spending there, and what does that really do? I mean, if you're a 12-year-old kid, you're not going to be able to fill out the Census. And I guess you want to encourage mom to do it, but what is this program? And why are we spending so much? And how much are we spending on it, and why are we spending so much on it? Dr. Groves. We're spending about $13 million on it. And let me tell you the program to answer your question. This is a program that has exercises for K-through-12 kids, year appropriate. The focus of the exercise is to teach the constitutional basis of the Census in those grades that can consume that. In grades that are lower, it talks about what a Census is, the fact that this country, since 1790, has done this. And they do exercises; accounting, map reading. There's a bit of civics, a bit of arithmetic, a bit of geography that's done. What we found I think and what other countries have found repeatedly is that, for new immigrant families, the children are the first to learn the language of the new country. And to the extent they understand the message and they look forward to participating in their Census, their first Census for many of them, that aids the participation rate of others. I've gone to several schools around the country. We have enlisted the help of Sesame Street characters to help get this message out, so the Count and Rosita sometimes come with me. The kids get it. Mr. Chaffetz. Maybe next time you could bring them along. Dr. Groves. I have quizzed kids about things that my adult friends don't know. The lessons are working. They know why we do a Census. They know--some of them know that Thomas Jefferson was the first Director of the census. They get it. So I think this is an area that we should all be proud that we're teaching these young Americans about how this country works and how the census fits into it. Mr. Chaffetz. It sounds like an admirable goal. You know, I question $13 million, and how did it work. And, obviously, I think, Mr. Chairman, it's $13 million. How is that money passed out? Dr. Groves. This is actually done through schools. So with an alliance from scholastic.com, teachers can go to the Web site and download the materials. This seems to be working. And then we send out maps and other materials directly to the schools. Mr. Chaffetz. If we could learn the details of how that is administered and how that money gets put out. Dr. Groves. Sure. Mr. Chaffetz. On the one hand, it sounds like a very large number. When you think about the tens of millions of kids we have out there and all the schools---- Dr. Groves. And do you know what's fun? To go to a school in your district and watch them do this exercise. Mr. Chaffetz. If we could learn more about how that money is administered and who has that contract. That's sort of similar to what we were talking about before. We would appreciate it. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Cuellar. And Director Groves, again, within 5 days, if you can submit that information from today. Director Groves. We're about to close, but let me say, you and I have spoken about the question that the ranking member asked, and of course, you're going to do everything to make sure that the American public is protected; is that correct? Dr. Groves. Absolutely. I've testified and I've given speeches that the safety of both the American public and our enumerators are key to the success of the Census. This has to be both true in fact and true in perception. I care deeply about this. We're doing everything we can to make sure that occurs. [The information referred to follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.243 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.244 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.245 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.246 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.247 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.248 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.249 Mr. Cuellar. And I know you well, so I appreciate your time. Director Groves--one more? One more question, and then we're going to move to the next panel. Ms. Jackson Lee. A record clarification if I could. And, Dr. Groves, you didn't answer my question on the American survey, the timing. Is that now, or is it later? Dr. Groves. Since the early 2000's, continuously we've been doing that survey. Every month, a small sample of households get that, and it just keeps going forever. Ms. Jackson Lee. You might think with your top leadership how we can help people discern the two, particularly in the unaccounted area. Mr. Chairman, just a record clarification. Ms. Ennis, are you going to submit what I asked you to submit in writing, or do you have a number right here? I asked a question, Mr. Chairman, and she was looking through her papers. Ms. Ennis. I can give you the numbers right now and in writing if you would like, if we have time. Ms. Jackson Lee. Mr. Chairman, I don't know if--how do you want it, Mr. Chairman? Mr. Cuellar. If we can do this quickly, because I do want to move into the second panel. Ms. Jackson Lee. If you can just say it quickly. Ms. Ennis. I'm just going to read them off. It's $6 million in national television; $4.2 million in local television; $2.8 million in national radio; $3.9 million in local radio; $1.6 million online, that's digital marketing; $800,000 in magazine; $2.5 million in local newspapers; and $1.2 million in out of home. Ms. Jackson Lee. We're writing it down, and you can put that in writing. And I'll just close on this point so that I will not be reflected negatively in the record. I'm not asking about one newspaper. I used them as an example of individuals who were left out. And Mr. Bakewell is here, and he knows that I'm looking at the vast number of newspapers, not only in Houston but elsewhere, and I think that number is not high enough. And last, my good friend from Utah, I would like to clarify the word ``criminals,'' because I have the greatest respect for the Census, and I know that it's a different term from criminals. These are individuals who you're not barring, who happen to be ex-felons or maybe ex-felons or may have had and are through the process and are employable. So I know that they may have had a record, to my distinguished gentleman. And I know that you're going to give him a report, Dr. Groves, about what the criteria is, but I wouldn't want to frighten the public about criminals. I believe it is different from that. It is people who are eligible to work who may have had a prior encounter with the law, and you vetted them and making sure they're able to work. But I know you'll give us a final report on that. And I yield back to the chairman. Mr. Cuellar. Thank you. Thank you very much to the witnesses. Dr. Groves, Mr. Tarakajian, Mr. Garcia and Ms. Ennis, we want to thank you very much. Again, this was a long day. As you can see we started out with Toyota, and still got one last panel, I believe, or two more. All right. So, again, I want to thank you. To all of you all, thank you very much. We'll move on to the second panel at this time. Thank you very much. Good night. Before we get started, I believe the U.S. Census Director's staff turned in a document to the ranking member, and you want to make a motion. Mr. Chaffetz. I just ask unanimous consent to submit it into the record. Mr. Cuellar. Without objection. All right. We now move to our second panel. Our first witness is Ms. Karen Narasaki, the executive director of the Asian American Justice Center, one of the Nation's leading voices that advocates for the rights and interests of Asian Americans. The second witness is Mr. Arturo Vargas, the executive director of the National Association of Latino Elected Officials [NALEO], the national organization of Latino policymakers and their supporters. The next one will be Ms. Helen Hatab Samhan, the executive director of the Arab American Institute Foundation. Thank you again for being here. And then we have the final panelist is Ms. Linda Smith, executive director of the National Association of American Child Care Resource and Referral Agencies. I want to thank all of you all for appearing before this subcommittee. As you know, it is a policy of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee to swear in all the witnesses before they testify. And I would like to ask each of the witnesses to please stand and raise your right hands. [Witnesses sworn.] Mr. Cuellar. Let the record reflect that the witnesses answered in the affirmative. Each of you all will have 5 minutes to make an opening statement. Your complete written testimony will be included in the hearing record. The yellow light will indicate that it is time to sum up. The red light indicates that your time has expired. And Members, we are going to stick to the 5 minutes. We're just going to go one round for the courtesy of the witnesses. And of course, I think we have another panel afterwards. It is 9:06, so we're just going to go with--we'll be very strict on the time and just go with one line. So, at this time, Ms. Narasaki, I would ask you to proceed with your testimony. STATEMENTS OF KAREN NARASAKI, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, ASIAN AMERICAN JUSTICE CENTER; ARTURO VARGAS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF LATINO ELECTED OFFICIALS; HELEN HATAB SAMHAN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, ARAB AMERICAN INSTITUTE FOUNDATION; AND LINDA SMITH, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF AMERICAN CHILD CARE RESOURCE AND REFERRAL AGENCIES STATEMENT OF KAREN NARASAKI Mr. Narasaki. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We appreciate the invitation to the Asian American Justice Center to testify on this very critical issue. My name is Karen Narasaki, and I'm president of the Asian American Justice Center. We are a member of the Census Bureau's Advisory Committee for the 2010 census. And as we did in 2000, AJC is leading a national Census outreach campaign for Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders. We are working with partners such as our affiliates in LA, the Asian Pacific American Legal Center of Southern California; and in Chicago, the Asian American Institute in Illinois; and one of our key partners in New York, the Asian American Federation. We have directly funded in a coordinating effort by 29 local community-based organizations in 21 States. And they include the Legal Center in LA, which is subgranting a statewide campaign, as well as three groups in Houston; OCA, BPSOS and one of the South Asian organizations. We have also developed educational PSAs, brochures and other translated materials and have created a Web site that serves as a national clearinghouse for census 2010 materials created for Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders in various languages. And it's part of our campaign, ``Fill in Your Future,'' and you can find it at fillinyourfuture.org. We are also partnering with national civil rights organizations such as the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, the National Conference of American Indians, the NAACP and the NALEO. Mr. Vargas will be testifying after me. As you know, Asian Americans have historically been undercounted. And because the community is two-thirds foreign born and comprised of more than several dozen distinct ethnic groups and a multitude of cultures, speaking many different languages varying generationally, many challenges exist in counting this population. We are pleased that the Census Bureau has listened to our recommendations from the 2000 census effort in building their 2010 Census Integrated Communications Campaign. Ethnic media is a very important tool in communicating to our community. In fact, three in four Asian Americans are reached through ethnic media. The Asian American media plan is significantly more inclusive than in 2000, with more languages covered and over 750 media outlets engaged. Media buys are being made nationally and in 53 additional local markets, covering 13 Asian languages and 17 Asian ethnic groups. And most importantly, this campaign does not have a one- size-fits-all generic Asian campaign, but it is one that is culturally sensitive for each targeted ethnic group. However, while there is improvement, there are still significant gaps. Too many restrictions on the access to the agencies working on the media campaign by community partners working with the Bureau have created frustration for a lot of our partners and has, unfortunately, bred some suspicion and animosity that we think could be prevented. This has led to negative media coverage in some ethnic newspapers of census 2010 at a time when the Bureau needs to be building trust in our communities. The national budgets allocated for communities do not appear to be enough to cover several of the smaller but growing and harder-to-count Asian communities, such as the Indonesians, the Sri Lankans, Burmese, and isolated communities, such as the Montagnards Vietnamese. In addition, there's no Pacific Islander media campaign for the mainland; it is only focused on the island. Many Pacific Islanders actually reside on the Continental United States, and we run a high risk of missing them during the 2010 census. Finally, key opinion leaders often read the English language Asian media, and despite the increase in English language Asian media outlets, no resources seem to have been allocated at all to these media organizations. Of great concern also is the regional office issues. There's a lack of coordination between the national and regional local outreach and public relations efforts. The Bureau needs to ensure better coordination. It is important for them to work with their regional offices also to make sure that they are recruiting, hiring and training the employees with the best language and cultural skills needed to secure an accurate count. Another concern is the need for adequate hiring and training. Unfortunately, the AAPI partnership specialists qualities vary significantly across the regions, and not enough specialists have been hired to cover various communities. So, for example, in Chicago, our affiliate there had to fight to get even one Asian-specific partnership specialist hired, despite the growth in the population. To date, the regional office has only recruited one Chinese-speaking partnership specialist, despite the huge diversity of the immigrant community in Chicago. We also believe that the Census Bureau needs to act quickly to identify its Questionnaire Assistance Centers and Be Counted Sites. In 2000, they did it only a week before census day. And they must do a better job coordinating the advertising of where these sites are going to be, including the organizations' leading community based outreach efforts. Finally, the Census Bureau needs to make much more of a priority to ensure that deceptive mailings and Internet scams that pretend to represent the Census Bureau and census 2010 are not used to mislead, misinform, or otherwise swindle these particularly vulnerable communities. In conclusion, I look very much forward to answering any questions you may have. Thank you very much. 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Thank you Mr. Chairman, Representative Jackson Lee, my fellow Angeleno, Representative Waters. Thank you for the opportunity to appear before you tonight to discuss this topic. First, we applaud the Census Bureau for recognizing the importance of using Spanish language media and commend the breadth of the paid media strategy, the investments in creating and developing messages based on research and in consultation with key stakeholders. However, we have identified significant weaknesses in the Bureau's Latino communications plan. First, the Bureau's 2010 investment to reach Latinos does not keep pace with inflation nor with population growth. In 2000, the Bureau spent $18.9 million on Latino outreach, compared to $25.5 in 2010. Had the Bureau merely accounted for inflation, the 2010 budget would have been $23.4 million. Accounting for more than half of the total U.S. population growth, the Latino population has increased by 33 percent since 2000. Had the Bureau increased its spending to account for both inflation and population growth, the 2010 Latino allocation would have been at least $31 million. Second, the Bureau's Latino strategy relies almost exclusively on Spanish-language media and ignores the English- dominant Latino population. While Spanish language media are very effective in reaching Latinos who consume those media, many Latinos rely primarily on English language media. The Bureau investment in English language media is virtually nonexistent. We are deeply concerned that English-dominant Latinos, may of whom live in hard-to-count communities, will not be reached effectively. Third, our media partners have informed us that the Bureau's investment is not enough for effective market penetration in many regions of the country. This is particularly a problem in nontraditional Latino population centers such as the Deep South, the Mid-Atlantic, and the Midwest. A fourth weakness is the method by which the Bureau used to decide local media buys which allow for deeper market penetration and better message targeting. The Bureau developed six criteria to develop local Spanish language media buys. Those markets meeting at least four of the six criteria were selected. Now we commend the Census Bureau for including hard-to- count scores and mail return rates in the criteria. However, we do have concerns with the methodology by which these criteria are formulated. Where the Latino population is concentrated in hard-to- count areas, the use of market-wide HTC averages mask the presence of areas with low HTC scores. This measurement fails to accurately capture the hard-to-count score for many Latinos in a particular market. Similarly, the criterion which uses the average 2000 census form mail return rate [MRR], for a local market provides a skewed measure of the return rate among Latinos. We analyzed nine media markets that did not receive local television media purchases by isolating specific tracks of significant Latino populations and determined their average HTC score and MRR. We also examined the Latino percentage within tracks and HTC scores of the national average or mail response rates below the national average. This analysis presents a very different picture of the need for spot buys. Our analysis suggests that the Bureau did not make local spot buys in areas where its averaging methodology masks the presence of hard-to-count Latinos. Similarly, several markets with above average response rates have Latino tracks where the rate is significantly lower than the national average. These markets include Boston, Austin, and Hartford-New Haven. The Bureau's HTC and mail response criteria are compounded by population size criteria. This disproportionately affects markets with emerging Latino populations and communities which are relatively small. For example, the Laredo market is by all measures a hard-to-count Latino market, but it does not meet the 100,000 Latino household threshold criterion. Similarly, the Atlanta market has over 158,000 households, many of them in hard-to-count Census tracks, yet fails to me the criterion of Latino households comprising at least 11 percent of all households in a particular market. Both of these markets were shut out of local media buys. So, therefore, based on our analysis we offer the following policy recommendations: One, the Census Bureau must make a reasonable investment in paid advertising to reach English- dominant Latinos, and it must significantly increase its spending on Spanish-language media. Two, the Census Bureau must be more transparent with respect to criteria for targeting local buys. We believe the Bureau was overly vague with stakeholders about a strategy, making it difficult to provide any guidance. We urge the Bureau to do better in its media buys during nonresponse followup. Third, the Census Bureau should report to Congress and stakeholders strategies to reach Latinos in local markets that are difficult to count and do not receive local media buys. Fourth, the Census Bureau should carefully examine the inadequacies in existing Spanish-language local media buy criteria and make improvements when implementing nonresponse followup. Finally, there are two unrelated matters that warrant this subcommittee's attention. We recommend Congress curtail third- party efforts that exploit the Census. We also urge the Bureau to develop a paid media strategy to inform the public about what data are and are not collected in the Census and how to identify authentic enumerators. There are recent press reports that fake Census takers are defrauding families who believe they are cooperating with the Bureau. These acts are repugnant, undermine the Census, and they must be stopped. Thank you again for this opportunity to share our views on the 2010 census media plan on hard-to-count communities. We look forward to working with the Congress in partnership with the Bureau in ensuring a full Census count in 2010. 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Thank you for this opportunity to share the perspectives of Arab Americans as you explore the issues that will affect communities who will be hard to count in 2010. By way of background, the Arab American Institute has over two decades of experience in working with the Census Bureau on ways to improve data collection and also questionnaire relevance to ethic Americans and particularly to Arab Americans. It's no surprise I don't think to anyone that in the wake of September 11th prejudice and fear about Arabs emerged in American popular and political culture and were also manifested in national security policies, which were often based on profiling large segments of the Arab and Muslim populations based solely on their national origin or religious affiliation. This political and security environment and climate play a significant role in how Arab Americans will view the 2010 census. The hard-to-count community in my view fall into three categories: The traditionally hard to count. Those are immigrant families who have limited English proficiency, are not familiar as much with American processes, and might have come from countries where the government is not exactly a friend. The second category is the post-9/11 hard to count. And those are people who were willing to cooperate and support the Census in the last time around, but now, because of racial profiling in the wake of 9/11, are now more suspicious and less likely to appreciate the protections that are afforded by the Census Bureau. The third area is what we call identity hard to count, and this relates to the race categories as defined by the Office of Management and Budget and which are reflected on the 2010 census form. The undifferentiated White and Black race categories that do not allow for subgroup identification have caused confusion, alienation, and even anger within segments of the American population with origins in the Middle East and North Africa. Many first- and second-generation Arab Americans do not understand the race distinctions that are codified by the OMB categories and have lived through experiences both before and after 9/11 where they don't feel treated like the White majority population and therefore they don't relate to the race categories. The great attention to pluralism and ethnic and racial diversity in American civic discourse has further added to this disconnect between race classification and our active participation in the promotion of racial justice, tolerance, the defense of civil liberties, and the support for national security policies that do not punish or resort to racial profiling. Given this context and the fact that ancestry data are no longer collected in the decennial census operation, activists and advocates have the dilemma of encouraging participation in a survey which does not appear to recognize who Arab Americans are. While advertising alone will not reverse all of these challenges, we recognize and appreciate the serious effort that was made by the Bureau to reach Arab Americans and convince them of the safety and value of the Census participation. The early decision to include in the paid advertising campaign emerging language communities like Arabic beyond the recognized race and minority groups was a positive step, even though the percentage of the overall budget was understandably small. The Census Bureau listened to the need to address concerns about privacy and confidentiality in the early phases of Census planning and conducted focus groups to study opinions and attitudes of Arab Americans toward the Census. Our participation in the advisory process permitted a dynamic interaction in the planning of the 2010 census communications strategy, a process that sought advice and feedback from the early stages of conceptualization and review of message and creative design. Efforts to reach the Arab American community extend well beyond the paid advertising campaign. A number of regional Census offices, notably Detroit, Philadelphia, New York, and Los Angeles, dedicated partnership resources to reach Arab communities in their areas. Detroit, in particular, led the way by arranging for translation of outreach materials into Arabic as early as last summer and by assigning a team of up to six partnership specialists to work with the Middle East community. Finally, in our capacity as a national partner, we are launching a ``trusted voices'' PSA campaign in Arabic language media. The same agency that was hired by the Census Bureau for paid media ads offered to design and produce these ads on a pro bono basis. Our overall evaluation of the 2010 Census Integrated Communications Campaign is that it represents significant improvement over previous Census efforts. We understand that adequate resources and time are perennial challenges to any Census operation, and there's never enough of either to assure a perfect process. We also understand that multiple and sometimes competing interests of diverse advisory bodies make the consultative process complex, demand extraordinary patience, and result in decisions that are bound to disappoint some stakeholders. We are stakeholders, however, and are committed to work with the Bureau not only in the final weeks of the 2010 census but in the months and years that follow the decennial operation. Our interests going forward include studying the extent to which some other race is used by respondents of Arab origin and the results of the experimental panels to test alternative ways to measure race and ethnicity, and we look forward to new research into adding a question on ancestry in the next census in 2020. 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My name is Linda Smith, and I'm the executive director of the National Association of Child Care Resource and Referral Agencies [NAACCRRA]. That makes it a little bit easier. We are a nonprofit membership association, and we represent roughly 700 community based child care resource and referral agencies around the country. These agencies help ensure that families in 99.3 percent of all inhabited zip codes in the United States have access to high quality, affordable child care. Every week in this country, over 11 million children are in the care of someone other than their parents; and these children are under the age of 5. They are cared for by over 2.3 million child care providers. This group, as we know, is one of the most undercounted populations in the Census, and we have a serious interest in ensuring that these children get counted. So we see that child care can provide a vital link into this population during the 2010 census count. Our member agencies maintain a data base of child care providers and programs and use it to link parents who are looking for care to child care programs in their communities. On an annual basis, we provide services to over 7 million parents. Here in Washington, NAACCRRA operates Child Care Where, a national toll-free hotline and Web site designed to link parents to child care providers in their local areas. We serve another million parents through this hotline. Beginning this week, we will be posting information on the site about the 2010 census and will continue doing so throughout the period; and we will be encouraging our 700 members to do the same. Not only do we help parents find child care, but we also train over half a million child care workers every year. In addition, we collect information on the supply and demand for care and the cost of care in communities around this country. About 40 percent of our agencies administer child care subsidies to low-income families on behalf of States. NAACCRRA itself manages a fee-assistance program for nearly 20,000 children of AmeriCorps and Vista volunteers and military service personnel living off base, including National Guard and Reserve members currently deployed. Given our reach into the child care community, we have taken the lead in working with the Census Bureau to disseminate information about the importance of the 2010 census to parents. We have an aggressive plan, and much of our work will be focused on families living in difficult-to-count areas. We are working with other national organizations such as the Children's Leadership Council, the National Head Start Association, the National Black Child Development Institute, the National Indian Child Care Association, and LaRaza. We will be publishing our materials both in English and in Spanish. You have already heard the statistics or are aware of the undercount of the young child population. You have heard many of the reasons why that exists. We know firsthand that it's very difficult to reach into this community. In general, we know that families with young children are highly mobile and they do not have as many anchors in the community as families with children who are in public schools. But one thing that we do know, when they move, they need child care; and we can reach them during that process. We have a broad national network and are working with the Census Bureau to connect parents to their local child care programs. Our hope is to reach millions of families and ensure that our youngest children are well represented in the 2010 census. We will specifically target our agencies located in the most hard-to-serve counties, as submitted earlier. Because our programs depend on Federal funds that are apportioned based on the subsidy data, they have a real interest in getting this right in their communities. Before I close, I would like to acknowledge the efforts of the Annie E. Casey Foundation for their work on this issue. It is through their efforts that NAACCRRA has become involved in this work. We are working with Annie E. Casey and the Census Bureau, and our goal is to ensure that every child living in the United States is accurately counted in 2010. Again, thank you for inviting me to testify. [The prepared statement of Ms. Smith follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.312 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.313 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.314 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.315 Mr. Cuellar. Ms. Smith, again, thank you very much for being here with us and, again, to all the witnesses. We now move on to the question period for the Members and proceed under the 5-minute rule for Members. I will stick as Chair to the 5 minutes. I will go ahead and proceed now as the Chair. I just have one general question for all of you all. You heard the witnesses before. You heard how they were spending the money. There were questions about the contractors, and apparently the contractor didn't know how much money he was taking in and all that. Because I want to see more of that money spent in the field instead of up there for contracting purposes. What are your general thoughts about this? Anybody. Mr. Vargas, go ahead. Mr. Vargas. Thank you, sir, for that question. I think one of the problems is that this field is very expensive; and the Bureau, in many respects, regardless of who would have been the contractor, would have had to spend top dollar to get this job. I would say the quality of some of the ads that have been produced are high-quality ads, but the amount of money that is actually being spent on getting the ads out into the market is where I think this falls short. Because the rotation of the ads really is not sufficient to reach, at least in the Latino community's case, enough of a penetration in the markets to motivate people to act. Our media partners have told us that people need to hear the message at least seven times to understand what is happening, and they don't believe that the national coverage itself is sufficient to reach people seven times. Given the lack of local media buys in these emerging communities like Atlanta, Tampa, Orlando, Austin, Boston, Laredo, I think we are at serious risk of people not getting the message enough to be motivated to act. Mr. Cuellar. I believe what you're saying for the hard-to- count places, the local advertising, trusted voices would be more effective than the Golden Globes, Super Bowl. Would you agree that using some of that local media, whether its Hispanic or African American, would work better than some of the money that they have spent? Mr. Vargas. I think more local media would be very important, especially in emerging markets. We are particularly concerned about the lack of targeting Latinos in the South, which we have seen hypergrowth of Latino communities in the Carolinas, in Georgia, in Arkansas. Those are the communities that are going to rely exclusively on national media buys, which we have been told aren't sufficient to really motivate people to act. Mr. Cuellar. A question for all of you all, and I don't know if you all were stakeholders in this, but did they give you sufficient input or an opportunity to get your input in the overall strategy? Just from left to right. Ms. Narasaki. AAJC is part of the Census Advisory 2010, and we were actually part of a task force on media and advertising. The challenge, as you know, is a lot of the decisions get made many, many years before. That then limits what you can do going forward. So by the time that we were included, a lot of key decisions in terms of how much money would actually be available are already made. I want to echo what Arturo said about the issue about local trusted media that you yourself are making. One of the biggest issues in our communities, particularly the Latino and the Asian community, is to overcome the issue of distrust of government; and it is those local, trusted ethnic media who they trust for their knowledge of what is going on in their communities that have the most influence in being able to overcome that particular distrust. An ad on the Super Bowl isn't going to do it for them. Then, I just wanted to add on an earlier question about the ACS. My sister got the ACS questionnaire. She's college educated. We are four generation. We are not an immigrant population. And she herself was confused. She called to yell at me about how long it was. When I told her that actually isn't the Census, there's a second one that is coming in April, it was very confusing for her. There does need to be, I think, much more thought about how do you educate communities--how do you use some of the advertising to educate communities that there are, in fact, two Census tools going out. And particularly in the minority communities where it's hard enough to get them to answer one, you can imagine the challenge of trying to get them to answer two. Thank you. Mr. Cuellar. If you want to close up, because I want to stick to my 5-minute rule. Mr. Vargas. Thank you, sir. Not only is NALEO a member of the Census Advisory Committee but a member of the Joint Advertising Advisory Review Panel [JAARP]. And I want to commend the Bureau for establishing that review panel because back in April of last year we were able to put the brakes on what we thought was an obsolete messaging campaign that DRAFTFCB had developed. We asked them to go back to the drawing board to come back with different ads which we believe now are more appropriate for the kind of environment the Census is being conducted in, including the recession. Now what the Bureau did not do as good a job at is letting us know where the media buyers are going to be and how much will be spent on media buys. Had we been a partner like we were on the messaging, I think we could have been used better to advise the Bureau as to where we believe local media buys were more necessary. Ms. Smith. Can I respond to that, too? We are, obviously, a nonprofit association; and we are not receiving any funds to do the work that we are doing. I have to say that I think there's been sort of an overlooking of the whole nonprofit community and mobilizing them around the Census. If it hadn't been, as I said in my testimony, for the Annie E. Casey Foundation, the work that I had done with them in the past, we would not have been brought into this. I think--and now we are working with the Bureau on this--on trying to get this count of children. But I will add that I work with another organization here in Washington that represents over 50 children's organizations, all of them nonprofit, and none of them to my knowledge have been contacted to mobilize around the Census. I think it's a missed opportunity. These people represent groups that are highly trusted in their communities. I think we could do a lot more to get the Census out and we would benefit from it. Mr. Cuellar. Thank you. At this time, I will recognize the gentlewoman from California, Ms. Waters, for 5 minutes. Ms. Waters. Thank you very much. Just simply based on everything that you have seen and you understand about how this team is working, for each of you, just quickly, could you support the idea that there should be more money put in local media buys? Ms. Narasaki. Very definitely needs to be more money put in local media buys, particularly in the ethnic markets. One of the challenges, like with the Latino advertising dollars, the Asian dollars went up a little bit. But if you adjust for inflation and the fact that you're trying to cover a population that has gone from 12 to 15 million and has more language and diversity, it does not even begin to cover it. Ms. Waters. So that would be both radio, television and newspaper. What about you, Mr. Vargas? Mr. Vargas. What we would recommend in those local buys that the media buys be more strategic and that more weight be given to hard-to-count rate scores and mail response rate scores versus the size of a population. Ms. Waters. But the bottom line is, do you believe that we need to put more money into those local media buys? And we could design better and give advice about what they should be, but there should be more money to do the job. Mr. Vargas. There should be more money in local media buys. But I think it would be as important which local markets are selected for additional media buys. Ms. Samhan. I agree. I think it would be more beneficial to have more money in the local media buys. It does depend on where. We have a very small media in the Arabic media language to choose from; and, of course, we are the smallest percentage of the foreign language media buys as well. But I think that more local-based media is a good idea. Ms. Waters. What about you, Ms. Smith? Ms. Smith. I actually agree that would be a good thing, but I also think that there's an opportunity through the earned media and the use of the nonprofit community to get this word out. We have no budgets usually for media, and yet we work with the media a lot. I think just making the news, for example, in the case of children under the age of 5 being undercounted, we can go out and get media in other ways. Ms. Waters. So you're basically saying, in addition to media as we know it, the print and electronic media, that the non-profits have networks about which they should be supported to get the word out, also. Well, I thank you all. That's where I'm going with all of this. I really do think there needs to be more money to get to these populations and to be able to motivate in whatever the two phases are. I have a real appreciation for learning about Thomas Jefferson, but we really do have to get to the people who are going to fill out these forms and get them back. So if we make this recommendation, we are going to be looking for you for support. Thank you. Mr. Clay [presiding]. Thank you very much. Thank you for your indulgence. Representative Jackson Lee. Ms. Jackson Lee. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I'd like to follow the line of questioning that my colleague and you have made the record, so let me just ask the question, Ms. Narasaki, do you believe there should be an enhanced funding for media that outreaches to diverse groups, including print and radio in particular? Ms. Narasaki. Yes, I do. It is something that we have been advocating for over the last several years. We've had to advocate each year for increased funding for the Asian American media for the paid advertising as well as the community outreach. Those things are really important. Ms. Jackson Lee. And for fear of the interpretation of our position being considered either self-serving or to give another small business some money, can you articulate how important these cultural entities are to our communities or to communities of color, meaning their radio, print media, that is a comfortable vehicle? Why are you suggesting that you need that increase in the media? What does that do in terms of helping to eliminate or work against the undercount? Ms. Narasaki. Well, as you know, it actually helps the American public generally, because the more people you can get to respond to the mail initially, it saves in nonresponse followup. So we are trying to advocate for something that would be an overall helpful benefit to the Nation as a whole. The second thing is ethnic local media understand what are the messages that are going to most encourage people to respond, what is most important to the local community, how to best phrase that particularly in language, how to best communicate that, and they are the most trusted sources to get over the issue of fear about confidentiality and government intrusiveness. Ms. Jackson Lee. That's a term that I'm going to use, is the ``most trusted vehicle,'' which is a very important point in our mutual communities. Mr. Vargas, why don't you comment on the thrust of my questions. You made a point about the broad brush on Latinos all going to Spanish speaking, when there are any large numbers of Latinos who are English speaking. Why don't you speak to the need for media that is culturally relevant? Mr. Vargas. Again, I think Spanish-language media is very effective in reaching the population that consumes Spanish- language media. I will refer to my written testimony where we say research that--where Spanish-language media actually is able to increase, for example, voter turnout rates. But we also know voter turnout rates are the lowest among native-born English speaking Latinos, and it is that segment we believe is the hardest to count. So ignoring vehicles, media vehicles that use English language to reach these populations, whether they be young people or people who are disaffected from society, I think is a real missed opportunity. This is something we raised with the Bureau over a year ago, that the lack of an English- language media strategy could be a problem in the 2010 census. Ms. Jackson Lee. You listened to the listing that the previous witness gave about how much money is being spent on national and local. When the contract is $300 million--and my understanding is that the Census Bureau is not the ones that deciphered or delineated or categorized how the moneys would be spent--would you make the argument that there should be a returning to the drawing board to reconsider or reconfigure that funding breakdown? Mr. Vargas. With all due respect, I think we are already past the 11th hour figuratively and literally tonight. The Census is weeks away, and these media buys have been made. I think the most effective thing to do now is to identify those local media markets that did not get local buys with significant rates of hard-to-count communities and low-mail- response rates and do additional local media targeting in those communities. Ms. Jackson Lee. I'm an optimist, and I hear what you're saying, but I do know they haven't spent the total $300 million. So you're right. If they can't reconfigure, if the buys are solid, I guess I'm optimistic enough to say that some buys will be pulled down. But if that is not where they could go, then I would suggest that they dip into the $300 million. Let me quickly go to Ms. Samhan and Ms. Smith. Ms. Samhan, you have a unique community. If you would comment on the need to pertain to that unique community and how you think the Census is doing. Ms. Samhan. Well, as I said in my testimony, I believe that they are doing the best that they can with a relatively emerging market. This is the smallest percentage of the overall special market, foreign language media that was allocated. I expect that in the next Census operation it will increase, but it was under $800,000 for three language groups. So it's such a small drop in the bucket, and it was really for that reason that we realized that we needed to have a partnership effort that was to basically complement the limited funds that were available for these emerging language groups. So we did this PSA campaign, and we believe that actually there's a benefit to that as well because there's a way to get earned media and media from nongovernment sources or media about nongovernment sources supporting the Census. So we think that this partnership with all of the nonprofit organizations that represent our community speaking at the same time as the Census is advertising is actually a good thing. Ms. Jackson Lee. So we need to improve our partnerships. Let me put on the record the total that I heard Ms. Ennis speak to: $22 million for the broad minority community in terms of media, out of $300 million. There was a list of numbers that were given. I'm just putting this on the record. To my question, she gave me a list of numbers. It was $22 million. Mr. Vargas. I think that was for African American. Ms. Jackson Lee. I asked her to give me for all. Ms. Samhan. I think for her agency. Ms. Jackson Lee. Twenty-two million across the board for that. That is still--let me just put on the record $22 million for African American. Mr. Garcia did not respond. I will get it in writing. Let me just quickly conclude. I need to get back to Ms. Narasaki. Give us an answer to what you said was indicting and vital disorganization of the regional offices which many are seeing across the America. What do we need to do as Members of Congress to get right in the midst of that problem? Ms. Narasaki. I think it's helpful for Members of Congress to check into what kind of specialists have been hired in your district who are serving your district and to check and see whether you think it's reflecting the demography of the communities who actually make up your district and ask those questions. While the census day is April 1st, there's nonresponse followup, and that is going to be critical to have people who can knock on the doors and get the answers they need to get. Mr. Clay. The gentlewoman's time has expired. I now recognize Mr. Cuellar of Texas. Mr. Cuellar. Mr. Chairman, thank you. I have asked my questions already. Mr. Clay. Let me have one final question for the panel. Ms. Smith, is the Census in the Schools program adequate to count and involve the children of this Nation? Ms. Smith. I don't think I'm qualified actually to answer that question, because we work mostly with the population of children that are preschool age children and they have not been targeted by any of these programs. So I think if I were to make one comment to everything that's been said tonight, I think we really have a serious issue at looking at young parents in this country and how do we access them. They are new into all of this since the last Census. And we are obviously not getting to them, no matter who they are. Children under five are not counted, and they are not targeted with any sincerity right now in this count. Mr. Clay. Thank you for that response. I will make inquiry with the Census Bureau about the comprehensive approach to involving young people, since they are the most frequently undercounted of all segments of our population. Panel two is dismissed, and we will call forward panel three. While panel three is coming forward, in the interest of time I will also announce that Marcelo Tapia and Hubert James will not appear tonight for various reasons. Also, we will include in the record the statements of Representative Hank Johnson as well as Representative Crowley of New York. [The prepared statement of Hon. Henry C. ``Hank'' Johnson follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.316 Mr. Clay. Our final panel today comprises those with media expertise on reaching those hard-to-count populations focused on by Census efforts. First on our panel is Mr. Danny J. Bakewell. Mr. Bakewell is the chairman of the National Newspaper Publishers Association. The NNPA represents more than 200 Black community newspapers from across the United States. Mr. Bakewell is the executive publisher of the Los Angeles Sentinel and owns WBOK radio station in New Orleans. He is the recipient of numerous awards, including the NAACP Image Award and the Congressional Black Caucus Adam Clayton Powell Award. Mr. Bakewell is a much- sought-after speaker, community organizer, and leader. Welcome to the committee. Next, we have Mr. James Winston, executive director and general counsel of the National Association of Black Owned Broadcasters. Mr. Winston is a partner in the D.C. law firm of Rubin, Winston, Diercks, Harris, and Cooke. He has been the Executive Director of NABOB since 1982. From 1978 to 1980, Mr. Winston served as Legal Assistant to FCC Commissioner Robert Lee. Mr. Winston is a graduate of Harvard Law School and holds a bachelor of science degree in electrical engineering from the University of Pennsylvania. Welcome to the committee. Next, we have Ms. Sandy Close, executive director of New American Media. New American Media is the country's first and largest national collaboration and advocate of 2,000 ethnic news organizations, founded by the nonprofit Pacific News Service in 1996. NAM is headquartered in California. Ms. Close has served as executive director of Pacific News service since 1974. A graduate of UC Berkeley, Sandy was formerly China editor of the Far East Eastern Economic Review in Hong Kong and founder of the Oakland-based Flatlands Newspaper. Thank you for appearing before the subcommittee today. It is the policy of this committee to swear in all witnesses before they testify. I'd like to ask each witness to please stand and raise your right hands. [Witnesses sworn.] Mr. Clay. Let the record reflect that all witnesses responded in the affirmative. Each of you will have 5 minutes to make an opening statement, and your complete testimony will be included in the hearing record. Of course, we have a lighting system which will be operated as soon as my friend gets back. Anyway, Mr. Bakewell, you are free to begin. STATEMENTS OF DANNY BAKEWELL, CHAIRMAN, NATIONAL NEWSPAPER PUBLISHERS ASSOCIATION; JAMES L. WINSTON, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLACK OWNED BROADCASTERS; AND SANDY CLOSE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, NEW AMERICA MEDIA STATEMENT OF DANNY BAKEWELL Mr. Bakewell. Thank you. Congressman Clay and members of the committee, I'd like to thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak before your committee this evening. It is really an honor to be here. Congressman Clay, I want to give you a particular vote of confidence or an acknowledgment for the leadership and vision that you have demonstrated in holding these hearings. They are much needed, and hopefully at the end of these hearings you will know that there is much needed to be done. I also want to thank the members on the committee for the vigilant and direct questioning that you have posed to members of the Census. Sometimes when you come before Congress you guys are so polite and you're so busy asking for the gentlelady and the gentleman and the gentle cousin, we get lost in terms of the substance of what it is we are trying to accomplish here. So I thank you very much for the directness of your questioning. In my time allotted, I'd like to provide you with an enhanced version of my written testimony which I have submitted. As chairman of the National Newspaper Publishers Association, which is the Black press of America, I represent nearly 200 Black newspapers and publishers throughout America. NNPA members reach more than 19 million African Americans and people of Caribbean decent weekly. This year, NNPA celebrates our 70th anniversary. We are not newcomers to this game. During 2010, we will also celebrate 183 years of tradition and service when the first Black newspaper was founded, Freedom Journal. It's appropriate that the echo of those who founded Freedom Journal said, ``we desire to plead our own case;'' and that is very much what we are here today talking about. Black communities throughout America over the many years the Black press has established a legacy of trust built on honesty and accurately telling the stories of Black America from a Black perspective to Black Americans about Black Americans and other people of goodwill. The Black press is the fiber that connects Black communities small, large, rural, urban, throughout America. Our member newspapers publish in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Greensville, Durham, Shreveport, Michigan, St. Louis, Oakland, Atlanta, Norfolk, Washington, Baltimore, Texas, North Carolina, South Carolina, all across America. The Black press is the Black community's drumbeat felt, heard, read in Black households 52 weeks a year throughout the United States. The Black press has been and continues to be the gatekeeper and collector of our historical archives and records of every political issue, civil rights struggle, and social justice movement, the challenges, triumphs of our people. The Black press's ability to inform, advise, influence, and lead in the Black community is unmatched, unchallenged, and unquestioned. The Black community's trust and confidence in the Black press was forged over many years. No media represents the Black community better. Today, I am here to testify on the importance of the 2010 census to Black Americans throughout America, and we want it to work. But I must tell you there seems to be a lack of importance given to delivering the 2010 census into all Black households throughout America, as evident by the Census's initial offer to buy advertisement in only a small portion of Black newspapers with a budget--they told you $1.7--it was $1.3 million--to count 40 million Black people. This is a difficult task under any circumstances, but a budget of $1.3, you don't intend to count Black people. As you are aware, the second decade of undercounting Blacks will have a devastating impact on Blacks living in the United States for many years to come. We were undercounted by 2 percent; and according to the statistics that I understand, 2 percent represents about $178 million in terms of how that is correlated. If we come up short, we again, for every 1 percent, it will cost the government $90 million. So this is a clear case of being penny wise and pound foolish. We cannot let this happen. This is not a normal advertising campaign in which you can adjust your strategies. The Census has about, as it's been said, about 6 weeks to go. What happens when we get the count wrong? What happens when it comes back and all the households are not responding? We are going to be put in a position where we have to forever hold our peace. If we allow this to happen, Black Americans will receive reduced funding in education, health care, reduced resources from government. Black-elected officials will be severely compromised and threatened and in many instances lost. We cannot afford that. And I know you understand that. Today, I'm here to tell you that even though Black newspapers have the trust and respect of the Black community and despite having the ability to deliver advertising messages to the masses of Black consumers and Black people, the way we are going into the market is ineffective and must be altered now. Simply stated--and I met with and talked to many of you-- we need more money. The Black press of America needs at least $10 million to have a consistent message in 200 Black newspapers throughout the America. There is no reason to cherry-pick. Wherever Black newspapers are, that is where Black people are. We wouldn't operate if those communities weren't there. Nobody reads our papers but Black people. So if you want to communicate with Black people, you have to communicate through us. There are other mediums, just like they talked about the Super Bowl, $2.5 million. Fine. But don't expect to count us. Don't expect to get any residue. You're talking about Thomas Jefferson. When we talk about Thomas Jefferson, we talk about him and his mistress. We ain't talking about him being the head of the Census. So let's be real. These people up here were talking to you like if they were teaching a class at Georgetown University. They had no emotion. They are just reading. They are just talking. They are just giddy-uping. And that is the same kind of message that they created to go into our communities. It's not provocative. Nobody can deliver a better message in Los Angeles than Maxine Waters. Why don't you put her in an advisement? Put Lacy Clay in the advertisement. Put Jackson Lee in the advertisement. That's the kind of stuff that we need. We need names and people and bodies that are trusted in our community. Let me get back to this script. If we are to--you cannot say that you want to count all Black people and then unveil a program to advertise in only 16 markets. That's where they started out, 16 markets. Didn't have Doris Ellis, didn't have Dr. Suggs, didn't have Amelia Ward. That's in places like Houston. That's in places like St. Louis. That's in places like Oakland, California. That's in places like North Carolina, South Carolina. No Black people live there? What's the deal? How can you do that? How egregious is this? Now we're up to 55 markets, but we still don't have all 200 Black newspapers, and this is going to result in the greatest undercount in the history of Black America. And you and we will suffer from that. I beg you, as I have when I have met with you individually, not to let that happen. We cannot travel back down the road of having Black Americans once again undercounted and underrepresented in the U.S. Census. The message that we all count and need to be counted cannot be fully realized with an advertising campaign that reaches some African Americans. It must be geared to all African Americans. Black people do not live in only 16 markets in America. We live in America. Black people live in small, large cities, rural, urban, all over America. We must deliver the message where we live, where we pray, where we are educated, and where we are best informed. And the vehicle best to reach us continues to be Black newspapers, Black radio, and Black churches. No question about it. If we are serious about securing an accurate count, we must implement a comprehensive outreach plan that requires placement and advertising of every Black newspaper throughout America. If not, the 2010 census information is not going to be captured and once again Blacks are going to be undercounted and underrepresented, losing out on millions of dollars in our---- Mr. Clay. Mr. Bakewell, thank you for your presentation. You went 4 minutes over, in the interest of the other witnesses. We will let you in the question and answer period elaborate even more. Thank you very much. [The prepared statement of Mr. Bakewell follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.317 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.318 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.319 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.320 Mr. Clay. Mr. Winston, 5 minutes. STATEMENT OF JAMES L. WINSTON Mr. Winston. Thank you, Chairman Clay, Congresswoman Waters, Congressman Cuellar, Congresswoman Jackson Lee. Thank you all for staying to this late hour for this very important discussion. My name is James Winston, and I'm the executive director and general counsel of the National Association of Black Owned Broadcasters. I thank you for inviting me to testify. NABOB is the only trade association representing the 245 Black-owned radio stations and 13 Black-owned television stations around the United States. I wish to provide comments on three subjects today. First, the paid advertising program targeting African Americans got started significantly later than for other communities. Second, there are problems with choosing stations based solely on Arbitron audience ratings. Third, the allocation of Census advertising dollars toward the African American communities should be increased. The ad campaign on general market stations began on January 1st. However, the campaign targeting the African American community got started much later. Some stations have advertised only within the last few days that they will be receiving Census ad buys, and some which were previously advised that they would receive Census ad buys have yet to be receiving them. Congresswoman Jackson Lee, you made the comment about the Houston Sun; and, in questioning, Ms. Ennis from GlobalHue said that Houston Sun was on the ad buy. Obviously, they have not conveyed that information to you, which sounds exactly like a situation I had just last week. Congresswoman, you will appreciate that, KJLH in Los Angeles contacted me because they had not gotten a Census buy, although they had been told that they had one coming. When we contacted GlobalHue last week, they said there was some paperwork mix-up, but of course KJLH was on the buy, and they began the buy just a couple of days ago. So in addition to the lack of money we have, we are not getting it. They are behind the curve in getting the money out. Obviously, the program is going to end at the same time for everybody. So if we started more than a month behind, we can't possibly get the messages out in time where they need to be going. So that is a problem that needs to be looked into as to what took so long to get started and why there's still stations that were told they are getting buys that have not gotten bought yet. Worse than the timing issue, however, is the fact that in several markets the African American owned stations have been completely overlooked and all the Census Bureau ad buys have been placed with non-African American owned radio stations that target their programming through the African American audiences. These ad buys have relied upon Arbitron audience data to choose these stations. However, a coalition of Black and Hispanic broadcasters has demonstrated that Arbitron's new unaccredited measurement service, the Personal People Meter, discriminates against Black and Hispanic audiences. Indeed, Chairman Towns of this committee held a hearing investigating Arbitron's PPM on December 2nd of last year. After receiving testimony from the representatives of the PPM Coalition and Arbitron, Chairman Towns directed the parties to meet to resolve this ongoing controversy. The chairman warned Arbitron that they, the committee, would look at a legislative solution if the parties failed to do so. While the PPM Coalition and Arbitron have met numerous times, no resolution of this problem has been achieved. Moreover, even if the Arbitron data were reliable, reliance solely on Arbitron data would completely ignore the ability of Black-owned stations to connect with their communities. It is this connection shared by both Black-owned radio stations and Black-owned newspapers which has enabled these companies to survive for decades without Arbitron data and other data saying that we have large audiences. The connection between Black-owned radio and newspapers in their communities is not one that can be measured in and catalogued by Arbitron. It must be discerned from experience using those media to achieve a desired result whether to sell a product or convey important information relevant to that community. That is how you decide that a station is relevant to the community. Local talk show hosts and air personalities can have influence in their communities far beyond the audience number generated by Arbitron. Yet in many markets it appears that the Census Bureau advertising campaign has completely ignored this important fact. This leads me to my final point. The Census Bureau advertising budget needs to be revised to allocate more advertising dollars to Black-owned media. As the Bureau is well aware, some of the principal problems affecting the undercount in African American communities are distrust of government and a sense of disconnection from the government. Only a trusted voice in the local community can turn such attitudes around. Established Black-owned broadcast stations and newspapers are those trusted voices. They need to have a much more prominent role in the Census Bureau's advertising budget than they have had so far. I urge the committee to examine this matter further and direct the Bureau to make a greater utilization of Black- owned media. Thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today. [The prepared statement of Mr. Winston follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.321 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.322 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.323 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.324 Mr. Clay. Thank you, Mr. Winston. Ms. Close, you may proceed. STATEMENT OF SANDY CLOSE Ms. Close. Thank you very much. As the final speaker, probably the oldest speaker in this room, the speaker that just missed my airplane back to San Francisco, I want to echo what the last panel and my fellow panelists here said tonight to you and to wholeheartedly endorse the idea of expanding investment, especially during this last key, post-response phase of the campaign, to those ethnic media embedded in their communities where the low response rate makes them absolutely essential targets. I had hoped to show you a photograph, and I don't know if Anthony stayed. He had kept the photograph to put on the screen. Maybe he's already left. Because in some ways a picture is worth a thousands words. Let me then go back to my text very quickly and come to the most important example. Over the last year, New America Media organized 12 briefings for the U.S. Census for over 600 ethnic media practitioners. We started in New Orleans. We went second to Detroit. Then we went to Atlanta, Houston, Chicago, Seattle, Phoenix. We literally canvassed ethnic media across the country, and you could cut their exuberance with a knife. For many of them, in Denver, for example, and in Houston, it was the first time they had ever seen each other around a table as a collective media force and at the table with the top Census people. And I do salute A.J. Jackson and Maria Mattos and Raul Cisneros and Steve Bruckner for trekking long distances to talk with them about the Census. The difficulty is that they get the Census. Juan Carlos Ramos in New Orleans in 2000, the undercounted Hispanics in that city prompted Coca-Cola to drop advertising in the Hispanic market in New Orleans. There is no question these media absolutely understand the importance of the Census to their audiences, and from our first briefing until our last in Seattle the anxiety and the sense of, in a way, confusion over how they could get involved was very clear. They wanted transparency, and there was very little transparency. How do we get in line? Whom can we call? No one answers our e-mails. No one answers our phone calls. Above all, they expressed frustration over messaging that, even while offered in 28 languages, was being created often far from their communities and by agencies they had very little input to. Mr. Clay. Excuse me, Ms. Close. The photo is up. Ms. Close. There are the photographs. ``It's important that Census advertising is being created in Vietnamese,'' says Thuy Vu of Saigon Radio in Houston, ``but it's not Houston Vietnamese.'' Probably the best example came in Hupa, California, where the American Indian Hupa and Klamath River Tribes are served by two very important American Indian media. But take a look at the ads that the Census firms sent the Hupa, who have lived in redwood forests for 3,000 years. The first was of an American Indian against a cityscape, and the second was a plain Indian walking toward teepees. Both of them they rejected. We invested a very small amount of money that we raised from a foundation letting them shape their own messages; and if we can see that message, you will see the enormous difference. The third ad, which should be coming up right now, is Hupa looking out over their very isolated redwood forests and saying, ``if they don't count you, they will say no one lives here and they will take away our water rights.'' The idea that our ethnic media are the ones who have the knowledge of their communities and should be helping to shape the messages is what leads me to my final point, because I want to keep this very short. In the last phase if there could be an SOS campaign, save our services campaign, targeting media that were left out of the ad buy, or like Joe Orozco of Hupa Radio felt they could have done a far better job messaging; like the San Bernardino Sun that was left out; like the Burmese newspaper that has Burmese audiences in Phoenix, in Houston, and in Nashville; like The Ethiopia here in Washington, with over a hundred thousand audience left out. They know what the messages are that will really inspire and cut through the fear, and the idea would be invest in them much as we invest in a community based organization. We don't have time for endless focus groups to shape these ads. We should let these media shape the messages to their communities. And let me tell you, as Freedom Journal put it, ``we wish to plead our own cause. Too long have others spoken for us.'' They will convey the message that resonates in their communities. I have listed in my testimony some of the dozens of e-mails from over 47 percent of the media that came to our briefings with the U.S. Census but never received an ad buy. These folks did know how to apply. They did get in line. They did spend a day to be with the Census folks, and they are ready to go all out. Black media, Asian media, Hispanic media, Russian media, media that are really the unduplicatable audience-trusted messenger. And I hope that in this last phase of the campaign, we can maximize those dollars by giving them the leadership role to shape the messages for their communities. In doing that, you will reach 60 million ethnic adults who now rely on ethnic media. Ethnic media is the only sector whose audience has grown by 16 percent. In conclusion, it is also the media that, when asked ``what are your primary goals,'' 68 percent respond by saying service to the community. Only a third put making a profit as their goal. This is a resource we can't afford to lose as media meltdowns across the country. Your capacity to govern requires communicating with the governed. These are the media that are intermediary that are just totally ready to get involved to be at this table, and they have sent the messages to you through us which are excerpted in the testimony I have left with you. Thank you very much. [The prepared statement of Ms. Close follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.325 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.326 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.327 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.328 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.329 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.330 Mr. Clay. And we thank you for that testimony and what you have left this committee. It will certainly guide us in our advocacy for ethnic, so-called ethnic audiences. Let me recognize the gentlewoman from California first. Ms. Waters. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Let me thank you again for holding this hearing. This is very much needed. I think that we have gathered enough information here this evening to move and to get active to make sure that this so-called second phase or whatever they call it is done correctly; that more money is put into this advertising budget, more opportunities to shape the message from the local communities as you are describing you're right, this SOS. I agree with you 1,000 percent. Let me just say before I ask each of you if you agree that there's got to be more money, you mentioned about $10 million maybe for the African American press. And if we looked at all of the groups, we're probably talking about a total of at least somewhere between $30 million and $50 million more that's needed to cover everything. Danny Bakewell, may I ask you if in fact you advised the Census team that they should extract from you free press in order to get more money in the media buy from the Census team? Did they suggest that in some way? What happened with that conversation? Mr. Bakewell. Thank you, Congresswoman. I have submitted a letter. I gave you a copy of a letter, one to--that I sent to GlobalHue responding to that request, and then another letter which is a followup that identified specifically. And I want to read it into the record. What we said to them--they were talking about this issue of value added. We said you should ask--underline the word ask-- all of the Black newspapers who are committed to the Census and committed to making sure that Black people understand the importance of the Census, ask them to run articles, which we have been doing already, and ask them to run editorials reinforcing how important the Census is. They took the language that we gave them, which was to ask all of the newspapers, and this is what they wrote: In the lieu--this is very specific, Congresswoman, because you asked this woman, and she did not respond to this at all. As a matter of fact, this letter is directed to her and it starts off, ``I read your e-mail in the response to my letter to Mr. Coleman, and once again, you got it wrong!'' What they said is, In lieu of free ad space in all papers-- all papers--must--underline the word must--agree to running six articles preferably during the hiatus weeks, about the census 2010 as well as two editorials. If paper does not agree to the added value stipulation, buy will be canceled immediately. That was in the order, the insertion order, that they sent to the papers. Mr. Clay. What is the date of that? Mr. Bakewell. The letter that I sent to her was on January 15th. And I want the record to reflect, some members have told me that they went to--they confronted members of the Census about this, and they said, I apologized. I have never apologized nor do I intend to apologize nor would I ever apologize about anything that I have said regarding to the Census's inability to respond to the Black community and the Black media in terms of allocating the appropriate amount of resources and having the political will. You have the political will, but they are refusing to carry out your political will by putting the appropriate resources next to it. So to answer your question, that was--and I apologize Mr. Chairman, for being out of order. I am a little aggravated. But the point was---- Mr. Clay. I realize that you are very emotional about this. Mr. Bakewell. I am very passionate about this. Mr. Clay. Because you see the time slipping away from us as a Nation. I understand that. Mr. Bakewell. Absolutely. And this newspaper issue is my lane, and I am staying in it, and that was just an outright lie. I don't even understand how she could say that. Ms. Waters. Well, let me just say, if I may, reclaiming my time, Mr. Chairman, they were under oath when I asked the question. I tried to probe it in the length of time that we had, and I think that we were misled. So, Mr. Chairman, I will consult with you, but I think I am on the verge of asking for an investigation. First of all, it's discriminatory. Mr. Bakewell. Absolutely. Ms. Waters. And it appears that the African American newspapers are being told that they must give free space and editorials, or they will not get money. Mr. Bakewell. They have retracted that. In all fairness, after my letter and after my confrontation with Ms. Ennis, Mr. Coleman, who I never heard from and Mr.--what's his name? Jarvis? Jost? He did, they rescinded that, because we were about to hire a lawyer to sue them on the basis of our freedom of--you know, the right, freedom of information. You know? It was ridiculous. Ms. Waters. Well, you are absolutely correct. If it has been rescinded, and it's not been requested now, that will certainly cause me not to pursue an investigation in this matter. If it's one thing I can't stand, it is gross unfairness. I just will not tolerate that. Mr. Bakewell. Well, the fact that they did it, though, the fact that they did it. They don't do it--you asked the question, how was that in relationship to the--they probably asked, asked for added value for all of the media. That's sort of common in the industry. But to mandate and to say that you are going to be penalized punitively and we are going to take your advertising, that is reflective of the attitude and the mentality that they have when it comes to dealing with the Black press and the Black media. Mr. Clay. And thank you for that. And Representative Waters, we will review the testimony. And if we see a discrepancy, we will turn it over to the investigative arm of this committee. Ms. Waters. Thank you so much. And in wrapping up, I just want to make sure that if you decide to move forward to ask for supplemental appropriation or more money, whether or not these people who are here testifying tonight will be supportive of that, would you support---- Mr. Bakewell. Absolutely. Ms. Waters [continuing]. Increased amount of money? Ms. Close. I would say something further about the Black press. Every city that we have gone to, and I will give you an example of Houston and New Orleans, where we have built ethnic media networks, it has been the Black media that have opened the door. They have been the gate openers. It isn't a question of Black media being told to run these--this material. The whole mindset is screwed up. The--it's a top-down mindset shaped by mainstream media advertising ideas. Mainstream media is melted down. It barely exists anymore. And now you have ethnic media that's growing because people can't do without it. They have the audience, and they are totally dedicated to this. But they are being ignored. They are not being asked what they would do to effectively message out. IW group is probably doing the best job of trying to get input from local Asian media about what would work in their communities, but they've been largely restricted, as Karen said, to national advertising. What we have to do, given the very limited time we have left, is bring our media and trust them to be the messengers and to help shape the messages, and not just leave it to a top- down construct that has shown itself. They are not even here. Why didn't they stay? If I was getting $300 million, I would damned well stay for this hearing. Mr. Bakewell. Mr. Chairman, I know the hour is late, but it really is important to ask the question, why won't they follow our recommendations? The Black newspapers, as an example, as well as Black radio, we couldn't exist in communities where we don't have the host, the heart and souls of the communities supporting us. I mean, the fact that we would have tried and trusted organs in the community and we recommend to them that they buy it, I have had this conversation with Congresswoman Jackson Lee. We recommended Doris's paper, and they didn't take it. Eventually, after we badgered and we went back and we went back and had her call and I had conversations, the same is true with Congressman Clay. Why would that happen? How can you be committed to counting 40 million African Americans and come out with a program in 16 markets in America? It absolutely, I mean, befuddles the imagination. Ms. Waters. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the time. Mr. Clay. Thank you so much, Representative Waters. Representative Jackson Lee. Ms. Jackson Lee. I can't thank the chairman enough for his leadership and vision on this issue. And, Mr. Chairman, I would like to have the Members who are here--I don't want to speak for them, but I know that if they are not on the committee, if we could have our staffs added to your e-mail list so that we can be aware, at your courtesy and invitation, to come to these upcoming hearings that I know that you are going to have. Mr. Clay. You certainly will be notified, invited, and most welcomed to attend. Ms. Jackson Lee. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I am going to ask for an investigation. And since we are in this committee, I am going to make it official. And that will be up to you and your staff to assess. Because I made the point on the record that the Census contracts were rendered in the previous administration in 2007, there's an instructive point that I would like to make. I know timing is everything. But I would prefer contracts not being made by lame duck administrations, No. 1. But No. 2, because these contracts then disburse the $300 million, so, in essence, I cannot go to Director Groves and ask for an accounting, then I would like to have an investigation as to the utilization of the $300 million. And I think Congresswoman Waters asked it, but I would like it to be in the form of an investigation; how were those dollars used? And. The previous panel, a witness said he believes that the cow is out of the barn. I don't know that. I am confused. Do I have $300 million left or a portion thereof? Do I have to have a supplemental, or can I go back in and reconfigure the buys? I don't know that. I am not a media buy person. I happen to think that you do have the opportunity to reconfigure some of the buys or some of the prioritizations. For example, I believe that the genius of the people sitting before us is stellar. I believe that Vince Young in Houston, TX, that won the Rose Bowl could be on an advertisement in the local papers and got more young people running to be in the Census than I can have any national star-- no disrespect to them or actor or whoever it is that is going to charge me a thousand dollars an hour. I think the local restaurant person that the Black newspaper or the Latino newspaper or the Asian newspaper or the Native American newspaper could put in or the chief in the tribe. Mr. Clay. Representative Jackson Lee, not to cut you off, but we will give you a full accounting of those $300 million. And Representative Cuellar has brought up some very valid issues about the expenditures being made, and so have you. Ms. Jackson Lee. And I did not let you answer, so let me just say that I am asking for an investigation, and the chairman has said that you will do some. So sorry. So I do believe, and then the reason why I am going on, on that point, is because if we look at whether there's production costs and the production cost is 90 percent, then I would say to Mr. Winston, I know you could get people interviewed on your stations that would have people running to be registered, to be part of the Census, as opposed to some production media that comes and you have to play. So let me ask this question, Mr. Bakewell. You are saying you have how many, 200? Mr. Bakewell. 200 Black publicists. Right. Ms. Jackson Lee. Mr. Chairman, can I put Mr. Bakewell's January 13, 2010--it may already be in--ask unanimous consent to put in the record? [The information referred to follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.331 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.332 Mr. Clay. Without objection. Ms. Jackson Lee. To Mr. Coleman? And then his January 15, 2010 letter to Ms. Ennis, I believe. [The information referred to follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.333 Mr. Clay. Without objection, so ordered. Ms. Jackson Lee. Thank you. I have a document here that indicates a list of local Black newspapers, and they go up to 152, and you said there were 200. Is this something that you say has been fixed? Or what is this that I am looking at? Mr. Bakewell. I don't know what you are looking at. As far as we know, that all of our newspapers, in spite of the fact that we recommended all of them, they are not on the buy. We have some that was just put on the buy today. And one of the things that you have to be mindful of is that when you get put on the buy, what does that mean? What they have done is that, instead of all of the newspapers running advertising consistently, like we recommended that you start in January, you take a full page ad out and you run that every week consistently messaging, making sure that you have the right kind of layout. They ran--first of all, it didn't start in January. It didn't start until February, and it started for-- they gave some newspapers a 6 week run or a 4 week run, one full-page ad, one half-page ad, two quarter-page ads, and then you stop. Ms. Jackson Lee. Mr. Bakewell, I want to get on the record now. How many do you think, to your knowledge, is getting ads of your membership of 200? Mr. Bakewell. Our membership of 200, I don't think we're past 125. Ms. Jackson Lee. OK. I don't know where this came from. That's why this is part of the--they list 152. So you are saying that is inaccurate, to your knowledge? Mr. Bakewell. To my knowledge, we have not been confirmed that those are all our newspapers. There may be some papers that they are selecting who are not members---- Ms. Waters. Would the gentleman yield for a minute? Congresswoman, I don't know what this represents, but there's one lame newspaper that's listed 18 times in 18 different cities. Mr. Bakewell. Yes. That's Rollout. Yes. Ms. Waters. I want to tell you, something is wrong here. And so this really does have to be looked at because, you know, it's just so unusual. It is not something that most of us are aware of. And most of us are aware of the African American newspaper population all over the country. So when she says that's 152, and 18 of them are some newspaper that is supposed to be in 18 cities, that really has to be critiqued and looked at. Mr. Clay. We will have--the committee will ask for a full accounting of the buy for 18 for the rolling out publication. Ms. Close. If there were any way to also include the Afro- Caribbean media, like the Ethiopian. One of the--the DraftFCB person mentioned Somali. But to our knowledge, the Somali media of Indianapolis and the Ethiopian media, but even more worrisome, why would San Bernardino, Riverside, the poorest and fastest-growing region in our State, left out both Spanish Language Radio and San Bernardino Sun? That is one of the oldest Black newspapers in the State. Mr. Bakewell. I know this is not my area, and it is Winston's area, but I will tell you one of the things that I went over today just in terms of talking about how--because we are all focusing on, how do we get this done? We are really not trying to find reasons not to do this. We are trying to consolidate to say, how do we make this a success? In terms of Black radio, they are--they have told them to go into the markets and go into the top 20 markets and take the top two rated stations for those markets. Those are probably Black programmed but not Black-owned stations. That does not mean that the Black-owned stations are not reaching both with depth and reach the community. But they are just not focused on us in a way that is representative and realistic. Mr. Clay. Representative Jackson Lee, if you would conclude your questioning. Ms. Jackson Lee. My staff has informed me that this list that I'm holding in my hand, the 152, came from the Census, U.S. Census. And maybe we can explore this. Mr. Chairman, I am going to ask unanimous consent to add this to the record. It is not labeled. It says List of Local Black Newspapers Receiving 2010 Census Advertisement. So maybe we can have a review of what this is, because it is in conflict with Mr. Bakewell. [The information referred to follows:] [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.334 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.335 [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] T1800.336 Mr. Clay. Without objection. Ms. Jackson Lee. I want to move very quickly to Mr. Winston just to followup--and thank you--to followup on this question or this point that Mr. Bakewell has made. And I was going to have that very point. It would be helpful if you could submit from your perspective or your list to this committee what stations you know to be getting, out of your organization, to be getting advertisement. You say you have how many stations, Mr. Winston? Mr. Winston. There's 245 radio stations. Ms. Jackson Lee. I'm sorry. Mr. Winston. 245 radio stations, 13 television stations. Ms. Jackson Lee. Do you have knowledge that the 245 and the 13 are getting advertisement? Mr. Winston. I know that many of them are not. I do not have an exact count. But I have had a number of stations contact me saying that they were--that they either have not heard from the Census Bureau at all, or they have been promised advertising that has never arrived. And I have seen, in my testimony, I mentioned exactly what Mr. Bakewell was talking about a minute ago about they're targeting stations based upon Arbitron ratings. So they are taking the Black targeted stations, which may have nothing to do with Black ownership and have no connections with the Black community. Ms. Jackson Lee. Then I would ask you if you would do your own research, maybe you all have the resources. But you've got 245 and 13 television. Mr. Winston. Right. Ms. Jackson Lee. I'd appreciate it if you could give us that report. Second, I would ask, for example, to note whether or not-- and I use these only as examples, so I don't want the other universities to raise up their voices, but I use them as examples. WHUR, I am wondering whether they considered university-based stations. KTSU, Texas Sun University. I say that to say that's an odd component of our communities. Do they know that is, however, a very important part of our communities? And they're PBS, some of them, of course. But the point is they reach a population that we want to be counted. Would you check that for me, please? Mr. Winston. Sure. And WHUR is actually a commercial station. It is one of the NNPA member stations. So I will be happy to look into that as well. And I hope that you will also ask the Census Bureau for their record on what they say is the Black target stations and the Black-owned stations that they claim to have reached. Ms. Jackson Lee. And that's a very good point. I will just close, Mr. Chairman, by saying, Ms. Close, you have been very articulate. I just want this question to ask. Do you believe that it would be more effective to utilize local personalities and local focus and local content that would actually pierce and penetrate the neighborhoods throughout America that listen to localized programming and media? Mr. Bakewell. Mr. Bakewell. Absolutely. Ms. Jackson Lee. Mr. Winston. Mr. Winston. Absolutely. Ms. Jackson Lee. Ms. Close. Ms. Close. Absolutely. Ms. Jackson Lee. I yield back. Mr. Clay. Thank you so much, Ms. Jackson Lee. And thank you for your participating in the hearing. Let me close out by asking one question to each of you, and I will start with Ms. Close. Discuss for us, after seeing the initial photos and the ads, discuss for us the importance of specialized ethnic media outlets and motivating the hard-to- count population, and speak to the necessity of recognizing cultural sensitivities in crafting a message. And you can bet that they are monitoring these hearings. So I want to hear it from you, someone that's in the field. Ms. Close. When I was in Hoopa, which is 7\1/2\ hour drive from San Francisco, a very isolated part of the State, the bumper stickers on the cars said ``Think you can trust government? Ask an Indian.'' The people who run the Two Rivers Tribune--and I mentioned the Indian only now because we haven't really heard from the American Indian. The Two Rivers Tribune publisher said that most of the advertising to reach American Indians was going into billboards, and that most people in their community don't really go on the freeways. And, in any case, the Redwood Highway doesn't have billboards. And then they showed me those ads, the teepee ads. And they say they were too offended to run them. So we said, well, if we give you $2,000, will you come up with our your own? And this is what is so ridiculous, to imply that Black media need to be told what to run and what to editorialize. These media are chomping at the bit to develop their own messaging. And then they came up with that wonderful: If you want to save your water rights, be counted. Yes. Mr. Clay. Let me also ask Mr. Winston, how do past Census buys compare with the current effort in terms of your membership participating in media buy? Is it the same experience or different? Mr. Winston. I was told that, in actual dollars, the dollars that have come down so far this year are lower than the 2000 census. And obviously, you have 10 years of inflation to add into those lower dollars. So it is significantly less in terms of what's happened. And I don't know if that's in part, as I said, there are people who have been promised dollars they haven't even seen yet. So I think part of it is failure of execution and also a question of the limited budget. Mr. Clay. Mr. Bakewell, the same question. How does that compare with 2000? Mr. Bakewell. I don't know specifically because I was not in this position as Chair of the NNPA. But I can tell you, many of the members have said to me that last time they got more money and the buys were more consistent. And that's what we have been fighting for, as you well know. Ms. Jackson Lee. The contract was purchased under another-- not purchased, but structured under another administration that we had a lot of input at that time. I remember--I don't know, Congresswoman, if you may yield, Mr. Chairman. I don't remember, Congresswoman Maxine Waters, but I think we had come together and really had an impact before they went out with the structure that they used. Even though we had undercounts, I remember specifically having outreach through congressional offices that made--much more that made a difference. Thank you for yielding. Mr. Bakewell. Congresswoman Waters, you asked a question, and I am not sure this is the specific answer, but I think it is. You asked the guy who was heading up, who was the head of the agency who got all the money, the $300-some million about RFPs. I think what he was sort of being very delicate about is that they put together a team, and the RFP that they are talking about was that he submitted the master agency and RFP for that one contract. All of those individual 12 agencies that he had did not submit an RFP to him. He selected them, and the RFP which he was telling you about was the one RFP that they submitted to the Census. So you were right on point and on track in terms of, there was a preselection of the people that he decided he wanted to have on his team. Mr. Clay. Let me close out this hearing and first thank all of the participants in this hearing. I believe it was exhaustive. I believe it was eye-opening. And I thank you for understanding the timeframe that we conducted this hearing in. Ms. Close, I am sorry about you missing your plane and sorry about you all being inconvenienced in this way. It was really unavoidable. Interesting issues have been raised this evening. This subcommittee will followup and share what we find with the participants of this committee--of this hearing, the whole issue of ethnic media, the entire issue of media bias, and we will move forward accordingly. And so let me thank you all. Mr. Bakewell. I really have to thank you. We really want to go on record as thanking you for the leadership. This is a most vital and important hearing. And, again, your leadership and your vision for knowing and making this an imperative hearing has been extraordinary to, I believe, ultimately trying to get to the bottom and getting a successful 2010 census count. Mr. Clay. Thank you, Mr. Bakewell. Mr. Winston. I join in Mr. Bakewell's comments. Mr. Clay. Thank you, Mr. Winston. 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